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[COLOR="Black"]i have given two modules of easa part 66 .Now ill be going to LRTT soon this year but sadly they dont offer OJT .What should i do?
i m still having some trouble understanding about the practical experience required for the license like i have to get 5 years of experience ,does it mean that i have to get PRACTICAL 5 years experience ? As LRTT is not offering any practical training experience so what should i do ? please i ll be glad if someone will guide me
i m still having some trouble understanding about the practical experience required for the license like i have to get 5 years of experience ,does it mean that i have to get PRACTICAL 5 years experience ? As LRTT is not offering any practical training experience so what should i do ? please i ll be glad if someone will guide me
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If you have gone through a 147 training establishment is the OJT reduced?? I am not sure but think a relative of mine has to do 6 months to get his..
I am not sure though
This is the UK CAA guide, sorry it is only in English
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/177/8355%20Section%20K_07.pdf
I am not sure though
This is the UK CAA guide, sorry it is only in English
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/177/8355%20Section%20K_07.pdf
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self starters need 5 years experience, if you do it through an approved 147 course, which is I believe a 2 or 3 year full time course then the experience requirement is reduced.
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The fully-approved EASA B1 course is a minimum of 2,400 hours and comprises 3 important elements, each of which must be offered as an integral element of the course to keep it as a fully-approved course.
There are the Module examinations and classroom work leading up to them, the Practical Training carried out in an approved Training Workshop with assessments sigend off by approved assessors, and the OJT which must be done in a Part 145 MRO and is structured, proper training under an instructor and assessor. All these elements must be provided by the same Part 147 school as part of the same course.
The outcome of an approved course is a Basic Training Certificate. What's needed now is a minimum of 2 years relevant work experience before a licence application will be considered.
For those who decide to work for their licences by another route, the Practical and OJT are replaced by a requirement for a minimum of 5 years relevant work experience, with records evidencing that they have acquired the necessary skills and experience to be considered for a licence once they have passed all the Module exams.
There are, of course, variations on the above; certtain kinds of prior experience can be counted toward the work experience, for example. But that is a broad outline of how it works.
What is not always understood is that a EASA B1 course without the OJT cannot be an approved course, no matter how long it lasts.
Finding "OJT" somewhere else is pointless; the course is still not approved and therefore the student still has to do the 5 years work experience.
That's my understanding, and I'm well prepared for someone to come in who knows more, to prove me wrong!
There are the Module examinations and classroom work leading up to them, the Practical Training carried out in an approved Training Workshop with assessments sigend off by approved assessors, and the OJT which must be done in a Part 145 MRO and is structured, proper training under an instructor and assessor. All these elements must be provided by the same Part 147 school as part of the same course.
The outcome of an approved course is a Basic Training Certificate. What's needed now is a minimum of 2 years relevant work experience before a licence application will be considered.
For those who decide to work for their licences by another route, the Practical and OJT are replaced by a requirement for a minimum of 5 years relevant work experience, with records evidencing that they have acquired the necessary skills and experience to be considered for a licence once they have passed all the Module exams.
There are, of course, variations on the above; certtain kinds of prior experience can be counted toward the work experience, for example. But that is a broad outline of how it works.
What is not always understood is that a EASA B1 course without the OJT cannot be an approved course, no matter how long it lasts.
Finding "OJT" somewhere else is pointless; the course is still not approved and therefore the student still has to do the 5 years work experience.
That's my understanding, and I'm well prepared for someone to come in who knows more, to prove me wrong!
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thanks alot for the great help!!
i have passed module 1 n 2 from a non-approved organisation and if i now shift to an approved 147 organisation then do i have to repeat the given modules or not?
what about the experience duration in this case? will it be 2 years for switching to an approved organisation?
i have passed module 1 n 2 from a non-approved organisation and if i now shift to an approved 147 organisation then do i have to repeat the given modules or not?
what about the experience duration in this case? will it be 2 years for switching to an approved organisation?
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....what about the experience duration in this case? will it be 2 years for switching to an approved organisation?
All other forms of Module training, ie short courses, zero-to-hero, home study etc, is "unapproved", even when it is provided by an approved organisation. What counts then is the examinations, which must be run by an organisation with the approval to do so.
So, to be clear, you must complete a fully-approved course with a Paert 147-approved school with the appropriate Approval (Cat A, B1 etc) if yoiu want toi reduce the work experience requirement to 2 years.
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warda_mk: Your situation is not at all unusual, many schools offering EASA Part 66 training cannot offer ‘hands-on’ practical work, as they lack the facilities and requirements for actual aircraft to be available. But don’t despair, contact the Air Transport Training College (ATTC) in Singapore, www.attc.edu.sg and I’m sure they can advise you. ATTC have extensive classroom facilities PLUS a fully functioning hangar at Seletar Airport with ‘live’ aircraft (i.e. not mock-ups or scrapped hulks) for the practical. ATTC is also a designated examination centre for EASA Part 66 modules.
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Hmmm....caution is needed!
That would only be true if the school is not EASA-approved. To get the approval a school must have Practical Training Facilities, which are also audited and approved. They must also have the ability to offer OJT.
The only approval mentioned on the ATTC website is a CAAS Part 147 approval. This is NOT an EASA approval, and a CAAS course certificate would not count towards an EASA licence. It's possible that ATTC has an EASA approval but doesn't mention it up front, or that Kingston University is the EASA-approved organisation that is providing the course and exmainations, as a fully-aproved EASA B1 course, under its EASA approval, as a second site.
But if that were the case I would have expected them to say so.
It is quite possible that you can take EASA-approved exams at ATTC, run by another (EASA-approved) organisation, or even the UK CAA. I don't know. But that does NOT necessarily mean that the course being offered by ATTC is EASA-approved, and unless it is you will have to complete 5 years work experience instead of 2 years, as well as passing all the Module exams.
A Foundation Degree without an EASA B1 Basic Training Certificate is a waste of time, regardless of who is awarding the degree, if you want to work as an EASA-licensed AME.
You need to be very careful to make sure that you know what you are paying for when you buy "Approved" training. Some institutions, in the UK and elsewhere, are economical with the facts.
many schools offering EASA Part 66 training cannot offer ‘hands-on’ practical work,
The only approval mentioned on the ATTC website is a CAAS Part 147 approval. This is NOT an EASA approval, and a CAAS course certificate would not count towards an EASA licence. It's possible that ATTC has an EASA approval but doesn't mention it up front, or that Kingston University is the EASA-approved organisation that is providing the course and exmainations, as a fully-aproved EASA B1 course, under its EASA approval, as a second site.
But if that were the case I would have expected them to say so.
It is quite possible that you can take EASA-approved exams at ATTC, run by another (EASA-approved) organisation, or even the UK CAA. I don't know. But that does NOT necessarily mean that the course being offered by ATTC is EASA-approved, and unless it is you will have to complete 5 years work experience instead of 2 years, as well as passing all the Module exams.
A Foundation Degree without an EASA B1 Basic Training Certificate is a waste of time, regardless of who is awarding the degree, if you want to work as an EASA-licensed AME.
You need to be very careful to make sure that you know what you are paying for when you buy "Approved" training. Some institutions, in the UK and elsewhere, are economical with the facts.
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thanks alot for the information!
can you tell me that VIRGIN ATLANTIC AIRWAYS ENGINEERING TRAINING is an 147 approved organisation or not ? they are also offering an apprenticeship .Will that count as experience?
As i have mentioned before that i have already given 2 modules from a non-approved organisation ,so now i have to repeat them if i go to an 147 approved organisation .
can you tell me that VIRGIN ATLANTIC AIRWAYS ENGINEERING TRAINING is an 147 approved organisation or not ? they are also offering an apprenticeship .Will that count as experience?
As i have mentioned before that i have already given 2 modules from a non-approved organisation ,so now i have to repeat them if i go to an 147 approved organisation .
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Virgin Atlantic Airways Engineering Training School at Crawley (Gatwick) is approved under part 147 for Basic Training for Cat A1, B1.1, and B2.
If you can land an apprenticeship with them you will not have to worry about work experience, whether or not you have to do any Modules again, or suchlike. You'll be set up for life.
If you can land an apprenticeship with them you will not have to worry about work experience, whether or not you have to do any Modules again, or suchlike. You'll be set up for life.
