How have low cost carriers affected engineers?
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How have low cost carriers affected engineers?
Hi all,
I'm interested in your views whether there has been in notable changes since low cost carriers have put a lot more commercial pressure on aviation in recent years. Are there any concerns you feel need to be raised -such as working conditions, outsourced maintenance, pressure for tighter turnrounds, quality issues etc.?
I'd be grateful for any input, and feel free to PM me in confidence if you dont want to discuss in public for any reason.
Thanks in advance
I'm interested in your views whether there has been in notable changes since low cost carriers have put a lot more commercial pressure on aviation in recent years. Are there any concerns you feel need to be raised -such as working conditions, outsourced maintenance, pressure for tighter turnrounds, quality issues etc.?
I'd be grateful for any input, and feel free to PM me in confidence if you dont want to discuss in public for any reason.
Thanks in advance
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To try and make any negative situations positive....... I cant do anything though if I dont get any feedback..... if all is good - great , but if it's not, now is the time to speak out and I'll do what I can to help....
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The perfect model low cost airline that has maintained pay/benefits would be SWA in the US, otherwise there are many variables. SWA has a large established structure, most modern low cost airlines are low pay and low benefit providers.
The legacy airlines have consolidated putting many people on the street, lowering lift and increasing pax load factors.
All in all your question could be asked more than 20 years ago in this country. I can not speak for the EU market.
The legacy airlines have consolidated putting many people on the street, lowering lift and increasing pax load factors.
All in all your question could be asked more than 20 years ago in this country. I can not speak for the EU market.
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To try and make any negative situations positive....... I cant do anything though if I dont get any feedback..... if all is good - great , but if it's not, now is the time to speak out and I'll do what I can to help....
To try and make any negative situations positive....... I cant do anything though if I dont get any feedback..... if all is good - great , but if it's not, now is the time to speak out and I'll do what I can to help....
Really?, just like you're going to improve the 'lot' of despatchers, from the ops forum, and you really can't tell anyone about the rumour you want confirmed regarding the Cork crash.
What will you do to help?
I've a very wide, (wider than most peoples) portfolio of experience across civil aviation, over a good number of years. You are the first person I have come across either on-line or in real life who claims to be able to provide 'assistance' on improving working conditions across two entirely different (yet connected) fields of aviation, just on the basis of a couple of interweb posts. In the years I've been in the industry I've come across an assortment of chancers, blaggers, and no-hopers in fields such as aircraft production, engineering product support, spares sales, airline operations, airfield operations, aviation environment (green issues), and air traffic control all of which I have worked in.
See here,
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ml#post6545175
AR is apparentlly going to sort out 'crew conditions in particular'. Note not the engineers first, (so no change there then
)http://www.pprune.org/flight-ground-...ml#post6549912
Here AR is going to 'raise the issues as and when he gets enough material to encourage some changes'
I know you were asked before, http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ml#post6545295 but what is your experience/cv to have sufficient industry prescence to raise these items to 'action'?. How are you able to specifically help across these three areas? Airline Operations/Engineering/Air Crew.
While we wait for an answer, perhaps 'we' should refresh our collective thoughts reading the red bit at the bottom of the page ...
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To try and make any negative situations positive....... I cant do anything though if I dont get any feedback..... if all is good - great , but if it's not, now is the time to speak out and I'll do what I can to help....
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Probably a journo.................. plenty of offense intended.
Happy to be stood corrected though if you can prove otherwise and answer the question on what qualifies YOU to be able to improve the average aircraft engineer's working conditions.
Happy to be stood corrected though if you can prove otherwise and answer the question on what qualifies YOU to be able to improve the average aircraft engineer's working conditions.
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I think you are all being a shade harsh on this splendid offer....clearly the OP is the salvation we have all waited for..........
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Dear Journo bloke or gal,
Here in the uk we have the ALAE, if you want to know the real truth on how the Licenced Aircraft Engineer is being undermined and undervalued across all airlines please speak to these guys. Why these guys are not sitting on more TU tables in airlines is beyond me.
Once upon a time an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer earned a salary equal to that of a GP and definitely a Pilot. The training was as intense and obviously the responsibilities attributed to that of the same importance. But hey anyone can do our job!
Operationally Engineering is seen as an huge pain to airlines, lets face it do you want to send your car into a garage for just a check etc??
I really enjoy my job and love working with aeroplanes, I have a long time until retirement and hope that my successors have the same opportunities that I have had.
Here in the uk we have the ALAE, if you want to know the real truth on how the Licenced Aircraft Engineer is being undermined and undervalued across all airlines please speak to these guys. Why these guys are not sitting on more TU tables in airlines is beyond me.
Once upon a time an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer earned a salary equal to that of a GP and definitely a Pilot. The training was as intense and obviously the responsibilities attributed to that of the same importance. But hey anyone can do our job!
Operationally Engineering is seen as an huge pain to airlines, lets face it do you want to send your car into a garage for just a check etc??
I really enjoy my job and love working with aeroplanes, I have a long time until retirement and hope that my successors have the same opportunities that I have had.
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Facts contributing to why we are underpaid.
We are viewed as a liability as opposed to an asset.
We are easily segregated, have too many different views in respect to uniting.
Many of us fold under the personal desire to move an aircraft (lots of grey area) on the line, this desire could also be explained as for the companies benefit, more likely personal advancement.
There are many levels different type's of employment in the field, we are not all Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineers or the Aircraft Maintenance Technician in the USA.
Having said that we should look at the pilot trade as our performance is not measured as easily, neither is our value. We have no benefit for saving the company money as pilot's can (single engine taxi, fuel savings bonus etc). We can drop a couple hundred thousand dollars in parts to attempt to correct an intermittent failure just doing our job, We are the bad Guy until the Airworthiness release is signed. But hey when we find that pushed back pin that is really the cause we receive no appreciation. We save the company money by being proactive in a reactive environment. Our brothers up front look out for the company by following SOP's (this is not how it has always been).
There is a great disparity between the Line tech and the Base maintenance folks, they really are 2 different jobs thus the disparity I spoke of above. Similar to the difference between a doctor in the ER/EMT/Fireman and a factory worker/plastic surgeon.
We all hold lives in our hands by our actions, we all hold safety critical careers.
Sorry for the thread drift.
We are viewed as a liability as opposed to an asset.
We are easily segregated, have too many different views in respect to uniting.
Many of us fold under the personal desire to move an aircraft (lots of grey area) on the line, this desire could also be explained as for the companies benefit, more likely personal advancement.
There are many levels different type's of employment in the field, we are not all Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineers or the Aircraft Maintenance Technician in the USA.
Having said that we should look at the pilot trade as our performance is not measured as easily, neither is our value. We have no benefit for saving the company money as pilot's can (single engine taxi, fuel savings bonus etc). We can drop a couple hundred thousand dollars in parts to attempt to correct an intermittent failure just doing our job, We are the bad Guy until the Airworthiness release is signed. But hey when we find that pushed back pin that is really the cause we receive no appreciation. We save the company money by being proactive in a reactive environment. Our brothers up front look out for the company by following SOP's (this is not how it has always been).
There is a great disparity between the Line tech and the Base maintenance folks, they really are 2 different jobs thus the disparity I spoke of above. Similar to the difference between a doctor in the ER/EMT/Fireman and a factory worker/plastic surgeon.
We all hold lives in our hands by our actions, we all hold safety critical careers.
Sorry for the thread drift.
