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There has been another case recently with a guy working for two major operators certifying with a number that turned out to be based on a PPL number. Obviously neither operator checked him out properly.Apparently the guy was quietly asked to leave and no action was taken against him as both quality departments had screwed up big style.Wonder where he's working now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There was a link to G-INFO on the UKCAA website.
He owned (or did own) a little GA a/c. So, its not like the
'Competent Authority' couldn't contact him and regulate
as required..
Or Anyone else for that matter!
Its clearly indicative of just how incompetent certain UKCAA
Part 145 QA depts are.
Below is a link to the FAA Airmen Registry... Any Nigel/Tech fraud
can be confirmed within hours... Not weeks, like the greased money extracting machine that occupies Aviation House.
https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/
BAe146???
He owned (or did own) a little GA a/c. So, its not like the
'Competent Authority' couldn't contact him and regulate
as required..
Or Anyone else for that matter!Its clearly indicative of just how incompetent certain UKCAA
Part 145 QA depts are.
Below is a link to the FAA Airmen Registry... Any Nigel/Tech fraud
can be confirmed within hours... Not weeks, like the greased money extracting machine that occupies Aviation House.
https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/
BAe146???
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I happen to work with guys that are not lisenced and are good mechanics/fitters.
An engineer is a lisenced person that holds the authorisation to decide which action is needed to be taken according to the manuals for keeping the ac airworthy.
These individuals i have been working with are good mechanics and stressing again the word mechanics, but they do not understand the function of the components they are changing and most of them tried to pass the exams many times but failed.
So yes to be a good engineer you need to have passed all your exams.
The hand skills will get better as time goes by but you will not get any smarter.
So you underrstand the concept or not,there is no between.
Even if this guy that got gaught was good enough with his hands to work on ac, it does not mean he understood what he was actually doing.
An engineer is a lisenced person that holds the authorisation to decide which action is needed to be taken according to the manuals for keeping the ac airworthy.
These individuals i have been working with are good mechanics and stressing again the word mechanics, but they do not understand the function of the components they are changing and most of them tried to pass the exams many times but failed.
So yes to be a good engineer you need to have passed all your exams.
The hand skills will get better as time goes by but you will not get any smarter.
So you underrstand the concept or not,there is no between.
Even if this guy that got gaught was good enough with his hands to work on ac, it does not mean he understood what he was actually doing.
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So yes to be a good engineer you need to have passed all your exams.
If you say so....
EASA states that a lisenced engineer must have the EASA Part 66 passed with a minimum of 75%.
LISENCED engineers signes the ac your family travels with NOT mechanics.
That is why grand father rights do not apply above Cat A.
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The hand skills will get better as time goes by but you will not get any smarter.
So you underrstand the concept or not,there is no between.
The beauty of the new European system is that you no longer have to understand the concept to get a licence, you simply have to memorise the correct answer (see above), its easy, any fool can do it.....
Then i guess there are quite a few foolish people working in aviation....
I know these kind of engineers that learned the bank and passed.
Result?
Most of the times they are given tasks but are unable to finish them.
I wonder why...........
So yes to be a good engineer you need to have passed all your exams.
If you say so....
EASA states that a lisenced engineer must have the EASA Part 66 passed with a minimum of 75%.
LISENCED engineers signes the ac your family travels with NOT mechanics.
That is why grand father rights do not apply above Cat A.
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The hand skills will get better as time goes by but you will not get any smarter.
So you underrstand the concept or not,there is no between.
The beauty of the new European system is that you no longer have to understand the concept to get a licence, you simply have to memorise the correct answer (see above), its easy, any fool can do it.....
Then i guess there are quite a few foolish people working in aviation....
I know these kind of engineers that learned the bank and passed.
Result?
Most of the times they are given tasks but are unable to finish them.
I wonder why...........
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There has been another case recently with a guy working for two major operators certifying with a number that turned out to be based on a PPL number
If you hold a UK flight crew licence this number will appear on your UK engineering licence so this is not abnormal though I do remember that particular story and there were other issues if I recall it right.
If you hold a UK flight crew licence this number will appear on your UK engineering licence so this is not abnormal though I do remember that particular story and there were other issues if I recall it right.
Except that you actually have to have an engineers licence for it to appear on!!!!!!!!!
I suspect that you might be right in that the CAA are now using a number to identify the individual and not the licence. Maybe someone who holds both can confirm that.
I understand that in a least one UK case a licence was never produced, with various excuses e.g it's with the CAA, lost in the post, eaten by the dog e.t.c.
Without sight of the document or confirming it's existence with the CAA no approval should have been issued.
I suspect that you might be right in that the CAA are now using a number to identify the individual and not the licence. Maybe someone who holds both can confirm that.
I understand that in a least one UK case a licence was never produced, with various excuses e.g it's with the CAA, lost in the post, eaten by the dog e.t.c.
Without sight of the document or confirming it's existence with the CAA no approval should have been issued.
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Ericferret,
I can confirm that the number on the licence is indeed the same, I hold a UK NPPL pilots licence and a UK CAA Engineering licence. The 7 digit number on each one is the same preceded by UK/NP for the pilots licence and CAA/AML for the engineering licence.
I can confirm that the number on the licence is indeed the same, I hold a UK NPPL pilots licence and a UK CAA Engineering licence. The 7 digit number on each one is the same preceded by UK/NP for the pilots licence and CAA/AML for the engineering licence.
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In answer to the licence documents:
In Australia, when you first register with CASA for any exam (Pilot or AME), they issue you with an ARN (Aviation Reference Number) that will be your tracking number with them for the rest of your career.
Back in the old days, Australian LAMEs were issued a separate "Licence Number". If you were dealing with CASA in NSW, your licence number started with N. In Victoria, it started with V, etc.
For many years now, they have just added an "L" to the beginning of your ARN when they issue you an AME licence. Pilot Licences just use the ARN itself.
The licences, however, are completely different documents that look nothing alike.
In Australia, when you first register with CASA for any exam (Pilot or AME), they issue you with an ARN (Aviation Reference Number) that will be your tracking number with them for the rest of your career.
Back in the old days, Australian LAMEs were issued a separate "Licence Number". If you were dealing with CASA in NSW, your licence number started with N. In Victoria, it started with V, etc.
For many years now, they have just added an "L" to the beginning of your ARN when they issue you an AME licence. Pilot Licences just use the ARN itself.
The licences, however, are completely different documents that look nothing alike.
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I agree with Brissy......What this guy Tim did was wrong but don't be fooled into thinking that just cos someone is licenced they are good at what they do. Anyone can pass a few exams and get a bit of soe its really not rocket science. But to be a good engineer is much harder to master.
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True, you are right, the exams are good for weeding out people who find it hard to remember how to breathe but for the vast majority of people the text can be learnt on the bus, on the way to the exam.
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Well you would be wrong in assuming such things my smudgey friend as I am an Avionics LAME who is half way through finishing his A&P exams just for fun 
. Where did I say anything that would make you think otherwise?
. Where did I say anything that would make you think otherwise?
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Nope can verify Splitpin is Licensed,
Smudge did we find the basics a little tough did we mate?
The only engineer that I have seen put in a serious effort over 20 yrs and not able to pass enough exams (having failing some over 5 times) Is an absolute retard and I would not trust him as bowser boy to fuel up my car and inflate my tyres, As it would surely end in tears.
I understand this is bench mark but guys if you got out in the world and saw what apparently a Certified LAME in some cases is, you would think twice about flying on the aircraft that they have certified fit for flight.
Smudge did we find the basics a little tough did we mate?
The only engineer that I have seen put in a serious effort over 20 yrs and not able to pass enough exams (having failing some over 5 times) Is an absolute retard and I would not trust him as bowser boy to fuel up my car and inflate my tyres, As it would surely end in tears.
I understand this is bench mark but guys if you got out in the world and saw what apparently a Certified LAME in some cases is, you would think twice about flying on the aircraft that they have certified fit for flight.
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Smudge I'm sorry if I tarnished your sence of acheivement in saying that anyone can pass a few exams and get SOE, but its all true
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Anyone can read a few text books and anwser questions about what they have only read a few days ago. I read my 2 year old niece "Thomas the Tank engine" and she can name all the characters in the book the next day by more than 75% lets give her a licence for being cute.
And as for SOE thats just going to happen due to the fact that you are performing jobs on an aircraft to make money. WoW you wrote what you did at work down in a pretty pink (showing my age) soe book, well done ,have a trophy
So to get back on topic and try and get my piont across again. Yes what this Tim Fellow did was completely wrong but, you can't honestly think that just because someone has all the correct qualifications they are good at their job? If this was the case why would employers bother having interviews? They would just say "Bring us another LAME they are all equal".
It should not come as a surprise that a fully qualified person could be bad at their chosen profession:
Ever had a bad haircut from a qualified hairdesser? YES!
Ever been mis-diagnosed by a qualified doctor? YES!
Ever been unhappy with a qualified builders work? YES!
So to end my rant. Doing exams and getting SOE are the easiest part of becoming a LAME. Being aware of what you are doing and knowing the difference between being a good engineer and a crap one is the hard part. End of story.
.Anyone can read a few text books and anwser questions about what they have only read a few days ago. I read my 2 year old niece "Thomas the Tank engine" and she can name all the characters in the book the next day by more than 75% lets give her a licence for being cute.
And as for SOE thats just going to happen due to the fact that you are performing jobs on an aircraft to make money. WoW you wrote what you did at work down in a pretty pink (showing my age) soe book, well done ,have a trophy
So to get back on topic and try and get my piont across again. Yes what this Tim Fellow did was completely wrong but, you can't honestly think that just because someone has all the correct qualifications they are good at their job? If this was the case why would employers bother having interviews? They would just say "Bring us another LAME they are all equal".
It should not come as a surprise that a fully qualified person could be bad at their chosen profession:
Ever had a bad haircut from a qualified hairdesser? YES!
Ever been mis-diagnosed by a qualified doctor? YES!
Ever been unhappy with a qualified builders work? YES!
So to end my rant. Doing exams and getting SOE are the easiest part of becoming a LAME. Being aware of what you are doing and knowing the difference between being a good engineer and a crap one is the hard part. End of story.
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I have seen many engineers over the years licensed and unlicensed who have been excellent engineers, only once ever heard of someone who had forged credentials, but even so a phonecall usually gave credence to whether a person was the'real deal'...in the old days that was !!
This guy's work only lasted until the turnround ,minor inspection or whatever.. usually an idea of someones competency is without question.. Qantas QA has to be taken to task as also anyone who cited the guys qualifications ..course certs etc .
I am retired..happily and it really worries me these days of what I read on this and other similar websites that there is a lot of guys who submit material here that confirms my suspicions
they should be in some other profession.
The bogus engineer fortunately did not cause any
loss of life or damage and am really glad about that ,however he also did not do anything like the ddamage and injury caused by bogus ddoctors ,vets , pilots and unlicensed car drivers so although I worked very hard over the 40 odd years in my career I am very jealous of all the hard work that I and others have put in ..3.5 years is a bit over the top!
This guy's work only lasted until the turnround ,minor inspection or whatever.. usually an idea of someones competency is without question.. Qantas QA has to be taken to task as also anyone who cited the guys qualifications ..course certs etc .
I am retired..happily and it really worries me these days of what I read on this and other similar websites that there is a lot of guys who submit material here that confirms my suspicions
they should be in some other profession.
The bogus engineer fortunately did not cause any
loss of life or damage and am really glad about that ,however he also did not do anything like the ddamage and injury caused by bogus ddoctors ,vets , pilots and unlicensed car drivers so although I worked very hard over the 40 odd years in my career I am very jealous of all the hard work that I and others have put in ..3.5 years is a bit over the top!
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I've only glossed through, so hope it's not been covered.
About 1970, I was working for what E Gann would have called a steam-ship company's airline. All our licenses had to be double checked cos we were in trouble and were being checked down the route every few days.
A flight engineer had never had a license, and had been flying for years. It seems he was good at his job, and well liked. He got caught on a routine check at some distant destination.
Don't know what happened to him - apart from a lifestyle change.
About 1970, I was working for what E Gann would have called a steam-ship company's airline. All our licenses had to be double checked cos we were in trouble and were being checked down the route every few days.
A flight engineer had never had a license, and had been flying for years. It seems he was good at his job, and well liked. He got caught on a routine check at some distant destination.
Don't know what happened to him - apart from a lifestyle change.
