How do people start???????
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How do people start???????
I apologize in advance if am starting a thread that probably is as old as this forum.
But how did you people start to get experience for your licences??
I am an engineering student and a cabin crew wishing to work one day as a B1.
i have been speaking for long long time with the engineers manager of my company asking him help but the answer is always the same "at the moment we hire just really experienced mechanics".
Same answer from every other company i have been emailing to.
I am willing to move anywhere, to work just nights i have even offered to get paid less then a normal mecchanic just to get started but after over 1 year of trying i still see no hope.
I dont want to give up but what else can i do?? I mean the aviation has to have a need of new B1/B2 to replace people who retire right??
So how do i start??Has anyone have any advice??
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But how did you people start to get experience for your licences??
I am an engineering student and a cabin crew wishing to work one day as a B1.
i have been speaking for long long time with the engineers manager of my company asking him help but the answer is always the same "at the moment we hire just really experienced mechanics".
Same answer from every other company i have been emailing to.
I am willing to move anywhere, to work just nights i have even offered to get paid less then a normal mecchanic just to get started but after over 1 year of trying i still see no hope.
I dont want to give up but what else can i do?? I mean the aviation has to have a need of new B1/B2 to replace people who retire right??
So how do i start??Has anyone have any advice??
Thanks everyone
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HI matcv88
I understand your sentiment, That said you gotta keep in mind that the industry at the moment is in a downturn especially in europ due to the recession and oil prices, My advice to you would be try applying for jobs abroad.
How I got in was a pure matter of luck I used to do my ojt in a company for free! then all of a sudden vacancies arrised and I applied and owing to the good references that I had from the senior technicians with whom I worked as well as the shift supervisor and line manager in the company I got to the interview and they hired me.
A couple of other friends of mine got in aswell after plugging away, They dropped thier resumes in every airline possible and somehow got in.
But we're in the middle east so its a diffrent dynamic and I understand how hard is it to get in the industry in europ as per the seniour engineers in this forum, so relocate dont stay in where you live.
Try qatar airways, try EK (I'v heard they have a huge scarsity), try heaco try siac try british airways mena aerospace.....and the list goes on.
Try the RAF and the military.
Just drop your resume anywhere you could and I prefer handing over your resume in person and nagging on them.
I'm sure many agencies are looking for mechanics I know the industry has been vile in europe but certainly there are vacancies and jobs available.
I understand your sentiment, That said you gotta keep in mind that the industry at the moment is in a downturn especially in europ due to the recession and oil prices, My advice to you would be try applying for jobs abroad.
How I got in was a pure matter of luck I used to do my ojt in a company for free! then all of a sudden vacancies arrised and I applied and owing to the good references that I had from the senior technicians with whom I worked as well as the shift supervisor and line manager in the company I got to the interview and they hired me.
A couple of other friends of mine got in aswell after plugging away, They dropped thier resumes in every airline possible and somehow got in.
But we're in the middle east so its a diffrent dynamic and I understand how hard is it to get in the industry in europ as per the seniour engineers in this forum, so relocate dont stay in where you live.
Try qatar airways, try EK (I'v heard they have a huge scarsity), try heaco try siac try british airways mena aerospace.....and the list goes on.
Try the RAF and the military.
Just drop your resume anywhere you could and I prefer handing over your resume in person and nagging on them.
I'm sure many agencies are looking for mechanics I know the industry has been vile in europe but certainly there are vacancies and jobs available.
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If there is no possibility to start through some apprentices programs or through any other direct way... then you can try indirect path to maintenance.
For example: engineering departments - they takes young students very willingly because there is a lot of monkey work. When you are in, you can communicate with experienced guys (former maintenance engineers for sure) and beg for maintenance.
They have huge amount of friends in the industry.
The same in the workshops, I guess.
Now I am working in the "engineering department" and trying to behave as written above.
For example: engineering departments - they takes young students very willingly because there is a lot of monkey work. When you are in, you can communicate with experienced guys (former maintenance engineers for sure) and beg for maintenance.
They have huge amount of friends in the industry.The same in the workshops, I guess.
Now I am working in the "engineering department" and trying to behave as written above.
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Keep at it
I do feel for you new people coming through, it is hard at the moment. There aren't a many jobs around at the at the present time, and as you said people want experiance. That said it won't be like this forever. You've got the right attitude, keep at it and you might get lucky.
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If you are cabin crew you have a huge advantage here.
At the end of your days flying; hang around at the end, don't rush straight back to the crew room. You'll usually find some engineers will meet the aircraft on arrival. Ask them if you can do some "work experience" with them, explain you are wanting to transfer into engineering and you are studying for your B1.
I don't imagine they will have a problem with this, especially if you are working for the same company, and you already have airside ID passes.
It'll only take a year or two to become an "alright" line mechanic. Work as hard as you can to learn line jobs such as wheel, brake, battery etc replacements. How to replenish the oxygen, nitrogen, engine oil and hydraulic fluid. Get involved with filter replacements and lubrication of gears & flight controls.
You'll soon find yourself doing other jobs, and as you gain the respect and trust of your new found engineer mates, you will be left more to get on with jobs on your own.
This stage is where you will find yourself being classed as "semi experienced", and although the hangar is again a totally setup, you may well find yourself being sufficiently skilled to be considered for an unlicensed mech. position - you'll probably find you will also have some engineers/supervisors there who can put in a good word and let you know about vacancies.
Make sure you record ALL of the jobs you do aswell, 2years on the line, even if it is just doing basic line tasks line wheels/brakes, will help you a great deal when going for interview - it'll make you stand out a mile from the other wannabe's with no hands-on.
I really think if you are cabin crew now, you have a world of opertunity to gain experience that a lot of wannabe's do not have....make the most of it and goodluck
At the end of your days flying; hang around at the end, don't rush straight back to the crew room. You'll usually find some engineers will meet the aircraft on arrival. Ask them if you can do some "work experience" with them, explain you are wanting to transfer into engineering and you are studying for your B1.
I don't imagine they will have a problem with this, especially if you are working for the same company, and you already have airside ID passes.
It'll only take a year or two to become an "alright" line mechanic. Work as hard as you can to learn line jobs such as wheel, brake, battery etc replacements. How to replenish the oxygen, nitrogen, engine oil and hydraulic fluid. Get involved with filter replacements and lubrication of gears & flight controls.
You'll soon find yourself doing other jobs, and as you gain the respect and trust of your new found engineer mates, you will be left more to get on with jobs on your own.
This stage is where you will find yourself being classed as "semi experienced", and although the hangar is again a totally setup, you may well find yourself being sufficiently skilled to be considered for an unlicensed mech. position - you'll probably find you will also have some engineers/supervisors there who can put in a good word and let you know about vacancies.
Make sure you record ALL of the jobs you do aswell, 2years on the line, even if it is just doing basic line tasks line wheels/brakes, will help you a great deal when going for interview - it'll make you stand out a mile from the other wannabe's with no hands-on.
I really think if you are cabin crew now, you have a world of opertunity to gain experience that a lot of wannabe's do not have....make the most of it and goodluck
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Thanks a lot T.R Haychemu that what i am thinking to do, i always speak with every engineer i meet all the time and they tell me to wait that maybe in few months maybe next summer maybe maybe so too many maybes..
But let's say i offer my help when i am not working even without getting paid and without a contract can i register them jobs on my log book or not?
What i mean is are them jobs valid for my future experience or not?
Thanks a lot guys
But let's say i offer my help when i am not working even without getting paid and without a contract can i register them jobs on my log book or not?
What i mean is are them jobs valid for my future experience or not?
Thanks a lot guys
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Yes, it is all valid experience and you should record them in your logbook (CAP741 or similar).
As long as the organisation is Part 145; and the engineers supervising you stamp up your logbook entry sheets. All of your logged experience will count towards your licence
Being paid/having a contract makes no difference at all in the eyes of the NAAs whilst gaining your initial experience. Infact many engineers have started this way, helping out for free, until they were sufficently useful to be then offered employment.
As long as the organisation is Part 145; and the engineers supervising you stamp up your logbook entry sheets. All of your logged experience will count towards your licence
Being paid/having a contract makes no difference at all in the eyes of the NAAs whilst gaining your initial experience. Infact many engineers have started this way, helping out for free, until they were sufficently useful to be then offered employment.
