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Ashleyaircraftfan 22nd Oct 2012 19:26

Cobham????? I know that not to far away from there is a EQD which was run by the Ministry of Avation before it came MOD Aquila. Is this the same place as I'm sure there must of been a detachment there :confused:

billynospares I also seem to remember that there were trials in Singapore aswell.:8

EDIT: Mod Aquila is different place to what I previous expected it was.

chevvron 22nd Oct 2012 22:53

The Cobham one was off Fairmile; I saw a map of Cobham once with 'RAE' in small letters at the north east end of this road. (Something to do with 'Cobham Armour'?). I'm also remembering a MOD(PE) place at West Byfleet but I'm not sure if this was RAE; could have been something to do with MVEE (Military Vehicles Evaluation Establishment) at Longcross.

VX275 23rd Oct 2012 06:58


there was an out station of Boscombe Down in Libya
That would be Idris.
I've also taken part in A&AEE trials in Karup in Denmark, Yuma and El Centro in Arizona and Brunei. Never having been on Rotary icing work I've missed out on the long trips to Canada and Norway. As for ranges in the UK I've also used Studland Bay and Porthkerris on the Lizard.

Pilotage 23rd Oct 2012 09:00

NGTE Pyestock became RAE Pyestock.

Malvern wasn't either RAE or A&AEE that I recall. I think it was RSRE - Royal Signals and Radar Establishment?

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Ashleyaircraftfan 23rd Oct 2012 10:33


That would be Idris.
I've also taken part in A&AEE trials in Karup in Denmark, Yuma and El Centro in Arizona and Brunei. Never having been on Rotary icing work I've missed out on the long trips to Canada and Norway. As for ranges in the UK I've also used Studland Bay and Porthkerris on the Lizard.
Also there were trials in Ottawa with the icing rig there.I also seem to remember as well trials over Greenland with XS235 comet.



The Cobham one was off Fairmile; I saw a map of Cobham once with 'RAE' in
small letters at the north east end of this road. (Something to do with 'Cobham
Armour'?). I'm also remembering a MOD(PE) place at West Byfleet but I'm not sure
if this was RAE; could have been something to do with MVEE (Military Vehicles
Evaluation Establishment) at Longcross.
MVEE is basically next(attached) to EQD and Im sure RAE members would of been there calibrating or testing aeronautical equipment to distrcution.
Also back to Cobham it might of been Wisely airfeild (after a little searching) as according to the net it was used for testing vickers aircraft and did have VOR and DME .

billynospares 23rd Oct 2012 14:04

There have been trials all over the world from Boscombe over the years and luckily I have been involved in quite a few. We used to regularly take the Comet to Greenland on the Aries polar trials flights. Thule airbase and the Top of the World club for cold beers and hot wings

Ashleyaircraftfan 23rd Oct 2012 14:33

It must of taken a few hours :p , How did they transport the equipment across e.g. Rotary trails.I persume C-130 or am I completely wrong????

chevvron 23rd Oct 2012 15:43

Wisley was a contractors airfield mostly used for production flight testing of civil aircraft (although the Valiant was tested there) after final assembly and first flight from nearby Brooklands and was nothing to do with RAE.
The VOR/DME was a later addition to provide a 4th stack for Heathrow although I dare say Vickers had their own 'private' letdown using it although it wasn't needed as they had a fantastically powerful radar.

billynospares 23rd Oct 2012 19:16

It was a few happy hours. The comet was pretty quick and comfortable though. Most rotary trials abroad the equipment goes out by ship. The herc trials carry their own kit

Ashleyaircraftfan 23rd Oct 2012 19:48

The comet is now at Bruntingthorpe airfield.I think they taxi it's around the airfield (or did) during there open day , it's such a long runway I think they can afford to do that.:)

I persume with the comet you were doing radar or nav trails with it could be wrong of course.;)

Chevvron well it was a wild guess, just assumed as the establishments used Vickers aircraft quite often.

chevvron 24th Oct 2012 01:31

The Farnborough Comet XV814 was used for nav trials. I did one trip on it lasting 4.5 hours routing Farnborough - Alconbury - Ullapool - Alconbury - Ullapool - Alconbury - Farnborough. They were assessing several different types of nav systems including an Inertial Navigation System (INS) using laser gyrosopes.

Note: Why the hell does the system keep converting 'a' to '@' whenever I type 'laser'?

Earlonics 24th Oct 2012 10:03

RAE,RAE, DRA,DERA,
 
I started at RAE Bedford Royal Aircraft Establishment Bedford, fantastic 2 sites Airfield and tunnels. The Sign writter was always at the main gate Changing the Logo etc, Royal Aircraft Establishment was the best, I wonder how much all those changes cost the organisation um! Tax payer.:confused:

bvcu 24th Oct 2012 14:13

Trials support from boscombe was Hastings, which were replaced by the Brittania until sold in the early eighties. Comet XS235 was Nav and radio division trials aircraft. i recall the aerial fit for what was i think the first aircraft in europe at the time with sat comms . The nav kit onboard was to such an accuracy that equipment for new types was installes alongside and flown for accuracy calibration. i recall the kit for tornado being fitted and flown onboard in late seventies. had a few nice trips on it around uk.

VX275 24th Oct 2012 15:40

A&AEE also used their Beverley for Trials support. I have a photo of one of Boscombe's, Harvards, with its outer wings off and inside the Bev on its way to Idris to be used as the photo chase aircraft. A role that the remaining Harvard has to the present day!

Ashleyaircraftfan 24th Oct 2012 17:53


Farnborough - Alconbury - Ullapool - Alconbury - Ullapool - Alconbury - Farnborough.
Did you use the USAF base at Alconbury?? wasn't just for the Aquarius Club :hmm:

Earlonics they often change the names in government making things sound better when they don't at all. :(

I saw the Harvard at 2011 RIAT with its lovely QQ logo on :ugh:

billynospares 24th Oct 2012 19:16

I have a few photos from over the years. No idea how to put them on here though

Ashleyaircraftfan 24th Oct 2012 21:46


billynospares: I have a few photos from over the years. No idea how to put them on here though
It would be great to see some pictures I have some to scan in from various books. I think you press the button to the left of the quote button it has a picture of a mountain and sun.Also I think you will need to upload them to photobucket so you can get a a URL.PM me might be better because I don't know how strict on here they are about going Off-topic.

chevvron 25th Oct 2012 13:07

Re 35; no we didn't land at Alconbury (or Ullapool!) that was the route we flew.

Ashleyaircraftfan 25th Oct 2012 18:25

Oops misunderstood your last post:) Does anyone know much about any of the calibration & pressure trails at Farnborough.

chevvron 25th Oct 2012 18:39

Do you mean Met Research Flight? They were only a lodger unit ie not part of the RAE Experimental Flying Department due to Farnborough being the closest MOD airfield to the Central Forecasting Office at Bracknell (now moved to Exeter), and although the aircrew 'mixed' they were regular Lyneham crews rather than specialist aircrew who had been through ETPS or similar.
Another 'lodger' was IAM (Institute of Aviation Medicine) Flight which normally had two pilots, both qualified as doctors and both qualified jet instructors. A third was added shortly before they moved to Boscombe; he was a qualified test pilot not a doctor and before he was allocated to IAM Flight he was an EFD pilot on fast jet types with whom I had the pleasure of a Hunter flight one day.


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