All Engineers need to sign
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All Engineers need to sign
Guys just found this worthy e-petition on the goverments website to protect the term "Engineer".
https://submissions.epetitions.direc...petitions/6271
https://submissions.epetitions.direc...petitions/6271
Not signed as it would downgrade Licenced Aircraft Engineers to technicians.
This petition seems to be for degree qualified designers and manufacturers who feel they are being degraded by washing machine and fridge engineers (and LAEs too).
This petition seems to be for degree qualified designers and manufacturers who feel they are being degraded by washing machine and fridge engineers (and LAEs too).
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Not signed as it would downgrade Licenced Aircraft Engineers to technicians.
Engineers design stuff, we build and maintain the stuff.
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Tut Tut What would Joe Patroni say!
Simple google search.
en·gi·neer [en-juh-neer] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person trained and skilled in the design, construction, and use of engines or machines, or in any of various branches of engineering: a mechanical engineer; a civil engineer.
2.
a person who operates or is in charge of an engine.
3.
Also called locomotive engineer. Railroads. a person who operates or is in charge of a locomotive.
4.
a member of an army, navy, or air force specially trained in engineering work.
5.
a skillful manager: a political engineer.
I think I qualify as an LAE.
en·gi·neer [en-juh-neer] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person trained and skilled in the design, construction, and use of engines or machines, or in any of various branches of engineering: a mechanical engineer; a civil engineer.
2.
a person who operates or is in charge of an engine.
3.
Also called locomotive engineer. Railroads. a person who operates or is in charge of a locomotive.
4.
a member of an army, navy, or air force specially trained in engineering work.
5.
a skillful manager: a political engineer.
I think I qualify as an LAE.
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a person trained and skilled in the design, construction, and use of engines or machines, or in any of various branches of engineering: a mechanical engineer; a civil engineer.
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Here in the USA we are titled as "technitions". I would much prefer the title of Engineer, once you looze it it will be gone forever. We are actually classified as unskilled labour thanks to airlines before my time such as Eastern. Aircraft maintenance to them is what a car is to us, a liability not an asset. This cultural ideal is distructive and dangerous, they don't seem to understand the concept of you get what you pay for! The bean counters have no scale for quality = reliability, or are pressured not to venture into this issue as it would reveal a costly answer.
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UK CAA LAE is termed as Licensed Aircraft Engineer who is recognised by UK Government as an engineer (with professional qualifications) having the authority to countersign a new passport application. An engineering degree holder ( mechanical or civil ) has no such privilege.
UK LAE on BCAR day are real engineer who have to go thru 2 hrs ORAL EXAM with 1 to 2 surveyors with knowledge to sketch FCU and to explain its operation etc.
The early JAR day were slightly easier with one surveyor for oral.Then the later JAR deal away with oral exam.
Nowaday, EASA AMEL (Aircraft maintenance Engineer Licence) holder is watered down to almost equivalent to FAA with the freely issued FULL B1, B2 and C from others, mainly Easter EU.
May be we are now a mechanic, same as in the States.
UK LAE on BCAR day are real engineer who have to go thru 2 hrs ORAL EXAM with 1 to 2 surveyors with knowledge to sketch FCU and to explain its operation etc.
The early JAR day were slightly easier with one surveyor for oral.Then the later JAR deal away with oral exam.
Nowaday, EASA AMEL (Aircraft maintenance Engineer Licence) holder is watered down to almost equivalent to FAA with the freely issued FULL B1, B2 and C from others, mainly Easter EU.
May be we are now a mechanic, same as in the States.
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although Kuchan I agree with what your saying, I do realise that having a 2hr oral was very hard and it did seperate the men from the boys but....Todays B1/B2 exams are hard. I spent 2 years completing all 13 modules and I have to say that if thats easy, then your talents are wasted in maintenance... maybe NASA could do with someone like you!!!!
"UK LAE on BCAR day are real engineer" Im not sure, but do you not probably do what I do?......fix aircraft? or do companys now only let, in your terms, "real engineer" fix aircraft and leave us pretty B1's with B737ALL, A320, B757/B767 A330/A340 sit at the side and play stickle bricks!!!! hmmmmmmm............
"UK LAE on BCAR day are real engineer" Im not sure, but do you not probably do what I do?......fix aircraft? or do companys now only let, in your terms, "real engineer" fix aircraft and leave us pretty B1's with B737ALL, A320, B757/B767 A330/A340 sit at the side and play stickle bricks!!!! hmmmmmmm............
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To spend 2 yrs to pass all 13 modules and be proud of it is a joke.
I hold all your mentioned licences and more.
I spent 2 full years doing CAA A and C course just to get the Cessna licence.
I spent my time with 4 BCAR oral exams and was only B1 with limitations after converted to EASA.
I spent nearly 2 year self study after work without doing much overtime to get my basic pressurised airframe and engine licence.
I spent less than 6 months self study to pass all 5 modules incl. module 3,4 5 7 and 11 to remove my limitation.
I fix more aircraft than you ever turn round aircraft.
Look at jobsearch why Singapore/Malaysia are specified only UK CAA EASA AMEL need to apply,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
To spend 2 yrs to pass all 13 modules and be proud of it is a joke.
I hold all your mentioned licences and more.
I spent 2 full years doing CAA A and C course just to get the Cessna licence.
I spent my time with 4 BCAR oral exams and was only B1 with limitations after converted to EASA.
I spent nearly 2 year self study after work without doing much overtime to get my basic pressurised airframe and engine licence.
I spent less than 6 months self study to pass all 5 modules incl. module 3,4 5 7 and 11 to remove my limitation.
I fix more aircraft than you ever turn round aircraft.
Look at jobsearch why Singapore/Malaysia are specified only UK CAA EASA AMEL need to apply,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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For one minute I never doubt you have worked on more than me and that is not the issue.
And just because I took two years to do it, Im still proud to be an engineer and when I look through the list of examinations, I do not see, 'The one who completes it the quickest is gonna be right in every disscussion'.
Im sorry but with a reply like I would be embarrased to call your self a professional and I feel sorry for any new guy coming up through the ranks to have you as a supervisor! My background is to never knock anyone for their achievments. Just because your stuck in the 'well in my day', move on mate its 2011!!
And just because I took two years to do it, Im still proud to be an engineer and when I look through the list of examinations, I do not see, 'The one who completes it the quickest is gonna be right in every disscussion'.
Im sorry but with a reply like I would be embarrased to call your self a professional and I feel sorry for any new guy coming up through the ranks to have you as a supervisor! My background is to never knock anyone for their achievments. Just because your stuck in the 'well in my day', move on mate its 2011!!
I don't doubt that it's difficult to pass the EASA B1/2 initial licence but at least you can take it in bite-size chunks. 
It was a one-shot attempt with the BCAR Section L system- no credits for the subjects you did all right in. You'd have to take the whole examination again if you didn't get 70% (and don't forget the negative marking!).
Then, as said, an hour or two with the surveyor if you passed the writtens. I've been fortunate enough to pass everything I've taken so far.
Any licencing examination success is an real achievement though, no matter when taken.
It was a one-shot attempt with the BCAR Section L system- no credits for the subjects you did all right in. You'd have to take the whole examination again if you didn't get 70% (and don't forget the negative marking!).
Then, as said, an hour or two with the surveyor if you passed the writtens. I've been fortunate enough to pass everything I've taken so far.
Any licencing examination success is an real achievement though, no matter when taken.
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stevef, I have the upmost respect for the guys who completed and attempted the BCAR exams and Orals.
I admit that I would have struggled and to the guys who completed it had to know there stuff and was unable to blag there way into a licence.
So please, no one take this as my dig to any licence holder BCAR or B1/B2.
Just when I read people saying that the B1/B2 licence is watered down then I do take offence to that as I know from experience, and from my colleages how hard it is to complete and thanks to chunk sized courses it makes it less harder! {Kinda}.
Remember Kuchen, I learnt from the BCAR section L guys and I cant thank them enough for making me how and where I am today!
I admit that I would have struggled and to the guys who completed it had to know there stuff and was unable to blag there way into a licence.
So please, no one take this as my dig to any licence holder BCAR or B1/B2.
Just when I read people saying that the B1/B2 licence is watered down then I do take offence to that as I know from experience, and from my colleages how hard it is to complete and thanks to chunk sized courses it makes it less harder! {Kinda}.
Remember Kuchen, I learnt from the BCAR section L guys and I cant thank them enough for making me how and where I am today!
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My point is clear that the EASA AMEL is watered down by the influx of eastern European holder freely issuing AMEL regardless.
The contractor wages is fast coming down from 38 euro per hour to as low as 24 euro with job taken by Eastern EU holders. Most pays around 30 euro.
It is sad you are still dreaming and insulting as much.
The contractor wages is fast coming down from 38 euro per hour to as low as 24 euro with job taken by Eastern EU holders. Most pays around 30 euro.
It is sad you are still dreaming and insulting as much.
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For my two cents worth. I do not care what they call me, just pay me the big bucks.
I am licenced and still call myself a mech.
Think money not status.
I pay more in tax than most of the jobs in advertised in Flight International pay 'real engineers' and licenced engineers.
After all the talk has died down, the main need in my life is money, not status
I am licenced and still call myself a mech.
Think money not status.
I pay more in tax than most of the jobs in advertised in Flight International pay 'real engineers' and licenced engineers.
After all the talk has died down, the main need in my life is money, not status
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True,
I shake your hand Kuchan. No hard feelings.
Lets get as much money as possible from our licence! As a uk resident I want to see us brits getting Brits jobs and getting paid nicely for it.
mech, engineer, tech, spanner monkey flying spanner what ever we are called!
I shake your hand Kuchan. No hard feelings.
Lets get as much money as possible from our licence! As a uk resident I want to see us brits getting Brits jobs and getting paid nicely for it.
mech, engineer, tech, spanner monkey flying spanner what ever we are called!
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For my two cents worth. I do not care what they call me, just pay me the big bucks.
I am licenced and still call myself a mech.
Think money not status.
I am licenced and still call myself a mech.
Think money not status.
I've been a mechanic for over 30 years, motorbikes, cars, trucks, light aircraft and medium helicopters. Its all nuts and bolts only arranged differently.
Cheers
BH