LAMS annual certification
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LAMS annual certification
I am having a (albeit friendly) dispute with an aircraft owner about certification of his annual inspection. He is of the opinion that as his A/C has an EASA standard CofA operated in what was private category then he only needs a licenced engineer to certify the annual and would only need to bring his A/C to a maintenance facility for a CofA renewal.
Having read Lams it states that an annual inspection shall be carried out "under the supervision of either a M3 or part 145 organisation"
His argument is that the engineer in question who has offered to sign his annual works for a 145 company so that's ok.
My question to you all is, the engineer works for a 145 company but signs off the annual in the log books under his licence number, would this be acceptable to you if you recieved the A/C for its next inspection or would you (like me) expect the annual to be certified by an approved organistaion?
JB
Having read Lams it states that an annual inspection shall be carried out "under the supervision of either a M3 or part 145 organisation"
His argument is that the engineer in question who has offered to sign his annual works for a 145 company so that's ok.
My question to you all is, the engineer works for a 145 company but signs off the annual in the log books under his licence number, would this be acceptable to you if you recieved the A/C for its next inspection or would you (like me) expect the annual to be certified by an approved organistaion?
JB
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My understanding is that the engineer would have to sign for the work under the approval of the M3 or Part 145 organisation i.a.w. their quality system, procedures, etc. If the engineer is doing it as a homer or favour outside of work then it is not a legal certification. His approval/authorisation is granted by the organisation, not the licence.
I may be wrong - I work on big aircraft, different rules apply to the wee ones. A BCAR licence with type rating may be legal.
I may be wrong - I work on big aircraft, different rules apply to the wee ones. A BCAR licence with type rating may be legal.
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The engineer can stamp up your CRS using a stamp bearing his Licence Number if the Stamp is listed in the 145 MOE as being acceptable to the CAA.
If he is working for an M3 he/you are okay.
The CAA tend to like the 145 AMO Stamps to have the 145 approval reference on it (e.g. UK.145.00999) and the Approval Ref of the engineer (e.g. FLS905), but it is possible for the CAA to accept a pre-existing stamp/pattern. Many Stamps for M3 organisations had personal Licence Numbers on them (e.g. AMEL 24693) and this may be carried over in a 145 conversion if the CAA accepts it.
Best to ask!
If he is working for an M3 he/you are okay.
The CAA tend to like the 145 AMO Stamps to have the 145 approval reference on it (e.g. UK.145.00999) and the Approval Ref of the engineer (e.g. FLS905), but it is possible for the CAA to accept a pre-existing stamp/pattern. Many Stamps for M3 organisations had personal Licence Numbers on them (e.g. AMEL 24693) and this may be carried over in a 145 conversion if the CAA accepts it.
Best to ask!
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CAP 411 LAMS A
The Annual check etc etc etc must be accomplished under the supervision of an organisation approved etc etc etc,
OR
The holder of a UK AMEL with type rating or the holder of an EASA part 66 B1 with type rating etc etc.
Dead clear, if none public transport than an LAE can sign out an annual.
The Annual check etc etc etc must be accomplished under the supervision of an organisation approved etc etc etc,
OR
The holder of a UK AMEL with type rating or the holder of an EASA part 66 B1 with type rating etc etc.
Dead clear, if none public transport than an LAE can sign out an annual.
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As long as it's in the private cat then a UK LAME can certify the annual. The Licence MUST be type (or group) rated for the particular airframe/engine combination.
As it is an annual it will ALSO require a radio certification. Unless this guy is A/C & R you will need an additional person to certify. He'll need some test equipment too. Pitot/static checks (A&C) and radio/radar (R) checks are all required on an annual.
As it is an annual it will ALSO require a radio certification. Unless this guy is A/C & R you will need an additional person to certify. He'll need some test equipment too. Pitot/static checks (A&C) and radio/radar (R) checks are all required on an annual.
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Originally Posted by Rigga
The engineer can stamp up your CRS using a stamp bearing his Licence Number if the Stamp is listed in the 145 MOE as being acceptable to the CAA.
If he is working for an M3 he/you are okay.
The CAA tend to like the 145 AMO Stamps to have the 145 approval reference on it (e.g. UK.145.00999) and the Approval Ref of the engineer (e.g. FLS905), but it is possible for the CAA to accept a pre-existing stamp/pattern. Many Stamps for M3 organisations had personal Licence Numbers on them (e.g. AMEL 24693) and this may be carried over in a 145 conversion if the CAA accepts it.
Best to ask!
If he is working for an M3 he/you are okay.
The CAA tend to like the 145 AMO Stamps to have the 145 approval reference on it (e.g. UK.145.00999) and the Approval Ref of the engineer (e.g. FLS905), but it is possible for the CAA to accept a pre-existing stamp/pattern. Many Stamps for M3 organisations had personal Licence Numbers on them (e.g. AMEL 24693) and this may be carried over in a 145 conversion if the CAA accepts it.
Best to ask!
