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Chemtrails, what do you know?
No not contrails but Chemtrails. I have noticed as have many others in the last few years, that aircraft have been leaving trails behind that just don't dissipate like contrails. When Chemtrails do eventually disperse they cover the whole of the sky in a white gray hazyness. There is much more on this subject on google.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...e+Search&meta= The article below is meant to of been sent by an aircraft engineer. http://www.rbnlive.com/mechanic.html#email More discussion on Chemtrails can be found on The Forum which is linked below. If any of you aircraft engineers or other aircrew would care to join in and attempt to conclusively dismiss what many people perceive to be happening in the skies then please join in on the link below if you feel that your contributons may be monitored by your employers on this forum. http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/...ic.php?t=28756 Remember please don't shoot the messenger... |
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1053744/L/
If you look really, REALLY carefully, you can just about spot the "CHMTRL" button. If you're ever thinking about becoming a pilot, don't bother. Can't see you getting a Class 1,or, come to think of it, any kind of medical. Go to www.abovetopsecret.com and don't bother us with your c**p anymore. |
Originally Posted by G.Q.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1053744/L/
If you look really, REALLY carefully, you can just about spot the "CHMTRL" button. If you're ever thinking about becoming a pilot, don't bother. Can't see you getting a Class 1,or, come to think of it, any kind of medical. Go to www.abovetopsecret.com and don't bother us with your c**p anymore. Below is a quote by Aldous Huxley that you may wish to ponder when thinking about chemtrails and I suspect other attacks made on our DNA. 'And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be in the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people in fact will have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it as they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhance by pharmacological methods' When they come knocking at your door in the middle of the night, don't say that people didn't try to warn you about the struggle against tyranny taking place right under your nose. |
It is not the topic in question which is debated instead it is the messengers sanity or intelligence which is called into question? Generally the simple explanation is the easiest. If chemtrails really existed someone somewhere in the aviation world would know have to know about it. Given the grumbly, gossiping nature of we aviation folks, it would leak out. Chemtrails don't exist. Period. |
Originally Posted by Blacksheep
Something to do with UFOs, little green men and crop circles perhaps?
Generally the simple explanation is the easiest. If chemtrails really existed someone somewhere in the aviation world would know have to know about it. Given the grumbly, gossiping nature of we aviation folks, it would leak out. Chemtrails don't exist. Period. http://www.disclosureproject.org/ You can view a video of the disclosure projects conference here http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...closureproject More disclosure videos are to be found here http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=disclosureproject Little green men, I've never had the pleasure of little green men. Who's to say that they don't exist. They might not be a permanent physical reality in our dimension, that dosen't mean that they don't exist in any one of the other 11 dimensions, that it is now widely believed exist. Crop circles was some old guy with a plank of wood and some rope that made the early ones. Then other people started to make them also to carry forward an agenda of encapsulating and discrediting any other dissenters of the false left right political paradigm which we inhabit. I believe crop circles to be a classic case of disinfo or counterintelpro but I could be wrong and I am willing to view evidence to the contry of my beliefs without resorting to personal attacks. Personal attacks are a classic sign of the conditioning that exists in the world. People are indoctrinated from a youg age to attack, belittle or humour anything that differs from the imposed reality that has been constructed for them. People are given their views and opinions by the media and educational institutions and do all that they can to support these beliefs. If any part of the illusion that is their reality is called into question. It is so unnerving to them that they do all that they can to defend the very thing that has given them their opinions on the world. As otherwise they are not sure what, if anything that they have been raised to believe to be the truth and real, is in actual fact really lies told to them to make them enjoy without question their servitude. None are more enslaved than those who think that they're free |
oh for gods sake somebody make the suffering stop.
Alternatively, you could hit the SEARCH button above and do a search on chemtrail, thus learning the perceived viewpoint of the folks around here. Unwilingness to rehash the same old bollocks is not a personal attack, its just boredom. CPB |
Originally Posted by Capt Pit Bull
oh for gods sake somebody make the suffering stop.
Alternatively, you could hit the SEARCH button above and do a search on chemtrail, thus learning the perceived viewpoint of the folks around here. Unwilingness to rehash the same old bollocks is not a personal attack, its just boredom. CPB After all the title of the post is clear for all to see. So you don't even have to open the topic up if you find the subject matter of no interest to you. Does that make sense? Quite simple really I would of thought to not open and then post a reply to a subject that just don't interest you. If you want to make the 'suffering' as you put it stop. The power to do that lies in your hands. You may not believe that you have any power, and I would not blame you for this. Considering the way that we are promoted as powerless beings by the elites of the World. But you do have the ability to not respond it is called discernment. But, however I shall give you the benefit of the doubt until I see evidence to the contry of this opinion. Chemtrails don't exist period is a well balanced and supported statement on this forum? :ugh: |
Chemtrails DO exist.
However, not for the reason that most loonies think. Contrails contain greenhouse gasses (so they are chemtrails) and damage the environment, so that's an issue. Anyone with a theory beyond this probably has different issue with chemicals :} |
"But, however I shall give you the benefit of the doubt until I see evidence to the contry of this opinion."
It is CONTRARY surely, no?:rolleyes: Or is it CONTRAIRY? bUGGER ME HE^S GOT ME AT IT NOW.:ugh: |
Stop being a pedant. So my spelling is not perfect. Why not focus on Chemtrails instead of my spelling mistakes. Is there a reason for your inability to focus on the subject of Chemtrails? Do you not understand the question that I first asked or do you simply wish to try and extract a disscussion from me on a side issue that is of no relevence to the topic I have asked about.
If that is the case then this is the classic technique used by those who wish to take attention away from a subject that they either have no knowledge of, or they do not want talked about in general for some reason. If it is either of these possibilities then please do yourself a favour use some discernment and find another avenue to be a pedant in as I don't wish to be caught up in some strawman debates about UFO's; little green men; and crop circles ad infinitum. |
i've worked on some really big planes, some smaller planes, and flown some small ones.
i've NEVER cleaned a chemtrail tank out, nor filled one up. actually, i've never seen one. come to think of it though, what about those guys in the low, smelly trucks that scurry about the apron - you know, the ones with blue stains on their protective gear? THEY put stuff into the planes that no-one is allowed to see. i bet it's THEM. they work for the gummint i bet. i'll ask the next one that i see, and report back. edit: just read the 'e-mail' from the 'engineer' what a load of bollox. hands up all those who have ever crawled inside a waste 'bay'? for someone who seems to have reasonable unsupervised access to and authority to fix a large pax jet, he sure seems to have only a very basic idea of terminology. i KNEW it was the waste guys! |
shattered paradigm, the reason people on here are being so pedant, is that the notion of chemtrails is rubbish, and basically, we're all having a laugh at your expense.
unlike you (it would appear), we all are involved in aviation in some way, and has already been said, it would not be possible for secrets such as you are suggesting, to be kept so. i bet you don't see any aircraft engineers or commercial pilots at your weekly conspiracy meetings. or maybe they are there, but they are dressed up as *normal* people.....you'll never know. |
Originally Posted by nzmarty
shattered paradigm, the reason people on here are being so pedant, is that the notion of chemtrails is rubbish, and basically, we're all having a laugh at your expense.
unlike you (it would appear), we all are involved in aviation in some way, and has already been said, it would not be possible for secrets such as you are suggesting, to be kept so. i bet you don't see any aircraft engineers or commercial pilots at your weekly conspiracy meetings. or maybe they are there, but they are dressed up as *normal* people.....you'll never know. |
normal is the condition of being believing in, and conformist to, the elites indoctrination system of control. The free thinkers of the world are not tied to the safety of the elites enforced reality. Breakthroughs in all spheres are more likely to be found in the pursuit of the unknown than the safety of the known world as presented by them.After all I do put forward that if the Wright brothers listened to the dissenters from their world, then the reality of powered flight would not of existed for them...
Other chemical issues, for sure :} So let me appeal to your suurealistic side. How do we know that the reality of flight is a reality? It may just be a horrible narco induced mass hypnotic illusion. Which means that the Chemtrailers don't actually fly.... ... it must be in the water supply, I knew that they were adding more than flouride. |
just how does that mantra'd response add weight to your notion? you asked for qualified opinion, and you got it.
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oh come on, you're not seriously believing that chemtrail crap, aren't you?!?
why not start using your god given intelligence (if available...) and roughly calculate how much mass of the chemicals you would need to produce any significant chemical trail that is visible from the ground, over a peroid of a few hours. Then go and look up the mass figures of the popular commercial aircrafts and you might even be able to answer the question by yourself... Why do people believe everything they read on the internet, i really don't get it... |
It is such fun winding up stupid conspiracy theorists!
But if they only knew...... |
I was reminded of a very good point by someone. That the planes doing the majority, if not all of the spraying, are not from commercial airlines. So you probably just wouldn't know about what they are getting upto in their black painted unmarked aircraft.
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So whan "they" were watching the mech on the internet, they may have found you researching too and you led them to all of us, so we're all doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by shattered paradigm
I was reminded of a very good point by someone. That the planes doing the majority, if not all of the spraying, are not from commercial airlines. So you probably just wouldn't know about what they are getting upto in their black painted unmarked aircraft.
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Most of the pictures of alleged spraying aircraft found on the Chemwierdos sites are of airliners ... with readily identifiable airline liveries. So much for secret black spraying aircraft then.
I think the guys doing it over London during the Battle of Britain were extremely brave ... imagine chemtrailing whilst Messerschmitts, Heinkels, Hurricanes, and Spitfires were all weaving, ducking, and diving with hot lead being fired everywhere. Impressive chemical laying though :ok: http://www.churchill-society-london..../StPauls2.JPEG Still, we got them back ... when we sent the B17s of the Mighty Eighth to 'chemtrail' them in to surrender :cool: http://www.im3dstore.com/images/b17/zoom_b.jpg http://home.att.net/~ww2aircraft/B-17formation.JPG http://www.b17sam.com/formation6.jpg |
I'm not talking about contrails. The chemtrails stay for ages after the planes have vanished from site. They don't dissipate, they linger on hanging around for ages and then they start to spread out into a very thin blanket coverage of the sky.
For those of you that think I am barking mad, stop for a while and think who is it and why is it that you hold the views and opinions of the world and of me that you do. Could it be that you have been conditioned to give a subconsciously pre programmed response to anything that deviates from the societal norms and values that you have been socialised with from a young age. Just consider if the very system that indoctrinated you does not have your best interests at heart, would it supply you with the truth good and bad what ever the consequencys was to be, or would it attempt to create a version of reality for you to inhabit that would best serve its purposes? How best would you be awakened from the dream? http://www.hermes-press.com/life_awakening.htm |
Plenty types of met phenomena can cause that. Temperature inversions, mountain waves, etc, etc, etc. Suggest you have a look at met data collection programmes such as SONEX or POLINAT carried out by NASA or the DLR where aircraft take samples from the atmosphere and analyse the chemicals within them. Oh hang on ... they're part of the conspiracy probably ;)
Show us pictures of these chem sprayers so we can debunk the chemwierdos argument or are they so secret that ordinary cameras can't pick them up ?? (Actually we lied .... there is a switch in the cockpit :ok: there was a photo which appeared on this site once coupled with the aircraft flight manual details :p ) |
Originally Posted by shattered paradigm
For those of you that think I am barking mad, stop for a while and think who is it and why is it that you hold the views and opinions of the world and of me that you do. Could it be that you have been conditioned to give a subconsciously pre programmed response to anything that deviates from the societal norms and values that you have been socialised with from a young age.
I think you really need to get a life - or at least someone in it ;) |
Shatered, you may want to ask your chemtrail overlords to confirm this bit of science, but here goes;
Planes fly by using combustion (either piston engines or jet turbines, not sure about warp drives so you may have to check with your over lords on this too). But these combustion type engines take a hydrocarbon fuel and oxygen, combust it and make CO2, water and energy. Now alot of water in the sky clings together and forms something we like to call clouds. Naturaly they are big wide and fluffy. The water comming out of an engine going 350 mph on the other hand will look thin. If there is nothing else up there these water molecules are happy enough to stick around with their mates. And unless turbulance comes to make them move on, the will stay there for a very long time. This is what people that like to wear aluminium hats like to call chemtrails. So if it is a conspiracy, then you had better blame your over lords for bringing fire and teaching combustion to us poor ape creatures in the first place. Cheers and happy spotting |
And to think that only yesterday I was saying I hadn't heard a cuckoo yet this year. But now..... :rolleyes:
I would say that the existence of little green men is more likely than that of a Chemtrails conspiracy (not that I personally believe in either). Governments just don't need to go to the huge expense of chemtrails to apply stuff to the masses in order to dumb them down. We've got fast food restaurants and modern television doing that. Anyone want fries with theirs? :rolleyes: |
Enough is enough...
Hi guys,
I have spent the last while perusing through some of the websites that the 'believers' frequent. Most, if not all are conspircy websites run by deluded unfortunates who are in the habit of questioning everything from what is really in your cornflakes to the current topical issue. Not one of these people, who by the way are prefectly entitled to their opinion, are willing to accept any argument from many of the professionals who have taken their time to shed some light on the perceived 'chemical spraying' of the population. As we all know, the professionals who have given their thoughts are from all walks of aviation life, be it military or civil aviation. Until I see a convincing argument, backed by irrefutable evidence of same, I for one, am going to piss myself with the arguments that these conspiracy theorists put forward (We'll be waiting a while). I hope you will to, Good Day! |
Yessssss, get in!:D
It's been years since we had a good go at the 'Trailers!!!! Come on, everyone over to www.carnicom.com and http://p211.ezboard.com/bchemtrails Laugh a minute!!!! |
Hey Gonze, open your window mate.......
Hear that sound, that's me laughing at this thread!!! Mr Shattered, I suggest you do a search for the number of times this lunacy has been brought up! (This thread here is my favorite, as well as the warning from M'am FlapsForty half way down the page) The search function is your friend........and will save you from ridicule |
Hilarious!!
First post I read was enough to have me rolling on the floor, partuclarly where it got to the bit about "we are fans of David Ike" ahaha hahahaha hahahaha!!! |
Hey, who wants to see how psychic I am??
*I see a thread..........being moved to Jet Blast.............* |
Grouse, yep, I read that too!
Not sure about you, but I'll sign up to Chemtrail UK!!!! :O Jer, I heard you from here! All 3193 miles! |
It’s the first time I've ever heard of this chemtrail phenomena - and I have to say I've never heard anything so ridiculous in all my life (perhaps the Wolves getting promoted back to the Premiership was up there). :ugh:
Still, its cheered me up on what has been an otherwise crap day - so thanks SP! Keep your posts coming. :ok: |
easyPilot,
You're obviously one of the 'misinformers', here to spread lies and stories about how supposedly all those trailing aircraft up there are 'airliners'!!! Can't you see what is happening???? How do you sleep at night??????:E |
From one of the Chemtrailers' boards....
An Anonymous Email From An Airline Mechanic For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity. I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important. First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself. Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order". Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems. No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems. The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems. Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it. Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane. One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem. When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of aircraft. As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him. As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!" The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did. The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane. Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind. I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus. The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system. When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain. I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers. If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight. I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through the fake wicks. It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime. The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork. About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork. He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work. The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names. We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks. The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately. I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK. Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious" piping. The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are 'THEY'"! That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers. I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that talked about chemically-laced contrails. That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours." Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me. While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks. The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be filling the tanks of the spray system. They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing. God help us all. -- A concerned citizen We should be told!!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by Gonzo
So, if the waste trucks are not taking waste off the aircraft, but filling it with chemicals, where does the waste go?????
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[FONT=Century Gothic]So, if the waste trucks are not taking waste off the aircraft, but filling it with chemicals, where does the watse go?????
How about out to the false static wicks and down the spray nozzles? |
where does the waste go? (Typing with your elbows again Gonze?) |
Originally Posted by DesertM2005
But these combustion type engines take a hydrocarbon fuel and oxygen, combust it and make CO2, water and energy. Now alot of water in the sky clings together and forms something we like to call clouds. Naturaly they are big wide and fluffy. The water comming out of an engine going 350 mph on the other hand will look thin. If there is nothing else up there these water molecules are happy enough to stick around with their mates. And unless turbulance comes to make them move on, the will stay there for a very long time.
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Originally Posted by Gonzo
easyPilot,
How do you sleep at night??????:E |
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