RT license
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: new delhi
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RT license
I am aspiring pilot and want to clear the RT license papers before goin for my training. i wanna ask anyone out here who could tell me what to study and what are all the topics!!!!!!
Cunning Artificer
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: The spiritual home of DeHavilland
Age: 76
Posts: 3,127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
...but you may be in the wrong forum. Best ask a pilot type.
How many engineers are aware that they ought to be in possession of an R/T licence before they are permitted to transmit on the aircraft radios...?
Its not an airworthiness matter, it comes under the laws governing radio telephony, but ignorance of the law is no excuse - as 'they' say.
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 20000 leagues under the sea
Posts: 147
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
CAP 413
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...pe=subcat&id=4
It will probably be easier when you start flying so you can relate the R/T to tha actual phases of flight.
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...pe=subcat&id=4
It will probably be easier when you start flying so you can relate the R/T to tha actual phases of flight.
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: UK
Age: 57
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well I've been an LAE for a long time in a few companies and I don't know a single colleague with an "RT" license.
Where's that mandated?
Usual company procedures will cover a quick course at ATC and a mention on your approval cert if you are very lucky.
Where's that mandated?
Usual company procedures will cover a quick course at ATC and a mention on your approval cert if you are very lucky.
Cunning Artificer
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: The spiritual home of DeHavilland
Age: 76
Posts: 3,127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Where's that mandated?
For the USA matters are much clearer: visit http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/wncol.html for the details.
Wireless communications are, like airworthiness and such, the subject of international regulation. No matter which country you are working in, somewhere on the flight deck of your aircraft there will be a Radio Station Licence. This licence will contain cross reference to the regulations under which it was issued. Those regulations will contain the details of who may operate that radio station and the qualifications required or the conditions under which they may do so.
I know that LAEs do jump into aeroplanes, turn on the radios and make transmissions without a care in the world, but some of their operating procedures and terminology leaves a great deal to be desired. (Even some of the B2s who ought to know better.
)Added to which, they are committing an offence. There's more to aircraft maintenance than just the airworthiness regulations.
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: UK
Age: 57
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP452.PDF also refers. I was looking to see if Ground use by engineers was excepted (like glider pilots)...
Apparently we're all law breakers. Best I refuse anyfurther ground testing!
Apparently Ofcom do need to issue cert.
One would think that CAA audits of all EASA 145 company procedure would check such a thing!
I have worked for some large well known airlines that issue Engine Ground Running approval quite happily without this legal requirement...
Apparently we're all law breakers. Best I refuse anyfurther ground testing!
Apparently Ofcom do need to issue cert.
One would think that CAA audits of all EASA 145 company procedure would check such a thing!
I have worked for some large well known airlines that issue Engine Ground Running approval quite happily without this legal requirement...
I know that LAEs do jump into aeroplanes, turn on the radios and make transmissions without a care in the world, but some of their operating procedures and terminology leaves a great deal to be desired. (Even some of the B2s who ought to know better. )
sir, i think you have a misguided view of LAEs
gs
)sir, i think you have a misguided view of LAEs
gs
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: .
Posts: 2,997
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well according to the link given for the US regs we don't:
As I'm not making a foreign flight then I don't need one.
You do NOT need a commercial radio operator license to operate the following:
Coast stations operating on VHF frequencies with 250 watts or less of carrier power.
Ship stations operating only on VHF frequencies while sailing on domestic voyages (unless the vessel carries more than six passengers for hire, or the ship is larger than 300 gross tons and is required to carry a radio station for safety purposes).
Aircraft stations which operate only on VHF frequencies and do not make foreign flights.
Coast stations operating on VHF frequencies with 250 watts or less of carrier power.
Ship stations operating only on VHF frequencies while sailing on domestic voyages (unless the vessel carries more than six passengers for hire, or the ship is larger than 300 gross tons and is required to carry a radio station for safety purposes).
Aircraft stations which operate only on VHF frequencies and do not make foreign flights.
I think the answer is that Radio Operators Licences apply to Radio "Operators" and do not apply to ground engineers conducting ground maintenance. - Yes, I know its a loophole - but could you imagine the Great Gordon's glee at trying to enforce all UK radio using staff and all Armed Forces personnel to get a licence? Not to mention Police, Ambulance and Fire Services!
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Over The Hills And Far Away
Posts: 676
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Back in the days when I was an apprentice, we were all trained and tested to the same standard as aircrew. To be properly licensed and use correct phraseology, instead of sounding as if you were on the phone with your mom, should be of interest to any professional.
Cunning Artificer
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: The spiritual home of DeHavilland
Age: 76
Posts: 3,127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
sir, i think you have a misguided view of LAEs
As I'm not making a foreign flight then I don't need one
The majority of the above posts are a pretty good indicator of the extent of the ignorance of radio operating procedures. Perhaps I've made my point?
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: lakshdweep
Age: 36
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
hey dude in india question of r/t licence come from tuli book go to english book store in canout place and ask for that book and as u live in delhi there is one tution in pitampura and just pay him 15000($360) and u will surely pass the paper as every one know that bribe do every thing in india u can even get cpl licence without even touch the a/c.but be good pilot or engineer as i am because passengers r our responsibility.i am mechanical engineer just ask from avionic engineer u will get your answers .
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: UK
Age: 57
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There's more to aircraft maintenance than just the airworthiness regulations.
Some of us even have time to get the old tools out and keep the odd A/C in service without getting our knicks in a twist about an RT license
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Over The Hills And Far Away
Posts: 676
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Vortechs Jenerator,
So tell me then, are you legally operating the radio station that the aircraft is? A simple yes or no will suffice.
The radio operator licence, that should be in the ship's documents, will specify the conditions under which the radios can be operated. Have you read it or the regulations? A simple yes or no will suffice.
I hasten to add that I am not licensed by a UK authority, so I might used to a more progressive environment.
So tell me then, are you legally operating the radio station that the aircraft is? A simple yes or no will suffice.
The radio operator licence, that should be in the ship's documents, will specify the conditions under which the radios can be operated. Have you read it or the regulations? A simple yes or no will suffice.
I hasten to add that I am not licensed by a UK authority, so I might used to a more progressive environment.
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: UK
Age: 57
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Techman...
Are you a child. Naive to the ways of the world? Do you work in some Airline Nirvanna in an altruistic line station?
A simple yes or know will also suffice.
I work as a cog within an EASA 145 maintenance environment for an airline with it's own AOC. That system is has a quality sytem, CAME, MOE - that is approved and audited by the CAA. If ANY of it's practises are out of accord then it's a company/authority matter.
I adhere and operate within legislative rules as I understand them and they have been disseminated to me. As I said origionally - I have been making RT broadcasts to ATC in the course of my work for a long time and NONE of the 100's of engineers I know have EVER had an RT license.
I applolgise that a simple yes or no did not suffice but thats life eh?
Are you a child. Naive to the ways of the world? Do you work in some Airline Nirvanna in an altruistic line station?
A simple yes or know will also suffice.
I work as a cog within an EASA 145 maintenance environment for an airline with it's own AOC. That system is has a quality sytem, CAME, MOE - that is approved and audited by the CAA. If ANY of it's practises are out of accord then it's a company/authority matter.
I adhere and operate within legislative rules as I understand them and they have been disseminated to me. As I said origionally - I have been making RT broadcasts to ATC in the course of my work for a long time and NONE of the 100's of engineers I know have EVER had an RT license.
I applolgise that a simple yes or no did not suffice but thats life eh?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: UK
Age: 57
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Did I get an RT license in the RAF to use a Storno?
NO!
Did I get an RT license with my aircaft towing ticket to talk on ATC freq' when tugging jets around the field?
NO!
Do the Fire tenders, bowser drivers, bird scarers etc get RT licenses to talk to the tower at 100's of airfield all over the UK/Yurope/Planet...?
No!
Perhaps no one really gives a toss except pilots and Air tragic controllers...
NO!
Did I get an RT license with my aircaft towing ticket to talk on ATC freq' when tugging jets around the field?
NO!
Do the Fire tenders, bowser drivers, bird scarers etc get RT licenses to talk to the tower at 100's of airfield all over the UK/Yurope/Planet...?
No!
Perhaps no one really gives a toss except pilots and Air tragic controllers...