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123jobsearcher123 17th Dec 2008 11:03

Menzies Looses Ground Handling At Manchester And Eastmindlands For Thomas Cook
 
Hello their just though i would tell everyone menzies currently have just lost there contract to ground handle thomas cook at manchester and are in talks trying to save it at ema many reduncies are expected

captainspeaking 17th Dec 2008 12:27

... which is obviously bad news for the ground handlers concerned, but of little interest to aircrew.

morton 17th Dec 2008 12:35

...unless you are waiting for a Tug, the jetty to come on or indefinitely delayed after the baggage loader harpoons your aircraft! All courtesy of the cheapest bidder.

VICKERS VC10 17th Dec 2008 14:10

Do you know who won the contract?

Out Of Trim 17th Dec 2008 15:21

So what came loose?

Oh, you meant lose as in lost! Why didn't you say so. :confused:

123jobsearcher123 18th Dec 2008 07:15

Lol yeah sorry i did mean lose!!!!!! More than likely that Servisair have got the contract at east midlands aswell then.

PakMan 18th Dec 2008 16:12

any more news on this?

merlinxx 19th Dec 2008 05:05

123
 
I hope your CV is not like your post, spelling and grammar are important:ugh:

JennyB 19th Dec 2008 06:38

They are, but in a service industry not being an anal obsessive with a penchant for "smilies" far more important don't you think?

DidIdothat 19th Dec 2008 07:50

G-STAW.

I would certainly like to meet the Manager that says "I don't want to re-new these two major contracts"

G-STAW you are living in cloud Cuckoo land and maybe we could shake hands sometime. i would be very interested in meeting you.

merlinxx 19th Dec 2008 09:00

Ooohh dear JennyB, I guess my 44 years does not count then ? As they say "been there, seen it, done it and got the honey cart T-shirt". Have fun.

PakMan 19th Dec 2008 13:22

anyway...back to the contract...so have servisair got it?

happy at last 20th Dec 2008 16:21

Jenny B

You cracked me up! very well said indeed!

Maybe 44 years of experience makes some people forget where they started from!

5552N0426W 20th Dec 2008 16:48

Captainspeaking

I do hope that in the future your attitude to all the ground staff that turn your aircraft round in all weathers with all the pressures of tight turnrounds will change. We are an integral part of your job and while you are in your cosy flight deck the guys and girls outside are are ensuring that you depart as safely and quickly as possible. It may not be of consequence to you that someone on the ground loses their job but without them you can't do yours. I assume that you have been in your position for some time but your comment -"of little interest to aircrew" seems a little harsh.

I know that all aircrew don't share your views but it's a cut-throat business out there and we all do our best for everyone given the limitations placed upon us.


Keep safe

:ok:

merlinxx 20th Dec 2008 18:35

He he HAL
 
Maybe had you approached me for a job some 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago, you'd not have got one ! One looks for knowledge, experience, adaptability, and above all enthusiasm. Would you care to come and learn how to use a REAL HONEY CART
in DNKN or DNMM after an inbound HAJJ ?

Thought not :E

But it is tax free ! Sorry too happy to get into wind-up mode:ok:

ATCE54321 21st Dec 2008 09:39

Servisair
 
What i don't think many people understand is that Servisair are the "big guns" in ground handling, I'm not saying they are the best in anyway.

What you have to understand is Servisair have been around from Day 1 and pick and choose when they want to win or loose contracts, thats the way they work and have worked form day 1.

RoyHudd 21st Dec 2008 10:04

Pity about Menzies. They were good at MAN and EMA, and didn't deserve to lose the contract. Probably jumped-up or stressed-up TCX managers tempted by immediate cost-savings offered by the competition. Which means pilots cabin crew and ground-handlers have to struggle again. Plus passengers. Merry Xmas.

PS Forget captainspeaking...wind-up merchant

boeingbus2002 21st Dec 2008 10:48


I would certainly like to meet the Manager that says "I don't want to re-new these two major contracts"
This has happened at LHR! SAS gave notice to several airlines saying that financially it was unviable for them to handle a few of their big carriers. As people have said airlines are demanding more and more at a much lower cost. It gets to the point where handling agents would be loss-making if no other action was taken.

PakMan 21st Dec 2008 16:34

so when do Servisair officially take-over?

G-STAW 21st Dec 2008 20:08

march at the latest


I'm not saying they are the best in anyway.


maybe, swissport are also a good outfit here at MAN, great operation they have.

i think flight support have won the jet2 contract.

G-STAW

The96er 21st Dec 2008 20:51

Was kinda' hoping that Aviance would win the Jet2 contract !! oh well, still just BA (what's left of it ) and SN Brussels for us.
With Menzies losing Jet2 and TommyCook, will they maintain operations at MAN ????


the96er

Little Blue 21st Dec 2008 21:46

What a shame that Menzies at EMA have lost the contract....I remember just how much hard work went into winning it and maintaining it.....
Bring back Maz !!! ;)

G-STAW 21st Dec 2008 22:18


Was kinda' hoping that Aviance would win the Jet2 contract !! oh well, still just BA (what's left of it ) and SN Brussels for us.
With Menzies losing Jet2 and TommyCook, will they maintain operations at MAN ????
menzies are being booted off the airport for some reason,hence contracts going elsewhere.

G-STAW

DidIdothat 22nd Dec 2008 06:56

G-STAW

you are a very diss-respectful person.

No contract will be thrown away just re-negotiated if possible, every customer is precious and should not be under-rated or diss-respected.

You also underestimate my knowledge of MAN operations and I am sure that BM does not or would not wish you to spout your rantings on this forum.

Runcorn is not that far away.


"can you tell im going to work or swissport.ha"

I may not enter into debate very often G-STAW but I do and have always been an avid reader of all post on this forum. Maybe you can you can remember the above highlighted statement that you used in one of your rants.

ringwaysgoneforever 22nd Dec 2008 11:22

To put the record straight, Menzies are not getting "booted off the Airport" as G-STAW suggests.

Menzies have terminated the contract with Thomas Cook and Servisair will commence handling on 1st Feb 2009, and they will still maintain operations at Manchester, handling Easyjet, Tui, BmiBaby, AA, Air southwest, Aer Lingus and Jet2.com, which has not gone to Aviance or Flight Support!

Rampmole 22nd Dec 2008 12:29

are there expected to be any job losses at menzies man then? feel for the lads who bust a gut all summer for the tcx contract if they are gonna be shown the door now.

cheshireskies 22nd Dec 2008 13:37

Menzies WILL remain in operation at Manchester as we still have several good contracts here. Losing TCX will ultimately lead to redundancies but we will not be "booted off the airport".

EasyJet will be huge at Manchester next summer and will comfortably give us enough to do and Jet2 have not gone elsewhere thank you very much.

tigger2k8 22nd Dec 2008 13:52

so im confused, did menzies termiante the contract or did they lose it? if so, what was their reasons? not enough resources or not profitable?

ringwaysgoneforever 22nd Dec 2008 14:00

Menzies have terminated the contract with Thomas Cook

Not that comfusing really!! but I will say it again ....Menzies have told Thomas Cook that they will not be handling them after 31st Jan 2009. therefore Menzies did not lose the contract!!!!!!!!:ugh:

Aparently it was a non profitable contract.

G-STAW 22nd Dec 2008 14:26


G-STAW

you are a very diss-respectful person.

No contract will be thrown away just re-negotiated if possible, every customer is precious and should not be under-rated or diss-respected.

You also underestimate my knowledge of MAN operations and I am sure that BM does not or would not wish you to spout your rantings on this forum.

Runcorn is not that far away.
ok, for one, im not dis-respectful.

secondly, i was mearly telling you what i knew, and how servisair works, its very different to how you believe it to be.....



"can you tell im going to work or swissport.ha"

joke


To put the record straight, Menzies are not getting "booted off the Airport" as G-STAW suggests.
i acknowledge that was a stupid way of putting it, but thats th info we have at our end, take what you will.




Menzies have terminated the contract with Thomas Cook

Not that comfusing really!! but I will say it again ....Menzies have told Thomas Cook that they will not be handling them after 31st Jan 2009. therefore Menzies did not lose the contract!!!!!!!!:ugh:

Aparently it was a non profitable contract.

whats you source?cas' im not buying that at all im afraid, They where getting too many GL's and TCX was getting rather annoyed.


time will tell....


G-STAW

ringwaysgoneforever 22nd Dec 2008 15:03

G-STAW and where do you get your info from? too many GL's????? have a look at the OTP and that will prove you totally wrong...

All you need to do is ask TCX and then you will buy it my friend!

Yes Menzies struggled in the first couple of months just like Servisair will, however the last four months stats are extremely good, last months OTP 99.2%.....need I say more?

Not bad for handling an Airline that has a large amount of its flights running off schedule.

Good luck with the 753's on a ski-ski turn in an hour with 400 bags off , 400 bags on :D

tigger2k8 22nd Dec 2008 15:10

ringwaysgoneforever, it was confusing when the original poster created a thread stating that menzies had lost the contract lol..

99.2% OTP is an amazingly good rate, good work by all the staff there



happy at last 22nd Dec 2008 15:12

Merlin xxx,

Empty vessels make too much noise.

Just like i thought, you posted buckets full of crap, ONCE MORE!

Your posts are a reflection of your background and your personality,Its high time you show us some of your so called (44 years) experience (If you have any) by answering relevantly to questions and sharing professional views,rather than posting your smart a###, two pence remarks.
A 10000000 years of experience means nothing if you haven't any maturity to match your expertise.
Professionals don't take pleaure in boasting about what their worth, it just shows through their actions and WORDS.

Am sure you will have something silly to say in reply to this, so just save it!.... and talk to the hand.

herbie963 22nd Dec 2008 16:38

As someone who has had his life completely turned around just 9 months ago after TCX effectively torpedoed SAS&Ringway at MAN I feel very sorry for those of you who will be looking for work in the current climate, but i'm afraid i will allow myself a little rye smile also.

G-STAW 22nd Dec 2008 17:17



G-STAW and where do you get your info from? too many GL's????? have a look at the OTP and that will prove you totally wrong...

sorry i didnt make myself clear. ive been told TCX was keeping summer 08's performance in mind, which they dont want a repeat of.

ringwaysgoneforever 22nd Dec 2008 17:35

Well let me make myself clear, whether it be summer 08 or winter 08 it makes no difference as for the last time i will say it was Menzies that pulled the plug not TCX!:ugh:

If I were you I would review where you get your information from.

herbie963 23rd Dec 2008 13:29

If it was indeed Menzies that pulled the plug it would prove how completely incompetent that company is at running their own business, go in a million 5 under the current contract holders and then start moaning that for some reason your not making money! Congrats on Servisair, who while often being a pain to work for at least they do what they say on the tin.

G-STAW 23rd Dec 2008 15:10

it got annouced to the staff today that servisair have won the TCX contract starting 1/02/09.

servisair have a TUPE agreement in place with menzies, meaning that servisair will transfer a number of mezies staff as a direct result of the TCX contract.



hectic times ahead!!

G-STAW

Rampmole 23rd Dec 2008 15:41

Why not??? There are a hell of a lot of good experienced guys at menzies and without the TUPE in place some of these guys would be down the road. Surely the servisair lads would be happier seeing these guys come in than dealin with the stress of 90 day temporary pass holders who aint got a clue how everythin operates out there. Would have thought this would be a good time for one and all to stick together. Merry Xmas.

bruppy 24th Dec 2008 09:55

Menzies Going?
 
Phone call this morning from a pal in MAN saying that Menzies have issued a 90 day notice to thier customers? Rumour or Fact?? :suspect:


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