What do pilots do that 'irk' you?
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Turin it`s not being called out I mind it`s the attitude of some of them that really goes against the grain. I love my job and love working on a/c it`s the spurious faults that I object to
However not all are like that in fact it`s a small minority .But the small minority tarnish the reputation of all flight crew
However not all are like that in fact it`s a small minority .But the small minority tarnish the reputation of all flight crew
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The one who writes in “Nil” as the first entry then writes “For Info” as the second entry.
"I only wrote 3 items as the page is full", what’s wrong with PTO.
The one, who writes nothing in the book, then tells you that the APU shut down on all sectors during engine start.
The one who tells you it's a fine aircraft, nothing wrong and the Cabin log has pages and pages of items to attend to.
The one who demands you to be there when they arrive, so they can sneak off and leave you monitoring the APU and the cleaners.
The one, who calls for an engineer, doesn’t specify what the problem is, you go to the aircraft, and then you have to return to the office for the follow up action from the AMM/TSM etc.
The one, who calls for an engineer, then doesn’t specify what the problem is so the wrong guy turns up and have to call for the other trades.
Pre departure, the captain, panic call need an engineer, passengers are sat waiting to go, arrive to be told, “she's got a problem”, speak to the purser, “I've put something in the cabin log” and a delay follows.
I don't care, it's not a problem, that's what we are here for, and it all goes on the bill, and its job security.
"I only wrote 3 items as the page is full", what’s wrong with PTO.
The one, who writes nothing in the book, then tells you that the APU shut down on all sectors during engine start.
The one who tells you it's a fine aircraft, nothing wrong and the Cabin log has pages and pages of items to attend to.
The one who demands you to be there when they arrive, so they can sneak off and leave you monitoring the APU and the cleaners.
The one, who calls for an engineer, doesn’t specify what the problem is, you go to the aircraft, and then you have to return to the office for the follow up action from the AMM/TSM etc.
The one, who calls for an engineer, then doesn’t specify what the problem is so the wrong guy turns up and have to call for the other trades.
Pre departure, the captain, panic call need an engineer, passengers are sat waiting to go, arrive to be told, “she's got a problem”, speak to the purser, “I've put something in the cabin log” and a delay follows.
I don't care, it's not a problem, that's what we are here for, and it all goes on the bill, and its job security.
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I have to agree with all of the above!!! Mind you I don't mind being called "Eng" (Been called worse, by better)
The un written snag is one of my pet hates. One of the airlines I deal with are particularly bad at that. They usualy tell the passenger staff. So I get:
"The pilot says some thing about the.... what was it now?..ohhh... the something valve on the engine light went on....or was it off? But he didn't put it in the book"
So I smile and say I'll deal with it, go into the cockpit look for a big red flashing light or a EICAS message saying "Land NOW" If there is nothing amiss I forget about It!
Funnily enough that airlines crews like leaving the radar switched on too.
Rgds Dr I
P.S. I agree with TURIN write eveything down, it keeps me in a job!
The un written snag is one of my pet hates. One of the airlines I deal with are particularly bad at that. They usualy tell the passenger staff. So I get:
"The pilot says some thing about the.... what was it now?..ohhh... the something valve on the engine light went on....or was it off? But he didn't put it in the book"
So I smile and say I'll deal with it, go into the cockpit look for a big red flashing light or a EICAS message saying "Land NOW" If there is nothing amiss I forget about It!
Funnily enough that airlines crews like leaving the radar switched on too.
Rgds Dr I
P.S. I agree with TURIN write eveything down, it keeps me in a job!
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Finding that he has decked the a/c with a mind-boggoling greenie snag (for which there is no cover!!) and then he tells you that it only happened on the first sector and the last three/four sectors it has been fine!!!
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When you get on the flight deck and there is a significant snag well written up, plenty of detail with a FRM code but he hasn't bothered radioing in so that you could get a head start on the problem.
The one's who snarl and bark because when they've called you pre departure with a defect, you immediately reach for the MEL. Isn't it the intent of the MEL?
The one who snags #1 brake and #4 wheel on arrival. Have you no idea of the turnaround time? Couldn't the maintenance guy at the last station have made a call.
The crew that have pissed off the aircraft without having even making a nil entry in the logbook, not even attempted to begin a coupon. You increase the brightness on EICAS and there is a message or two there.
When at the end of a twelve hour nightshift, been at it all night and the crew departing the first flight of the day start complaining no maintenance is ever being done at night because the defect they wrote up yesterday is still deferred today.
The ones who expect an immediate answer to a defect? Do you know how many aircraft/engine types, the myriad systems we are expected to have a 'reasonable' general knowledge of. If I need to leave the flight deck to access some literature it's because I'm trying to give you an accurate response. Otherwise if you prefer bull****, I have no end of crap I can digress.
Crew, tech n cab, who expect every part that makes up an airliner is available at every station, so it can be replaced by you at their convenience.
Etc etc etc ..... BUT generally speaking, most crew a very reasonable people, especially these days because they're more affected by the ridiculous constraints put on all of us by our management.
C.
The one's who snarl and bark because when they've called you pre departure with a defect, you immediately reach for the MEL. Isn't it the intent of the MEL?
The one who snags #1 brake and #4 wheel on arrival. Have you no idea of the turnaround time? Couldn't the maintenance guy at the last station have made a call.
The crew that have pissed off the aircraft without having even making a nil entry in the logbook, not even attempted to begin a coupon. You increase the brightness on EICAS and there is a message or two there.
When at the end of a twelve hour nightshift, been at it all night and the crew departing the first flight of the day start complaining no maintenance is ever being done at night because the defect they wrote up yesterday is still deferred today.
The ones who expect an immediate answer to a defect? Do you know how many aircraft/engine types, the myriad systems we are expected to have a 'reasonable' general knowledge of. If I need to leave the flight deck to access some literature it's because I'm trying to give you an accurate response. Otherwise if you prefer bull****, I have no end of crap I can digress.
Crew, tech n cab, who expect every part that makes up an airliner is available at every station, so it can be replaced by you at their convenience.
Etc etc etc ..... BUT generally speaking, most crew a very reasonable people, especially these days because they're more affected by the ridiculous constraints put on all of us by our management.
C.
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I generally find that the vast majority of flight crew I deal with from my own company and third party operators are very reasonable people. Granted, I'm a mechanic only and as such, I'm not really subjected to the "pointy" end of maintenance so to speak.
I guess that one thing that usually irks the engineers are pilots that write up defects to do with personal comfort. One particular Captain snagged the adjustable sidestick controller armrest on an Airbus as the number and letter representing his preferred armrest setting was not the same for this particular aircraft. The oncoming crew had a good laugh as apparently, the number and letter representing your preferred armrest setting is different for all aircraft.
The one thing I do notice is that the Captain and FO are generally the ones that treat engineers with the most respect. It is usually the second officers who think they are god's gift to aviation, and are the ones that usually look down upon engineers, treat us as if we don't exist and have the "you serve me" mentality. Cabin crew can be very bossy as well.
Regards, JetMech
I guess that one thing that usually irks the engineers are pilots that write up defects to do with personal comfort. One particular Captain snagged the adjustable sidestick controller armrest on an Airbus as the number and letter representing his preferred armrest setting was not the same for this particular aircraft. The oncoming crew had a good laugh as apparently, the number and letter representing your preferred armrest setting is different for all aircraft.
The one thing I do notice is that the Captain and FO are generally the ones that treat engineers with the most respect. It is usually the second officers who think they are god's gift to aviation, and are the ones that usually look down upon engineers, treat us as if we don't exist and have the "you serve me" mentality. Cabin crew can be very bossy as well.
Regards, JetMech
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quote: "I hate the ones that write "for info" before some crippler of a snag and expect you to sign it off because they've only written it "for info"."
Our MOE states that we don't have to take action if the pilots entry starts with "for info". Just a nice "thanks" can be good for maintenance action.
Our MOE states that we don't have to take action if the pilots entry starts with "for info". Just a nice "thanks" can be good for maintenance action.
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Piper 19, surely it depends on what is for info. Is it not up to the engineer in attendence to determine the entry and not a general statement in the MOE?
For example: "For info: APU failed to start but ok on second attempt, further attempts all ok"(Info noted please report further if required) or "For info: Bleed trip off light illuminated on the top of decent, reset and no further reoccurance"(Would you really write info noted?) or "For info: On taxi in N2, indications show split of 8%"(Some maintenance action required I think)
Although some pilots have good technical knowledge I wouldn't trust the technical knowledge of all pilots based on the words "FOR INFO".
The words "FOR INFO" mean nothing to me, its whats written after that I'm concerned with.
For example: "For info: APU failed to start but ok on second attempt, further attempts all ok"(Info noted please report further if required) or "For info: Bleed trip off light illuminated on the top of decent, reset and no further reoccurance"(Would you really write info noted?) or "For info: On taxi in N2, indications show split of 8%"(Some maintenance action required I think)
Although some pilots have good technical knowledge I wouldn't trust the technical knowledge of all pilots based on the words "FOR INFO".
The words "FOR INFO" mean nothing to me, its whats written after that I'm concerned with.
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Pilots who snag a righthand engine, but your fault finding mysteriously leads you to the left one, eventually.
Pilots who have never heard of propwash, especially those who find themselves starting up just outside the hangar doors - the open ones.
Pilots who have been to that special adding up school where an hours flying can gain or loose anything up to 9000 hours in the log.
Pilots who dont notice that adding error for 2 weeks and just continue the error accumulation,
Pilots who fly with a known unreported defect all week, and then casually report it: (select one or more)
- on a Friday,
- at going home time,
- let you know its been like it all week, and
- MUST have it fixed for first thing tomorrow,
Feel better now
M
Pilots who have never heard of propwash, especially those who find themselves starting up just outside the hangar doors - the open ones.
Pilots who have been to that special adding up school where an hours flying can gain or loose anything up to 9000 hours in the log.
Pilots who dont notice that adding error for 2 weeks and just continue the error accumulation,
Pilots who fly with a known unreported defect all week, and then casually report it: (select one or more)
- on a Friday,
- at going home time,
- let you know its been like it all week, and
- MUST have it fixed for first thing tomorrow,
Feel better now
M
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The aircraft is late on stand, already past departure time, the new crew arrive and push past the departing passengers on the way and into the flight deck and start talking with the arriving crew. Some time later the arriving crew leave and the new crew's sat comfortably. You try to find out what's in the logs, but they have decided to take a long look at them, a sugestion that maybe someone would like to go for a walk around the the aircraft falls on deaf ears. Eventually the books are passed over and 
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Treat me nice!!
I don't mind the guys that are too good to talk to me and explain what they need. I just casually remind them I'm the last person they want to tic off,
or I can really ruin their day!!! Be nice or you'll find out just how LONG this CAN take to troubleshoot!
or I can really ruin their day!!! Be nice or you'll find out just how LONG this CAN take to troubleshoot!
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1) when a snag starts appearing across a fleet (once the crew have talk to each other, during all their time off)
e.g. trim on one aircraft XXXX had a defects, next minute you know the week after on other aircraft YYYYY, ZZZZ you get defects like "trim feels strange, please test etc",
2) snagging a button when you know they have used excessive force on the FMC, GPS etc but don't admit it
3) pilots who have left/furlonged/made redunant/fired from major carries, join a regional outfit and still think they flying a major (defects such as crack on light cover..... yep its an interior cover and the crack is just visible behind the fastener and maybe in your previous airline while you where boarded and notice the crack, the taxpayer went off an bought you another cover at an inflated price from Boeing. But wait stupid expenses like that resulted in layoffs). Applies to cabin staff too with comments such as "When I flew for {insert national carrier name} we had expresso makers" well hold on while I get my credit card out and buy you one to fit (no need to worry about certification problems etc )
4) First officers just after they made Captain, every noise and creak freaks them out.
e.g. trim on one aircraft XXXX had a defects, next minute you know the week after on other aircraft YYYYY, ZZZZ you get defects like "trim feels strange, please test etc",
2) snagging a button when you know they have used excessive force on the FMC, GPS etc but don't admit it
3) pilots who have left/furlonged/made redunant/fired from major carries, join a regional outfit and still think they flying a major (defects such as crack on light cover..... yep its an interior cover and the crack is just visible behind the fastener and maybe in your previous airline while you where boarded and notice the crack, the taxpayer went off an bought you another cover at an inflated price from Boeing. But wait stupid expenses like that resulted in layoffs). Applies to cabin staff too with comments such as "When I flew for {insert national carrier name} we had expresso makers" well hold on while I get my credit card out and buy you one to fit (no need to worry about certification problems etc
)4) First officers just after they made Captain, every noise and creak freaks them out.
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having read everybody else problems, its the same all over the world.
The standarisation of crew training must be working, Must be a special module on defects
The standarisation of crew training must be working, Must be a special module on defects
Engineers could get their own back, in the days of pistons, anyway...
Pilot's only words in Tech Log, before quitting work for the slip hotel: "No 3 Missing."
P****d-off liney's entry: "Carried out search and found No 3 attached in the normal place."
The old ones are the best.
Pilot's only words in Tech Log, before quitting work for the slip hotel: "No 3 Missing."
P****d-off liney's entry: "Carried out search and found No 3 attached in the normal place."
The old ones are the best.