deicer hits plane
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From: Arundel
Just to put all your minds at rest, the incident is under full investigation to determine the exact cause of the incident. The individual concerned is not going to be dismissed automatically. As someone rightly pointed out, this would promote a no reporting culture which must never happen. And lastly to the person who takes the word of dispatcher gossip. Come on.......you surly should know better!!!!
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From: HAMPSHIRE
Correction of speculation
People please note:
The Accident in question is under investigation that is still on going.
The Driver has not been dismissed he has had his license removed and is still on shift.
The aircraft had a temporary repair to fly back to Exeter.
Any accident is bad and normally avoidable but we in the aviation business should respect;
"THERE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE DONE IT, AND THOSE WHO ARE YET TO DO IT!
The Accident in question is under investigation that is still on going.
The Driver has not been dismissed he has had his license removed and is still on shift.
The aircraft had a temporary repair to fly back to Exeter.
Any accident is bad and normally avoidable but we in the aviation business should respect;
"THERE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE DONE IT, AND THOSE WHO ARE YET TO DO IT!
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From: United Kingdom
Rusty,
I quite agree, in fact spoke to the lad in question last nite to make sure he is alright. I can proudly say that despite what happened, on the day, one of my concerns was that the driver of the truck was ok. I think my closing gambit was "Not to worry, accidents happen, thats why we and Aviance are insured, at least nobody is injured"
And the aircraft should fly circa 13.00 today.
I quite agree, in fact spoke to the lad in question last nite to make sure he is alright. I can proudly say that despite what happened, on the day, one of my concerns was that the driver of the truck was ok. I think my closing gambit was "Not to worry, accidents happen, thats why we and Aviance are insured, at least nobody is injured"
And the aircraft should fly circa 13.00 today.
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From: Alloway
TO TRISTAR 500
As you may have never worked or been around a very busy airport with approx 25 overnighters and thru flights it will be easy for you to say training and not beening tired at 0330 after beening called in to do a extra shift as a flu bug has hit the line station is no excuse for not being on the ball every minute for 40 some years around A/C? give the guy a break huh!!!!!!
niknak
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From: UK
Originally Posted by HZ123
Perrin; A valid point but SOU on a busy night hardly ticks all those boxes. Accidents happen, lack of training, complacency and a could not care attitude are often at the root of these happenings.
Please explain your pompous presumption that anyone who doesnt work at one of the UKs major airports is totally incompetent, not trained properly and doesn't give a toss.
I was involved in ground ops in an earlier life at several different airports - big & small - and what I have experienced is the pressure to get five different jobs done at the same time, but very rarely have I come across complacency or incompetence.
As you say, accidents happen despite any amount of training, and I would have thought that if you are the proffessional you would like to think that you and others think you are, you would take a more constructive approach.
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From: Middlesesx
I concede NikNak as you say 'a long time ago'. In many of the handling companies today, indeed five tasks are the norm hence many of them do not get done properly, under pressure and result in accidents. Thats what we have insuarance for. You are correct I can comment and I see daily the unsatisfactory handling companies and their staff that are out there. Human nature plays a large part as we all cut corners adding to the problems. SOU staff please do not take offence but perhaps if one of them sees this they can comment on the expertise and training of Aviance, or whatever name they go by this week?
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From: On the beach
"De-icer hits plane"... obviously front-page news! Reminds me of "Dog bites man"...
Lots of people with a genuine interest in aviation-related news read this forum and to some of us information like this is very useful.
Snigs - good to see you back amongst the Sky Gods! Glad you won that duel we had
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From: on the edge
Do certain airports have a better record than others? Given HZ123 profile I would suggest he would know better than most. In general, everyone is under greater pressure with tighter t/rounds and schedules to meet.
ex-Tanker
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From: Luton Beds UK
Don't shoot the piano player
When do you need de-icing? When it is snowy.
When do feet slip on pedals? When it is snowy.
Hmm. Maybe it is time to have a look at footwear
issued and pedal surface - for starters.
FC.
When do feet slip on pedals? When it is snowy.
Hmm. Maybe it is time to have a look at footwear
issued and pedal surface - for starters.
FC.
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From: HAMPSHIRE
Training
Aviance have a training procedure based on the AEA Regulations edition 20.
It is always easy to blame training, experience or lack of was a factor and people who do not listen is another.
Yes SOU is a small airport but we still have to work to Company procedure/s as LHR/ LGW / LBA / STN etc.
Bigger airports do think of us as a ploughed field!
Ignorance is bliss!!
The aircraft in question was a Q400 G-JEDO and the vehicle was not a van? It was a FMC TEMPEST.
It is always easy to blame training, experience or lack of was a factor and people who do not listen is another.
Yes SOU is a small airport but we still have to work to Company procedure/s as LHR/ LGW / LBA / STN etc.
Bigger airports do think of us as a ploughed field!
Ignorance is bliss!!
The aircraft in question was a Q400 G-JEDO and the vehicle was not a van? It was a FMC TEMPEST.
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From: North of CDG
Biggles - ramp damage is a near-daily occurence at most UK/European major airports. Whatever the reasons (usually down to poor training and/or rushed procedures due to short turnaround times) I insist it's hardly worth mentioning - a bit like a national newspaper mentioning a car "ding" where the only damage was to the bodywork... big deal!
