What do pilots do that 'irk' you?
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Of COURSE it was my intention Me? Offend engineers? Never!!
(The buggers are that thick skinned you'd have to drive an insult into them with a rivet gun )
Just having some fun with the oily hand gang for whom I have the utmost respect.
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(The buggers are that thick skinned you'd have to drive an insult into them with a rivet gun )
Just having some fun with the oily hand gang for whom I have the utmost respect.
I am not allowed to print here what I wish to reply.
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Great CRM training, this thread is.
I do hope I am able to remain civilised and respectful to the engineers I meet on line for the rest of my career upstairs. I certainly value and trust the chaps I work with now.
The poor blokes are under threat of redundency, yet remain professional and cheerful. Sometimes we do sit on minor snags, as we are fully aware the old bus is constantly on the go, but gets a breather for 3 hours on the weekend where the lads get time to chase down and fix stuff. It's a close knit base though and we all know and get on well.
I apologise for the fact more stuff goes in the book after sectors just before the long turnarounds, but it is with the best intentions.
MY seat, sorry ,the one I'm allowed to sit in when they finish, just seems to get used for throwing the tech log and their outdoor jackets on.
Best wishes to the BACON IOM line!
I do hope I am able to remain civilised and respectful to the engineers I meet on line for the rest of my career upstairs. I certainly value and trust the chaps I work with now.
The poor blokes are under threat of redundency, yet remain professional and cheerful. Sometimes we do sit on minor snags, as we are fully aware the old bus is constantly on the go, but gets a breather for 3 hours on the weekend where the lads get time to chase down and fix stuff. It's a close knit base though and we all know and get on well.
I apologise for the fact more stuff goes in the book after sectors just before the long turnarounds, but it is with the best intentions.
MY seat, sorry ,the one I'm allowed to sit in when they finish, just seems to get used for throwing the tech log and their outdoor jackets on.
Best wishes to the BACON IOM line!
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MY seat, sorry ,the one I'm allowed to sit in when they finish, just seems to get used for throwing the tech log and their outdoor jackets on.
But all things serious, at our base there really is a good working relationship between Engineering and Crew. We all manage to keep a really old fleet in the air which at times seems nothing less than a miracle.
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Want it when??
You want it fixed but don't have time to wait?
No problem- what time tomorrow would you
like to try for??
Also- I don't really care what YOU want.
I just need to make it legal per MEL (if possible)!
No problem- what time tomorrow would you
like to try for??
Also- I don't really care what YOU want.
I just need to make it legal per MEL (if possible)!
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Who irks me with what
ConwayB,
I would like to expand your irking group - perahps more CRM ammunition.
My irk groups:-
1 Pilots 2 Cabin Crew 3 Maintenance 4 Companies 5 Security
All groups - A lack of common courtesy. I think this shows as the most frequent complaint. It costs nothing and buys a lot.
Group 1 The pilots who run away from the aircraft saying ít's good , nothing wrong', but leave several defects in the log.
The pilots who do not discuss a defect to help with diagnosis regarding where, when, etc.
Group 2 The Galley Rats who insist they must have the oven, coffee maker, puked on seat sorted NOW, when the Eng is busier than a cat burying sh1t with a safety related or a no-go defect.
Group 3 The Ramp Tramp who is so full of bullsh1t to the captain because he doesn't want to fix the problem or more likely hasn't the first idea what to do but wants to create the impression he is the number one fixer in the company.
Gruop 4 There is no money to buy parts, equipment, training, etc., because it hasn't been a good year and cash is short. And, then squanders a fortune on advertising, new uniforms and, of course, new management cars.
Group 5 The great unwashed subjecting to their personal 'chip on shoulder' syndrome to anybody within shouting range. Especially those from the grossly overpaid flying types.
A gross inability to apply a grain of common sense on any occassion -Ít's more than my job is worth', etc.etc.
Special message to disillusioned Security Staff - If yo unoe realise your present position is a result of not paying attention at school. Not all is lost - You can join the Army. They will educate you, even teach reading and writing if necessary. Even become a member of society.
I know these are only a minority, but it always they who are remembered.
I would like to expand your irking group - perahps more CRM ammunition.
My irk groups:-
1 Pilots 2 Cabin Crew 3 Maintenance 4 Companies 5 Security
All groups - A lack of common courtesy. I think this shows as the most frequent complaint. It costs nothing and buys a lot.
Group 1 The pilots who run away from the aircraft saying ít's good , nothing wrong', but leave several defects in the log.
The pilots who do not discuss a defect to help with diagnosis regarding where, when, etc.
Group 2 The Galley Rats who insist they must have the oven, coffee maker, puked on seat sorted NOW, when the Eng is busier than a cat burying sh1t with a safety related or a no-go defect.
Group 3 The Ramp Tramp who is so full of bullsh1t to the captain because he doesn't want to fix the problem or more likely hasn't the first idea what to do but wants to create the impression he is the number one fixer in the company.
Gruop 4 There is no money to buy parts, equipment, training, etc., because it hasn't been a good year and cash is short. And, then squanders a fortune on advertising, new uniforms and, of course, new management cars.
Group 5 The great unwashed subjecting to their personal 'chip on shoulder' syndrome to anybody within shouting range. Especially those from the grossly overpaid flying types.
A gross inability to apply a grain of common sense on any occassion -Ít's more than my job is worth', etc.etc.
Special message to disillusioned Security Staff - If yo unoe realise your present position is a result of not paying attention at school. Not all is lost - You can join the Army. They will educate you, even teach reading and writing if necessary. Even become a member of society.
I know these are only a minority, but it always they who are remembered.
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Mistaken Identity
This thread reminds me of an occasion when I and a colleague (both sergeants) were sent on a Lone Ranger exercise with two Canberras to Gan.
We were both given flying clothing, but my overalls still had Flying Officer rank and wings sewn on.
When we arrived at Gan, the aircrew scuttled off as fast as they could leaving me with my aircraft.
I was in the middle of carrying out the A/F when a corporal sauntered up.
Corporal: 'Wot' you doing, Sir?' (I was opening the hydraulic reservoir panel)
Me: Sergeant actually, I'm doing the A/F'.
Corporal: 'You're not supposed to do that, Sir, that's what I'm here for'.
Me: No, that's OK, I'll finish it'.
Corporal: 'You're not trained to do it'.
Me: Actually, I am'.
Corporal: 'You may miss something!'
Me: 'Hopefully not, I'm flying back to Wyton in this thing tomorrow'.
Corporal: All the more reason for me to do it'.
At this point my colleague saunters up, having heard the conversation and having already removed his flying suit.
Colleague: You're at it again, Sir, look what happened when you tried to remove that engine'.
Corporal (flabergasted) 'What?'
Colleague: He does it all the time'.
Colleague and I collapse in hysterics. Corporal totally confused until he remembers my first riposte and sees the light. Exit irate corporal muttering about engineers impersonating pilots.
You never can tell.
We were both given flying clothing, but my overalls still had Flying Officer rank and wings sewn on.
When we arrived at Gan, the aircrew scuttled off as fast as they could leaving me with my aircraft.
I was in the middle of carrying out the A/F when a corporal sauntered up.
Corporal: 'Wot' you doing, Sir?' (I was opening the hydraulic reservoir panel)
Me: Sergeant actually, I'm doing the A/F'.
Corporal: 'You're not supposed to do that, Sir, that's what I'm here for'.
Me: No, that's OK, I'll finish it'.
Corporal: 'You're not trained to do it'.
Me: Actually, I am'.
Corporal: 'You may miss something!'
Me: 'Hopefully not, I'm flying back to Wyton in this thing tomorrow'.
Corporal: All the more reason for me to do it'.
At this point my colleague saunters up, having heard the conversation and having already removed his flying suit.
Colleague: You're at it again, Sir, look what happened when you tried to remove that engine'.
Corporal (flabergasted) 'What?'
Colleague: He does it all the time'.
Colleague and I collapse in hysterics. Corporal totally confused until he remembers my first riposte and sees the light. Exit irate corporal muttering about engineers impersonating pilots.
You never can tell.
Anyone who gets on their high horse outbound from base;
"Show me the limits......" etc.,but inbound will carry any old sh17e because its leg over & chips time! Just a small minority.Apparently professionalism is an absolute
"Show me the limits......" etc.,but inbound will carry any old sh17e because its leg over & chips time! Just a small minority.Apparently professionalism is an absolute
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The most annoying thing for me is when the pilot who tells you whats wrong and then tells you how to fix it! In this digital integrated avionics suite age I reply that it's probably an "interface problem" - the interface between the chair and the control column! Some of them are actually smart enough to work it out!
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Maintenance talk
Eagle Commander,
I recently learnt a new expression to cover your last post. You just say 'PICNIC' meaning 'Problem in chair, not in component.' I thought it covered the subject exactly.
Happy squawks
James
I recently learnt a new expression to cover your last post. You just say 'PICNIC' meaning 'Problem in chair, not in component.' I thought it covered the subject exactly.
Happy squawks
James
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Also- I don't really care what YOU want.
I just need to make it legal per MEL (if possible)!
I just need to make it legal per MEL (if possible)!
Also I'll tell YOU if it's out of limits.......not the other way around.
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You defer by the MEL a bleed or a power supply put an inop sticker on it and the system is left alone, you inop the pull out table and everybody carries on as though it wasn't broken until you try to put it away and now it is stuck in front of the flight displays.
Or even worse the hostee tell's you there's a problem and then tells you how to fixit. Once again, today, another one at it, if she knew how to fix it why call me.
Or even worse the hostee tell's you there's a problem and then tells you how to fixit. Once again, today, another one at it, if she knew how to fix it why call me.
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