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Old 27th December 2014 | 13:45
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Overflight without Permit

How far from the Coastline of a Country would you plan an overflight when you donīt have an overflightpermit?
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You are planning a flight through the GOOO FIR and donīt have an overflight permit. Would you plan it through the GOOO "Dometsic "FIR" or would you route this flight through the GOOO Oceanic FIR?
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Old 28th December 2014 | 06:17
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what does the coastline have to do with this ? Inside an FIR means you need a permit (if the country rules state that - some don't)....
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Old 28th December 2014 | 16:32
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According to ICAO Air Law, a states territory extends to 12 miles from the coast, outside that are high seas and come under international law. Therefore whenever you are inside the 12 mile limit or within the FIR boundary then you are over the territory of the state and they are responsible for the safety and security of the aircraft. Also you must abide by the laws of the state.


The laws of freedom allow overflight, however, these need to be approved either as a scheduled service or individual permission for non-scheduled services.
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Old 6th January 2015 | 08:18
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There are two GOOO FIR's. One that making up the landmasses of Gambia, Senegal, Cote D'Ivoire, Mauritania, Guinea-Bissau and part of Mali. You'll need an overfly permit for each within this FIR based on the route structure.

A Senegal overfly permit is only needed for flight within the Oceanic GOOO FIR.

Mali - Overfly required for landmass

Gambia - Overfly required for all flights over landmass and up to and including 20nm from the coast. Permits aren't required for flight on airways UG853 and UA602.

G-B - Overfly required for flights over landmass and water on airway UG853

Mauritania - Overfly required for flights over landmass and water up to and including 50nm off the coast.

Cote D'Ivoire - Overfly required for flights over landmass and water up to and including 50nm off the coast.
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Old 6th January 2015 | 09:44
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Thank you for the detailed answer.
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