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FWZ not a bad at all.
It will make the bean counters quite happy as it can run circles around old school systems like Jepp, SITA, Navtech, Sabre... Its route optimization engine is built around total trip cost management, not 1970s MTTA. The system savings and efficiency gains pay for itself.
For the users once you get over the concept that the best way between point A and point B might not neccesarily be minimum distance, fuel burn, or time it has a bunch of neat features such as timed auto calculations, map overlay including vertical profile views, driftdown escape routes, and ability to interface with host of 3rd party systems (including platforms from competing vendors like LH Systems and Sabre).
For back office upkeep as I recall they had different levels of support one can purchase. Either one can be rather hands off and let their data support folks manage most of your stuff, or you do it yourself.
For the install I guess its dependent on the size of the project at hand -- how large of an operator, how much complicated interfaces need to be developed and how many customized changes one desires. Take the system off the shelf and install should easily be <12mos.
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It will make the bean counters quite happy as it can run circles around old school systems like Jepp, SITA, Navtech, Sabre... Its route optimization engine is built around total trip cost management, not 1970s MTTA. The system savings and efficiency gains pay for itself.
For the users once you get over the concept that the best way between point A and point B might not neccesarily be minimum distance, fuel burn, or time it has a bunch of neat features such as timed auto calculations, map overlay including vertical profile views, driftdown escape routes, and ability to interface with host of 3rd party systems (including platforms from competing vendors like LH Systems and Sabre).
For back office upkeep as I recall they had different levels of support one can purchase. Either one can be rather hands off and let their data support folks manage most of your stuff, or you do it yourself.
For the install I guess its dependent on the size of the project at hand -- how large of an operator, how much complicated interfaces need to be developed and how many customized changes one desires. Take the system off the shelf and install should easily be <12mos.
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Not convinced.
Yet to hear of a successful, on time, on budget & on scope implementation of flywize.
Not really impressed by the list of customers they have according to their website. That says to me the airlines who really know their stuff either find them out during evaluation or just don't believe the hype.
Not really impressed by the list of customers they have according to their website. That says to me the airlines who really know their stuff either find them out during evaluation or just don't believe the hype.
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To my knowledge Gulf Air and Jet2 'flywize' implementations were both achieved on time and within a short period from contract signature. It is all down to good management of the project. I know that some customers took much longer but that is equally true of other flight planning vendor transitions. Methinks that many of the problems that airlines experience in cutting over to a new flight planning system are of their own making.
If you know about the QANTAS/LIDO debacle then you will understand that anything is possible (or not).
If you know about the QANTAS/LIDO debacle then you will understand that anything is possible (or not).
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I am sorry to read that you do not think that airlines like United and Virgin Atlantic 'really know their stuff', or do you work for a rival flight planning vendor?
I do not work for a flight planning vendor BTW but do come into contact with the ops guys at many airlines in the course of my work.
I am sorry to read that you do not think that airlines like United and Virgin Atlantic 'really know their stuff', or do you work for a rival flight planning vendor?
I do not work for a flight planning vendor BTW but do come into contact with the ops guys at many airlines in the course of my work.
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As I said, yet to hear / read positive feedback on implementations. I'm reserving judgement until I hear or read of a customer standing up and saying it all went smoothly and we got what we were promised.
There's a previous prune thread on Gulf Air's alleged issues
http://www.pprune.org/flight-ground-...en-vs-eag.html
and f:wz announce UAL as a customer in 2006 and even recently UAL were reporting d "numerous issues" with flywize rollout.
United Airlines Negotiations : Unions : PAFCA : Negotiations Updates : Negotiations Update 2009/08/14
I wish someone would come out and big up flywize, we all want to know this stuff.
There's a previous prune thread on Gulf Air's alleged issues
http://www.pprune.org/flight-ground-...en-vs-eag.html
and f:wz announce UAL as a customer in 2006 and even recently UAL were reporting d "numerous issues" with flywize rollout.
United Airlines Negotiations : Unions : PAFCA : Negotiations Updates : Negotiations Update 2009/08/14
I wish someone would come out and big up flywize, we all want to know this stuff.
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At the end of the day, anything with software related projects can and often does get delayed.
From my understanding the flywize issues at United, have been primarily related to UALs desire to do extreme development and customization of the flywize platform in an effort for it to take over other non flight planning functions that its current legacy systems perform. In otherwords, the UA flywize version looks and will function very different from its contemporary version at other airlines.
For an idea for project debacles look at Lido instead and its experience at place like Qantas following years development and millions of AUD sunk to have the plug pulled, or more recently at Frontier where after three abortive attempts to go live, the project now sits frozen!
From my understanding the flywize issues at United, have been primarily related to UALs desire to do extreme development and customization of the flywize platform in an effort for it to take over other non flight planning functions that its current legacy systems perform. In otherwords, the UA flywize version looks and will function very different from its contemporary version at other airlines.
For an idea for project debacles look at Lido instead and its experience at place like Qantas following years development and millions of AUD sunk to have the plug pulled, or more recently at Frontier where after three abortive attempts to go live, the project now sits frozen!
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Thankyou for your comment. I think that you will find AirData is as "serious" as any other system, and provides a good service to its customers. Maybe not run by hundreds of people in a big office, but professional and committed, just the same.
As someone said earlier, an FPS is a planning tool and, as such needs to be easy to use and flexible. Having lots of highly expensive bells and whistles is not always necessary. It depends on who you are and what you are trying to do.
All FP systems are constantly updated to meet the many changes in the industry - and it is how well they do that that is just as important as how "big" they are. You may also be interested to know that the FP suppliers do work together sometimes, to try and make sure that the various "authorities" don't lose sight of what their customers (the airlines) really want.
As someone said earlier, an FPS is a planning tool and, as such needs to be easy to use and flexible. Having lots of highly expensive bells and whistles is not always necessary. It depends on who you are and what you are trying to do.
All FP systems are constantly updated to meet the many changes in the industry - and it is how well they do that that is just as important as how "big" they are. You may also be interested to know that the FP suppliers do work together sometimes, to try and make sure that the various "authorities" don't lose sight of what their customers (the airlines) really want.
