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IT IS ALL BULL****. None of us have learned more in school than we have actually doing the job!
I have done one type course that was so good (and expensive) that I really felt I had been working the a/c for years when I walked out of the school.
I have to say though that the course had a huge amount of OJT. Nuff said.
I think we all owe DreamLand a pint for starting such an entertaining thread.
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I have to say that continual training on the odd occasion has been pleasurable. There is a POT Principles of Troubleshooting class I took about a decade ago that is common with many airlines, I had a good time and actually walked away feelin a bit smarter. We do gen fams /systems classes/ factory classes that run from a week to several months here on type aircraft. I have found that I generally get more out of the class if I have worked on type for atleast 6 mos first and that retention is about 10%, anything longer than 2 weeks is a waste.
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On the school thing people graduating from a tech school that achieve a Rating or whatever you want to call it, know and should know that an A&P license is a licence to learn, and in school one of the things I learned is the FARs, that's where all that part 65 stuff came from.
If you don't know what part 65 is google it and you will find you are lost, just like in any part in the CFRs,
The reason I can find something in those countless copies is because I learned about aviation regulations, so I know enough to only talk about what I know about.
And no your foreign experience is not enough to ask Uncle Sammy for a ticket, and the main reason is that all you use the metric system and some other reasons, you would be and are a danger if you try to use American Technical manuals.
The FAA doesn't issue license numbers per se and like other Federal agencies they use our Social Security number. So tell me how you can get a license number with out a Social Security card issued to you.
On the Brigid/Hitcher thing, that would be funny if it wasn't so insulting to me, I don't know how the other person ( who is supposed to share my computer but makes sure and turn off spell check before he posts ) is or care but he seems to be learning or researching and I would advise him to go to school and learn the basics.
I started at the bottom GS101 and I graduated and I went on to achieve the distinction of working on some planes belonging to instructors because of my grades and the mechanical aptitude I showed.
And the last thing I did pretty good for a girl. So I am used to the male belief that they are smarter and that females don't belong in aviation maintenance.
I had the trust and respect, after my classmates go to know me to be appointed Crew Chief in our overhaul classes both Reciprocating and Gas Turbine.
So lighten up you guys, you sound like a bunch of arrogant pricks.
If you don't know what part 65 is google it and you will find you are lost, just like in any part in the CFRs,
The reason I can find something in those countless copies is because I learned about aviation regulations, so I know enough to only talk about what I know about.
And no your foreign experience is not enough to ask Uncle Sammy for a ticket, and the main reason is that all you use the metric system and some other reasons, you would be and are a danger if you try to use American Technical manuals.
The FAA doesn't issue license numbers per se and like other Federal agencies they use our Social Security number. So tell me how you can get a license number with out a Social Security card issued to you.
On the Brigid/Hitcher thing, that would be funny if it wasn't so insulting to me, I don't know how the other person ( who is supposed to share my computer but makes sure and turn off spell check before he posts ) is or care but he seems to be learning or researching and I would advise him to go to school and learn the basics.
I started at the bottom GS101 and I graduated and I went on to achieve the distinction of working on some planes belonging to instructors because of my grades and the mechanical aptitude I showed.
And the last thing I did pretty good for a girl. So I am used to the male belief that they are smarter and that females don't belong in aviation maintenance.
I had the trust and respect, after my classmates go to know me to be appointed Crew Chief in our overhaul classes both Reciprocating and Gas Turbine.
So lighten up you guys, you sound like a bunch of arrogant pricks.
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Ok Brigid....
Care to elaborate on this? "Some other reasons" you say. Like what? We use the metric system? For what? Which units do we use for which purposes? In which countries?
When I work on Boeings where do the "Technical manuals" come from?
I'm sure one of the many non-US citizen, non US resident FAA A&P tickets holders who frequent this forum will tell you. Unless of course you find the answer first, after all you learned all about aviation regulations, right?
And no your foreign experience is not enough to ask Uncle Sammy for a ticket, and the main reason is that all you use the metric system and some other reasons, you would be and are a danger if you try to use American Technical manuals.
When I work on Boeings where do the "Technical manuals" come from?
The FAA doesn't issue license numbers per se and like other Federal agencies they use our Social Security number. So tell me how you can get a license number with out a Social Security card issued to you.
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This just keeps going on and on, If I remember correctly the dope and fabric and welding, wooden aircraft structures, aircraft finishes is in AF101 and I believe that they dropped that part of the course and expanded GS102 basic electricity back in like '2000, baseball stitch, anti tear strips, rib stitching I enjoyed that
Oh heres a test question: what kind of glue is used on wooden aircraft structures any body have a clue. See this License allows an A&P to work on and inspect and return to service ALL aircraft, heavier than air, lighter than air, it's a broad Knowledge base.
Oh heres a test question: what kind of glue is used on wooden aircraft structures any body have a clue. See this License allows an A&P to work on and inspect and return to service ALL aircraft, heavier than air, lighter than air, it's a broad Knowledge base.
Yes it certainly is, in fact it could be argued that it's too broad.
In Europe wooden structures and balloons/dirigibles are separate licence endorsements, that you study for and are examined on, if and when you choose to do them.
Why waste time and energy training people up in fields that very few will ever work in?
However you still haven't answered my question from my previous post.
How does a knowledge of, and an ability to work with both metric and Imperial measuring systems make people "a danger" as you put it?
In Europe wooden structures and balloons/dirigibles are separate licence endorsements, that you study for and are examined on, if and when you choose to do them.
Why waste time and energy training people up in fields that very few will ever work in?
However you still haven't answered my question from my previous post.
How does a knowledge of, and an ability to work with both metric and Imperial measuring systems make people "a danger" as you put it?
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The FAA doesn't issue license numbers per se and like other Federal agencies they use our Social Security number. So tell me how you can get a license number with out a Social Security card issued to you.
It is a liscence to learn and any stuck up LAME who thinks they are any better are arrogant idiots. Arrogence in this business get's people killed as a result of complacency.
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Okay
I stand corrected I read up on the FARs Part 65 and I was wrong but I never learned that as pertaining to me so I didn't remember it, so I talked about something I don't know about and that is wrong so I apologize.
And I retract the statement I made about the metric system or any other measuring system, I just remember a case of an A 320 I think that was Canadian built and bought by an American carrier and was fueled up using the metric system and wound up running out of fuel and had to make an emergency landing on an old drag strip, if it hadn't had the emergency hydraulic systems it does ,it would have been pretty bad.
There would have been a lot more to clean up than just the pilots' seats
And I retract the statement I made about the metric system or any other measuring system, I just remember a case of an A 320 I think that was Canadian built and bought by an American carrier and was fueled up using the metric system and wound up running out of fuel and had to make an emergency landing on an old drag strip, if it hadn't had the emergency hydraulic systems it does ,it would have been pretty bad.
There would have been a lot more to clean up than just the pilots' seats
Complete thread drift but there are bound to be incidents sometime if we use Imperial gallons, US gallons, litres, pounds and kilogrammes as refuelling measurements instead of an international standard!
Re the metric scale, almost every aircraft I've worked on over the last thirty years has used inches as a base unit, whether it's been British or American built. I'll admit that thread pitches and spanner sizes haven't been uniform though. I've never touched modern (to me, anyway
) widebodied aircraft, which may well be different re measurement units.
We do have wooden aircraft in Europe - the glue here in the UK was Aerodux (replaced casein glue, which deteriorated in damp conditions) if I remember rightly and I've worked with both Irish linen and Ceconite in regard of fabric coverings; it's no big deal if you take your time and know your dopes.
Oh, back to valve caps, according to my A&P manuals, they're used primarily as dust/dirt covers and secondarily as valve core leakage backups.
Re the metric scale, almost every aircraft I've worked on over the last thirty years has used inches as a base unit, whether it's been British or American built. I'll admit that thread pitches and spanner sizes haven't been uniform though. I've never touched modern (to me, anyway
) widebodied aircraft, which may well be different re measurement units.We do have wooden aircraft in Europe - the glue here in the UK was Aerodux (replaced casein glue, which deteriorated in damp conditions) if I remember rightly and I've worked with both Irish linen and Ceconite in regard of fabric coverings; it's no big deal if you take your time and know your dopes.
Oh, back to valve caps, according to my A&P manuals, they're used primarily as dust/dirt covers and secondarily as valve core leakage backups.
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The imperial form of measuremet was used and developed over millenia (Egyptians, Romans, Britons, etc) and we introduced it when we re-populated America, so the premise that the FAA claim we solely use metric is utter tosh. Ask your regular FAA inspector about Whitworth or BA measuring too....
A collegue of mine holds both FAA and EASA pt 66 licences. He got the EASA first, then did a short (a few weeks) course followed by an OPEN BOOK exam. This allowed him to gain the FAA equivalent licence. In comparison, IF he had the FAA licence and wanted to convert to EASA or CASA, he'd have had to do EVERY module.
edit: how the hell did we get here from ADD-ing valve caps?
edit 2: The A300 is measured in cm (ie. station numbers) but I can't remember if the fittings are imperial or not....
A collegue of mine holds both FAA and EASA pt 66 licences. He got the EASA first, then did a short (a few weeks) course followed by an OPEN BOOK exam. This allowed him to gain the FAA equivalent licence. In comparison, IF he had the FAA licence and wanted to convert to EASA or CASA, he'd have had to do EVERY module.
edit: how the hell did we get here from ADD-ing valve caps?
edit 2: The A300 is measured in cm (ie. station numbers) but I can't remember if the fittings are imperial or not....
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Lighten up there, And I stand corrected it was an American type, but it was in Canada and it does state that:
The subsequent investigation revealed corporate failures and a chain of minor human errors that combined to defeat built-in safeguards. In addition, fuel loading was miscalculated through misunderstanding of the recently adopted metric system, which replaced the imperial system.
So I had the types confused but the result is the same and the ram air turbine I thought at the time was a system on a A320 or A 300.
You're continued insults only show what an arrogant Bastard you are.
The subsequent investigation revealed corporate failures and a chain of minor human errors that combined to defeat built-in safeguards. In addition, fuel loading was miscalculated through misunderstanding of the recently adopted metric system, which replaced the imperial system.
So I had the types confused but the result is the same and the ram air turbine I thought at the time was a system on a A320 or A 300.
You're continued insults only show what an arrogant Bastard you are.
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Ya wanna know about tires go to the tire shop, ya wanna know about batteries go to the battery shop, ya wanna know about instruments talk to a repairman.
Simple answer to the valve-cap question, who expanded it ? not the questioner.
Simple answer to the valve-cap question, who expanded it ? not the questioner.
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I am sorry Brigid, but at two in the morning on the line I do not want to be working with some one who has to phone the tyre shop or battery shop. I want them to know. as for the instruments, then that is my territory so he should be talking to me. that is the problem with the US system. there is no dedicated avionics role. In a world of increased electronic aviation systems that leaves you as being a safety risk. I say that as someone who has worked on avionic systems from the aircraft on the line all the way down to component level in an avionic workshop. I have been and I still am appalled at the level of systems knowledge that is required to gain a license. but none of this has anything to do with valve caps!
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Thanks steveF
The answer to that question is: synthetic resin glue and that is a test question on the writtens in my time, I don't have any hands on on the heavies either, I graduated in early '91 and there were no jobs at that time, worse than now.
Just out of curiosity is that cap info in the old Airframe handbook I haven't seen that thing in years but it is good information, I came here because of a post some pilot of rotary wings had on a Bell Jet ranger and stated that the compressor stages and the turbine were only connected by gas stream haha, I couldn't resist the temptation to get into basic gas turbine design. Pilots
Just out of curiosity is that cap info in the old Airframe handbook I haven't seen that thing in years but it is good information, I came here because of a post some pilot of rotary wings had on a Bell Jet ranger and stated that the compressor stages and the turbine were only connected by gas stream haha, I couldn't resist the temptation to get into basic gas turbine design. Pilots
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That wasn't meant for anybody working the line, that was meant to be the answer to the statement by the security guard about. well I don't want to start that. Hey you guys have all my respect.