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Molesworth Hold,
You are to a great extent correct with your assertions. Apart from a very few exceptions, I rate the majority of my colleagues as lazy and incompetent. When I was a newly promoted Sgt I was posted to an environment with 4 other SNCO OSMs (as we were then), I was apalled at the dreadful trade knowledge and the apathy to implement any form of discipline, but to be fair to some of them, the job is not challenging by any stretch of the imagination which does result in the shutting down of some primary systems. However I do grate at the propensity to generalisation by the officer corps that assumes we are all stupid, when clearly we are not.
In the defence to some SNCOs, it has to be pointed out that there are large numbers of officers who's leadership, personality and general ability are equally poor.
For my part, I hate the fact that I am regarded as some form of ATC failure when I am here by choice. My desire, as a fresh faced 18 year old, was to work in an aircraft operations environment. Remember, up until the the advent of Flt Ops the only entry into military aircraft operations was through the non commissioned AATC route. FYI I am more than academically qualified for commissioning but what was on the table for me at the time (20 Years ago) was singularly uninspiring, Admin, Supply, ATC, FC. I had no interest in controlling (ATC or FC) and as for the other two! But yet I am considered a biff by my ATC colleagues for being an FOM.
I have no doubt that a commission would be my next step, but Flt Ops is still not dynamic enough to make me want to concentrate for, and notwithstanding the enthusiasm of some of them, the job bears a remarkable resemblence to a commissioned chimpanzee, merely undertaking a miriad of silly little jobs that the aircrew would rather not do anymore. Furthermore I am yet to be convinced that a commission is indeed the right thing for me, for when I have engaged Commissioned officers in conversation and solicited for advice, the only inspiration they can offer is the better pay, living conditions, status within the service and enhanced pension. Nothing is mentioned of greater job satisfaction, welfare of subordinates, making a greater contribution to the organisation, etc. I could go on but I am sure you get the picture.
I still intend to apply for a commission, I am lucky, I work on a FJ Sqn and the pilots are real gents who care, and because of this I am reminded that all is not bad. After my current deployment I have a P2 brief to attend then after that the ball is in my court. However I am acutely aware that my current frame of mind suggests that I am not committed enough, not from apathy more from dissilusionment.
You are to a great extent correct with your assertions. Apart from a very few exceptions, I rate the majority of my colleagues as lazy and incompetent. When I was a newly promoted Sgt I was posted to an environment with 4 other SNCO OSMs (as we were then), I was apalled at the dreadful trade knowledge and the apathy to implement any form of discipline, but to be fair to some of them, the job is not challenging by any stretch of the imagination which does result in the shutting down of some primary systems. However I do grate at the propensity to generalisation by the officer corps that assumes we are all stupid, when clearly we are not.
In the defence to some SNCOs, it has to be pointed out that there are large numbers of officers who's leadership, personality and general ability are equally poor.
For my part, I hate the fact that I am regarded as some form of ATC failure when I am here by choice. My desire, as a fresh faced 18 year old, was to work in an aircraft operations environment. Remember, up until the the advent of Flt Ops the only entry into military aircraft operations was through the non commissioned AATC route. FYI I am more than academically qualified for commissioning but what was on the table for me at the time (20 Years ago) was singularly uninspiring, Admin, Supply, ATC, FC. I had no interest in controlling (ATC or FC) and as for the other two! But yet I am considered a biff by my ATC colleagues for being an FOM.
I have no doubt that a commission would be my next step, but Flt Ops is still not dynamic enough to make me want to concentrate for, and notwithstanding the enthusiasm of some of them, the job bears a remarkable resemblence to a commissioned chimpanzee, merely undertaking a miriad of silly little jobs that the aircrew would rather not do anymore. Furthermore I am yet to be convinced that a commission is indeed the right thing for me, for when I have engaged Commissioned officers in conversation and solicited for advice, the only inspiration they can offer is the better pay, living conditions, status within the service and enhanced pension. Nothing is mentioned of greater job satisfaction, welfare of subordinates, making a greater contribution to the organisation, etc. I could go on but I am sure you get the picture.
I still intend to apply for a commission, I am lucky, I work on a FJ Sqn and the pilots are real gents who care, and because of this I am reminded that all is not bad. After my current deployment I have a P2 brief to attend then after that the ball is in my court. However I am acutely aware that my current frame of mind suggests that I am not committed enough, not from apathy more from dissilusionment.
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apollo i worked wiv the bloke who got his sqn ldr after one tour and went to caoc 9. i believe hes at northolt now. he was a complete ********* his nick name was smithers! personally i think the flight ops branch should be branch comissions only or failed aircrew, but a lot of the flt ops who are failed aircrew have big attitude problems, perhaps the course at shawbury should have a more military feel, you know early morning parades and drill. might make some of them remember what the f stands for in raf. end of soapbox rant!
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I remember this bloke to. Firstly when he was an air tragicer, i say no more and more recently on one of the frequent dets to the Middle East. He was apparently doing the SLOPS job at Thumrait or Seeb, think it was the former. However ive seen a more organised and helpful outfit in some of the deepest, darkest crevices of the former eastern bloc countries.
Never actually figured out what he actually did?! But Smithers you say..............Could well believe that, i bet he even put the Wg Cdr to bed.
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Never actually figured out what he actually did?! But Smithers you say..............Could well believe that, i bet he even put the Wg Cdr to bed.
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Good news for me, shame about the rest of those in my branch. I've managed to get the post out here dis-established which makes sense with future plans in the pipeline for reducing it to what it once was, or more probable, moving it due to Gulf Airs plan to make Bahrain their Mid East hub which means it will be Very busy.
Quick one for Mil if he reads this, How was Maple Flag? I'll be back in the UK 28 July and around the unit for a couple of days before embarking on a mammoth Post Op Deployment Leave.
See you soon dude!
PS: I'm nearly resembling a local in colour but personally i think its more of a dark olive tan!!!
Quick one for Mil if he reads this, How was Maple Flag? I'll be back in the UK 28 July and around the unit for a couple of days before embarking on a mammoth Post Op Deployment Leave.
See you soon dude!
PS: I'm nearly resembling a local in colour but personally i think its more of a dark olive tan!!!
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i remember an engineer at goose who got himself disestablished and made himself very unpopular. it goes like this, bloke gets to goose on 1 year unaccompanied tour, manages to get it changed to a 3 year accompanied tour. a couple of months after wife gets there the establishment team arrive. bloke manages to get disestablished, but manages to stay at goose for rest of tour. not only that but cos hes disestablished he wangles on to all the nellis and other dets that goose supports, as he says "ive got no job at goose!!!" yes this bloke was v popular at goose.
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Hey DD how's it hangin'?
Maple Flag was a bore, long days with menial and trivial activity to keeps us occupied.
Good to see that you have managed to lighten the OOA load, at least that will mean fewer people getting shafted. I'm still waiting to find out where I'm due to go in the new year. When you get back drop in for a brew and fill me in on the RAAF.
Maple Flag was a bore, long days with menial and trivial activity to keeps us occupied.
Good to see that you have managed to lighten the OOA load, at least that will mean fewer people getting shafted. I'm still waiting to find out where I'm due to go in the new year. When you get back drop in for a brew and fill me in on the RAAF.
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Attention all RAF Trade Group 9 Personnel. Have learnt that the present Det Cdr out in this wonderful part of the world is looking at supplementing / replacing your positions with those useless scopey type assistance from Trade Group 12.
This has already been pushed up to J1 Level at the relevent HQ and ive tried to tip those off who it will directly effect. We all know that this is occuring because the aforementioned is a Fighter Controller and wants to see his Trade Group have a good OOA, don't think they'd send them to Kabul, Bagram, Pristina though would they!!!
This has already been pushed up to J1 Level at the relevent HQ and ive tried to tip those off who it will directly effect. We all know that this is occuring because the aforementioned is a Fighter Controller and wants to see his Trade Group have a good OOA, don't think they'd send them to Kabul, Bagram, Pristina though would they!!!
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Hey DD, what the heck is going on out there?
Drop me a line on the company computer with some details and I'll speak words to our trade sponsor. TG12 Personnel are NOT Operations Personnel, merely radar moniters for the UK air defence network. If this is some chimp trying to reawakwen the old festering sore between scopies and Ops/ATC then standby!
I would be amazed if the TG9 Trade sponsor will allow this to slip through the net, however if he is unaware he could find himself the victim of a dun deal because all the leg work was completed clandestinely.
Speak to you later Dude.
Drop me a line on the company computer with some details and I'll speak words to our trade sponsor. TG12 Personnel are NOT Operations Personnel, merely radar moniters for the UK air defence network. If this is some chimp trying to reawakwen the old festering sore between scopies and Ops/ATC then standby!
I would be amazed if the TG9 Trade sponsor will allow this to slip through the net, however if he is unaware he could find himself the victim of a dun deal because all the leg work was completed clandestinely.
Speak to you later Dude.
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Hey, why not just fill the post with an adminner and then see how well things run ?
"I'm sorry sir, you haven't got the authority to give away that fuel"
"You'll have to come back on Monday after the SAMA database save"
"Saturday ? sorry, we're closed"
"Unfortunately the guy you spoke to last week was wrong and you can't claim it this week"
Oh, halcyon days........
"I'm sorry sir, you haven't got the authority to give away that fuel"
"You'll have to come back on Monday after the SAMA database save"
"Saturday ? sorry, we're closed"
"Unfortunately the guy you spoke to last week was wrong and you can't claim it this week"
Oh, halcyon days........
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ive had dealings with scopies over the years. in fact we had them in the ops room at leuchars for a few years. as has been said they arent suitable for employment in ops rooms, the lads we had were nice enough but i didnt have confidence in them. i actually got a bollocking one day cos i sent one of them home, he was sent down to work in flt planning, i was trying to train a new girl up at the time so i sent him home! our ops 1 at the time was a fighter controller and empire builder, he and i didnt see eye to eye. as a final point what happened to the plan to merge the trades?
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Canberra,
The TG9/TG12 merge idea didn't get off the ground for reasons various, but mainly for the dissimilar duties and differing pay scales. This gimp in Bahrain is merely empire building, as scopies tend to do, a lot! Now that the AD threat to UK airspace is considerably less than it once was they, as a group of people, are keen to ensure their future and if that means usurping other peoples established roles then so be it. This fellow has one problem to his argument and that is he isn't pushing to include all the less savoury OOA Dets in his mandate.
The TG9/TG12 merge idea didn't get off the ground for reasons various, but mainly for the dissimilar duties and differing pay scales. This gimp in Bahrain is merely empire building, as scopies tend to do, a lot! Now that the AD threat to UK airspace is considerably less than it once was they, as a group of people, are keen to ensure their future and if that means usurping other peoples established roles then so be it. This fellow has one problem to his argument and that is he isn't pushing to include all the less savoury OOA Dets in his mandate.
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After my highly good tip off all sorts of fighting has gone on back in the UK. However, the said person out here is looking at pushing it above the heads of the deskies to definitely get a scope dope position out here. Mil if you have read this ill call you on friday assuming the 'war' you are fighting at home has been won. Oh well Only a short period of time left now, ill swing by your gaff on 25 July.
