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The battle has been fought and the dust has settled, the Members First Team have strode forth victorious in a landslide victory.
Big Issues in front of them, how do think the handover went ?
Outsourcing / Lameless Tarmac / Job Security / Aggregate wage / CASA
Sh*t where do they start ?
All the best guys hope the members get behind you like they did in the election no use pushing the train along only to let it go off the rails.
Big Issues in front of them, how do think the handover went ?
Outsourcing / Lameless Tarmac / Job Security / Aggregate wage / CASA
Sh*t where do they start ?
All the best guys hope the members get behind you like they did in the election no use pushing the train along only to let it go off the rails.
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Well they won't have to do much to do more than the last mob.
They made some pretty poor decisions in their time. One that comes to mind is their overturning of the members vote down at Avalon in favour of the Company.
If your members vote on a matter (we are in a democracy after all) you should back them to the hilt. I think they lost sight of the fact that they are suppose to represent those people and the decisions they make.
I guess they lost their credibility after that in my books. Lets hope the new executive listens to their members instead of playing politician.
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They made some pretty poor decisions in their time. One that comes to mind is their overturning of the members vote down at Avalon in favour of the Company.
If your members vote on a matter (we are in a democracy after all) you should back them to the hilt. I think they lost sight of the fact that they are suppose to represent those people and the decisions they make. I guess they lost their credibility after that in my books. Lets hope the new executive listens to their members instead of playing politician.
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Too many "elected" executive members going back to the founding father himself, DC, have ultimately, either covertly or overtly, used the ALAEA to promote self interest and career paths beyond a 7/16th UNF locknut. THAT, has never changed. Brian was a true campaigner and the ALAEA is so much the worse for his having retired. Whilst you have a financial stake in what is essentially a labour hire organisation you can hardly be perceived as having the interests of your membership uppermost in your mind as opposed those of your major source of income. Good riddance to the last lot who should hang their collective heads in shame.
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SeldomFixit,
Obviously you have been out of the loop for some time now.
The ALAEA stop receiving any consultancy fees from Forstaff some years ago.
Obviously you have been out of the loop for some time now.
The ALAEA stop receiving any consultancy fees from Forstaff some years ago.
I don't think he's been as out of the loop as the last executive.
Either way the people running the show have feathered their own nests and weaseled their way into cushy jobs with the employers of the people they last represented.
Funny how the're now pulling the strings and on the other end of the negotiating table. Quote from Darren Hinch, "SHAME".
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World of change
Who started the thread over here, should tell people in d&g.
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Brian's back in the office at the moment.
The ALAEA no longer receives payment from the Forstaff, yes that was quite wrong!
I think you will find the new exec operates distinctly different from the old.
The lovely chap from Cabo's has left the building!
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Brian's back in the office at the moment.
The ALAEA no longer receives payment from the Forstaff, yes that was quite wrong!
I think you will find the new exec operates distinctly different from the old.
The lovely chap from Cabo's has left the building!
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Time to put up or shut up. You want action well volunteer and be nominated as a Rep
The ALAEA wants you! There is now more OPPORTUNITY for you than whinging and complaining on PPRUNE! Take up the offer and do your part to help the reform of the ALAEA.
Remember, the association is there for all of us, and it will be what all of us help make it!
The ALAEA wants you! There is now more OPPORTUNITY for you than whinging and complaining on PPRUNE! Take up the offer and do your part to help the reform of the ALAEA.
Remember, the association is there for all of us, and it will be what all of us help make it!
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How many SydHM people have not been able to find a satisfactory outcome from the recent closure in Syd?
If you read the Australian Aviation section July7 20.
All the redeployments and redundancies are possibly not satisfactory but no doubt some have found early retirement reduncancy packages or transfere not adverse to their envisaged best/worst case scenario.
The angry will make most noise but the not so angry must also be heard.
With credit to the Previous Executive they spend a great deal of energy in the best interest of the Syd Heavy LAMEs to ensure some form of member satisfaction after a corporate decision to close a formative institution within the Qf group.
Many posters on this site and in other circles appear to apportion the blame for Syd HM closure to the Asn Executive.
The Exec of the Asn have only a limited amount of leverage to sway decisions when to comes to 21st century corporate edits.
The Liberal Federal Government NSW Labor government Qf shareholders and the 30000 plus Qf workers did little or no action to prevent this flawed decision.
What under such onerous circumstances could a Work Choices IR Act Unioin(s) do?
The new Exec faces similar circumstances with Mel heavy but with a longer time frame.
The ACTU are wading in with a Website campaign appealing to the flying public will this work only time will tell.
Decisions are based ultimately by the corporate dollar and in aviation sadly it is lso in the hands of Oil barrons that jack up the cost of travel when a despot in North Korea decides to piss off the West with a poorly engineered missile the presents a threat to gobal stability.
Blame , blame the World we live in.
Maybe Syd heavy was decided in a meeting room at OPEC?
If you read the Australian Aviation section July7 20.
All the redeployments and redundancies are possibly not satisfactory but no doubt some have found early retirement reduncancy packages or transfere not adverse to their envisaged best/worst case scenario.
The angry will make most noise but the not so angry must also be heard.
With credit to the Previous Executive they spend a great deal of energy in the best interest of the Syd Heavy LAMEs to ensure some form of member satisfaction after a corporate decision to close a formative institution within the Qf group.
Many posters on this site and in other circles appear to apportion the blame for Syd HM closure to the Asn Executive.
The Exec of the Asn have only a limited amount of leverage to sway decisions when to comes to 21st century corporate edits.
The Liberal Federal Government NSW Labor government Qf shareholders and the 30000 plus Qf workers did little or no action to prevent this flawed decision.
What under such onerous circumstances could a Work Choices IR Act Unioin(s) do?
The new Exec faces similar circumstances with Mel heavy but with a longer time frame.
The ACTU are wading in with a Website campaign appealing to the flying public will this work only time will tell.
Decisions are based ultimately by the corporate dollar and in aviation sadly it is lso in the hands of Oil barrons that jack up the cost of travel when a despot in North Korea decides to piss off the West with a poorly engineered missile the presents a threat to gobal stability.
Blame , blame the World we live in.
Maybe Syd heavy was decided in a meeting room at OPEC?
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How many from SHM found satisfactory outcomes? The minority. A handful that wanted to uproot their lives and move and a handful that were gagging to do 12hr shifts. The majority were happy to remain doing a great job on qf aircraft.'The ALAEA exec were not to lame for the decision to close SHM, that was all dixon,cox and Seabury consultants, however they must take some responsibility for sitting on their hands after the desicion was made and not taking it to the company boots and all from the minute the KeithC larke told us we were no longer wanted.
The tool we had to protect us was the enterprise agreement and it was so poorly understood and used by the industrial think tank at bexely it only fired blanks.
No retrenchments or movements should have taken place until the ebas conditions had been met.
As for Melbourne Heavy they have teh same eba conditions and this time qf isn't going to be allowed to ride roughshod over them.
The tool we had to protect us was the enterprise agreement and it was so poorly understood and used by the industrial think tank at bexely it only fired blanks.
No retrenchments or movements should have taken place until the ebas conditions had been met.
As for Melbourne Heavy they have teh same eba conditions and this time qf isn't going to be allowed to ride roughshod over them.
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Either way, a change in the ALAEA will face a big challenge, by a management team that chases the Bean counters profit, and as per usual they take no responsibility for anything, instead put everything back onto the remaining staff...It makes you wonder why we bother to have management....one Variable goes up and suddenly we have to compromise quality, safety and standards....That is one thing i still havent been able to grasp and management havent answered and the previous team of ALAEA pushed, why do we in australia want to lower our professional aviation standards to the same level of some of the most crappy american airlines in the world?
There safety standards are terrible, the product rubbish and they want to model airlines in Australia on them?
Might be time ALAEA and CASA teamed up to prevent the further erosion of the standards in australia, before there is a major incident and airline management pass the buck as usual...
There safety standards are terrible, the product rubbish and they want to model airlines in Australia on them?
Might be time ALAEA and CASA teamed up to prevent the further erosion of the standards in australia, before there is a major incident and airline management pass the buck as usual...
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The Asn is a 3million plus service business, serving 4000 members with assests in real estate and no doubt accountable investments let us hope the new people are up to the task.
People have been phoning the head office of late about day to day ongoing issues only to receive vague replies.
Granted the Members First team are new to their service post but members will become short tempered with this new team as time rolls by.
The issues of their daily life continue and most have no time whist the newly appointed are shagging during the honeymoon period.
The business rolls on, day today issues need addressing.
No doubt the Airlines have their plan to approach the new Asn executive are we ready?
People have been phoning the head office of late about day to day ongoing issues only to receive vague replies.
Granted the Members First team are new to their service post but members will become short tempered with this new team as time rolls by.
The issues of their daily life continue and most have no time whist the newly appointed are shagging during the honeymoon period.
The business rolls on, day today issues need addressing.
No doubt the Airlines have their plan to approach the new Asn executive are we ready?
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Anything specific that you know about sonhouse? or are you trying to smear the new mob before they can make their mark?
ps They dont bring in 3 million a year . 4000 members times 570 is arond the 2.3 million mark.
And as to the service business... it hasn't been. But It might become one.
ps They dont bring in 3 million a year . 4000 members times 570 is arond the 2.3 million mark.
And as to the service business... it hasn't been. But It might become one.
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Who owns the Bexley building Turbo and how much is it worth?
The incoming and outgoing values of the ALAEA Federal Executive are Available for all members.
I'm sure if you request the report that is forwarded to the accountants you willl be accomodated.
The new Exec judging by the Member First committment will be happy to accommodate.
Open and accountable.
The incoming and outgoing values of the ALAEA Federal Executive are Available for all members.
I'm sure if you request the report that is forwarded to the accountants you willl be accomodated.
The new Exec judging by the Member First committment will be happy to accommodate.
Open and accountable.
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I presume that the building is owned by the members and it wouldnt suprise me if there is investment of funds somewhere, but what that has to do with airline management screwing down the quality of maintenance in Australia I cant quite see.
Have you got some "special" interest in how the new mob compare with the old, Sonhouse?
Have you got some "special" interest in how the new mob compare with the old, Sonhouse?
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Sonhouse, you and your mates wouldn't be making numerous calls perday to the office to to ask for assistance in areas that should be addressed by local reps? This is not an attempt to tie up resources, where the new Exec. then don't have time to do the more important things? This is not still sour grapes is it, can you really continue this attack for another 4 years? The New Exec. is not blind to your actions they have also read the same book, "The Art of War", But from their position obviously got more out of it.
There is a respect for the new team that you obviously lost, and whose fault was that? Look in a mirror to see the real reason for the ALAEA being where it is now, my vote was for change and none too soon.
There is a respect for the new team that you obviously lost, and whose fault was that? Look in a mirror to see the real reason for the ALAEA being where it is now, my vote was for change and none too soon.
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How's the petition going Sonhouse?
I heard a petition was circulating the SIT questioning the arrogance of SP improving lines of comunication and being the focal point for that area. Sadly the lad leading this must want more of the same, him and Humphry B Bear anyway.
What do you need answered Sonny, I will see if I can seek a good answer for you.
PS according to the AEC there are little more than 3000 active members, far from what has been alledged by the dodgy accounting and reporting of the past.
What exactly would you like access to in the Financials, 19% super I am told is the tip of the iceberg. Just how embarrassed do you want to be?
What do you need answered Sonny, I will see if I can seek a good answer for you.
PS according to the AEC there are little more than 3000 active members, far from what has been alledged by the dodgy accounting and reporting of the past.
What exactly would you like access to in the Financials, 19% super I am told is the tip of the iceberg. Just how embarrassed do you want to be?
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Interesting to note that posters in this forum do not enjoy balanced debate.
I suppose the new guys will for some remain inscrutible for the length of their term.
Wasn't the War cry of the Members first against the old guys that no one is without scrutiny?
I suppose the new guys will for some remain inscrutible for the length of their term.
Wasn't the War cry of the Members first against the old guys that no one is without scrutiny?
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Sonny, what's your point?
Your right, there's nothing balanced about this debate. Get someone's help will you, your going down in flames!
Is the only reason its one sided is no one agrees with you unsubstantiated and baseless remarks?
Common Sonny, you can do better?
Is the only reason its one sided is no one agrees with you unsubstantiated and baseless remarks?
Common Sonny, you can do better?