ALAEA 2006
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I dont recall mentioning corruption. Do you know something about corruption? I think "inept" would be closer to the mark.
Actually i dont think any one has mentioned corruption except yourself.
There was a hint from Released that he/she thyought that the previous exec lied to sections of the members in regards to the views and wishes of the members from heavy maint. What their motives were are unclear. Perhaps it's things like that that gave the last exec a dirty reputation.
Actually i dont think any one has mentioned corruption except yourself.
There was a hint from Released that he/she thyought that the previous exec lied to sections of the members in regards to the views and wishes of the members from heavy maint. What their motives were are unclear. Perhaps it's things like that that gave the last exec a dirty reputation.
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As 2500 years of Licenced Engineer get escorted off Qantas property for the last time today may i reminisce of what was the world's safest airline. 
Somewhere in the night a lone bugler sounds the last post.
WHAT A DISGRACEFUL ACT AND NOW SOMEONE, MAYBE MANY SOMEONES MAY DIE BECAUSE OF IT.
Not immediately of course but in five years when that 747 is flying around after being serviced and fixed for a PRICE in some far flung country and before the opportunity to spot the cracks arise during detailed checks, the tail will fall off.
AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A KANGAROO LOSES THEIR TAIL ?
Somewhere in the night a lone bugler sounds the last post.
WHAT A DISGRACEFUL ACT AND NOW SOMEONE, MAYBE MANY SOMEONES MAY DIE BECAUSE OF IT.
Not immediately of course but in five years when that 747 is flying around after being serviced and fixed for a PRICE in some far flung country and before the opportunity to spot the cracks arise during detailed checks, the tail will fall off.
AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A KANGAROO LOSES THEIR TAIL ?
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From: The Snakepit Sydney
AWA's?
Well Geoff "Fuel Cost" Dickson has started the mentioning AWA's and I guess Engineering is in the primary firing line, no more shift penalties, leave loading etc...
Be interesting to know what the New ALAEA Team plans to combat this?
Might be time to jump ship as the RED RAT looks like going from bad to worse....a shame as it has many great engineers that are skilled, professional and dedicated...unfortunately the Management isnt....just in for a quick gain of Status....
Be interesting to know what the New ALAEA Team plans to combat this?
Might be time to jump ship as the RED RAT looks like going from bad to worse....a shame as it has many great engineers that are skilled, professional and dedicated...unfortunately the Management isnt....just in for a quick gain of Status....
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Hardworker
Why don't you ask the question yourself of your local rep?
After all the new exec is promoting itself on open and regular communications.
Having said that it would come as no suprise that the latest GD announcement regarding AWA's would be news to the unions as it would be to the employees even if we suspected it was coming.
After all the new exec is promoting itself on open and regular communications.
Having said that it would come as no suprise that the latest GD announcement regarding AWA's would be news to the unions as it would be to the employees even if we suspected it was coming.
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From: The Snakepit Sydney
Local Reps
No local reps as yet as they havent completed the nominations. The old reps have been alienated and are so far out of it now, they dont know.....
I suppose it will be a testing time and it is interesting to note that Dickson and the senior managers have announced a 12.2Million wage rise for themselves but want to introduce AWA's to the majority of departments from Check-in, Cabin Crew, Ramp to Engineering...
It must be close to a revolt.....I think everyone is sick of hearing the same old story of "The Cost of Fuel"
Maybe a wage cut to the management would be a smarter move considering the share price has plumetted and doesnt look like recovering...I cant see how they keep saying what a great job they are doing if the share price is dropping and the profit is in a downward spiral....so you sack your staff, pay them less but expect 100% loyality and effort....Its strange, Qantas use to be a company built on pride, now its built on which manager can earn the most money!
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I suppose it will be a testing time and it is interesting to note that Dickson and the senior managers have announced a 12.2Million wage rise for themselves but want to introduce AWA's to the majority of departments from Check-in, Cabin Crew, Ramp to Engineering...
It must be close to a revolt.....I think everyone is sick of hearing the same old story of "The Cost of Fuel"
Maybe a wage cut to the management would be a smarter move considering the share price has plumetted and doesnt look like recovering...I cant see how they keep saying what a great job they are doing if the share price is dropping and the profit is in a downward spiral....so you sack your staff, pay them less but expect 100% loyality and effort....Its strange, Qantas use to be a company built on pride, now its built on which manager can earn the most money!
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From: oz
Originally Posted by sonhouse
I agreee with hardworker the past is past but the newbies will always remain scrutinised and accountable by others than themselves.
Will there be EBAs?
Only if the majority workforce backs them.
The WC laws for those that have bothered to read them attempts to divide the collective and coerce individuals into AWAs.
If individuals decide that they can get a better deal for themselves from individual AWAs they are saddly mistaken.
AWAs are designed by the current Government to remove Collective workplace leverage to negotiate pay and conditions to meet contempory requirements.
From 1996 onward this incumbent Government has always tried to divide the collect Workforce and with both Houses in the current Parliament they have designed a mechanism to do so.
As to Work Choices....conditions you currently enjoy are targeted by the Legislation/Act and can only be retained by stalwart and unrelenting unified opposition.
Everything becomes a test and any weakness will be exploited.
Hanging on to what you have will be a task enhancement...Well??
Will there be EBAs?
Only if the majority workforce backs them.
The WC laws for those that have bothered to read them attempts to divide the collective and coerce individuals into AWAs.
If individuals decide that they can get a better deal for themselves from individual AWAs they are saddly mistaken.
AWAs are designed by the current Government to remove Collective workplace leverage to negotiate pay and conditions to meet contempory requirements.
From 1996 onward this incumbent Government has always tried to divide the collect Workforce and with both Houses in the current Parliament they have designed a mechanism to do so.
As to Work Choices....conditions you currently enjoy are targeted by the Legislation/Act and can only be retained by stalwart and unrelenting unified opposition.
Everything becomes a test and any weakness will be exploited.
Hanging on to what you have will be a task enhancement...Well??
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From: Melbourne
Get out your F@#kin hankies, Sonhouse is back and the water works will flow. 
Cmon guys lets wallow in self pity and capitulate
After all thats what they expect
I mean EBA 5......EBA6.........EBA7........EBA8 ?
Pi$$weak people deserve pi$$ weak representation
If you're a man stand on YOUR OWN two feet
Cmon guys lets wallow in self pity and capitulate
After all thats what they expect
I mean EBA 5......EBA6.........EBA7........EBA8 ?
Pi$$weak people deserve pi$$ weak representation
If you're a man stand on YOUR OWN two feet
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From: The Snakepit Sydney
AWA's
Nothing like positive feedback from Mr Fixit....So Geoff Dickson is hell bent on AWA's....it seems almost like a repeat of history....The apprentice training school has been closed down in Alexandria, the training school is at a standstill, eventhough there is probably 6-12months of required CAR214 training to be completed, but Lighthouse said that would cost money...But the icing on the cake is managers meeting with Select LAME's to ask then to undertake A380 for no payment...forget whats written in the EBA's, they want to undermine individuals against each other!
So if history is to repeat, it wont be long before people leave in droves, the remaining people suffer from lack to experience, poor rushed training, unrealistic goals, but management will of course take their bonuses....Why do we have a bonus system in place for management? Surely a fixed contract for the right person for the particular position should be enough...
It interesting on another point, Dickson & Gregg taking a 12.2Million bonus each yet keep contanstly crying about the price of fuel and the down grade of the "Profit", the introduction of AWA's to each department and yet the 30-40 Million loss on Jetstar Asia isnt mentioned, the wasted money on repainting & reconfiguring the Australian Airlines aircraft back into the Qantas fleet...
Any criticism of any management decision is seen as a "Below the line comment"and will not be tolerated....
Sad to be happening to a company that has so many good hard working talented people.....
So if history is to repeat, it wont be long before people leave in droves, the remaining people suffer from lack to experience, poor rushed training, unrealistic goals, but management will of course take their bonuses....Why do we have a bonus system in place for management? Surely a fixed contract for the right person for the particular position should be enough...
It interesting on another point, Dickson & Gregg taking a 12.2Million bonus each yet keep contanstly crying about the price of fuel and the down grade of the "Profit", the introduction of AWA's to each department and yet the 30-40 Million loss on Jetstar Asia isnt mentioned, the wasted money on repainting & reconfiguring the Australian Airlines aircraft back into the Qantas fleet...
Any criticism of any management decision is seen as a "Below the line comment"and will not be tolerated....
Sad to be happening to a company that has so many good hard working talented people.....
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From: Oz
Stand up and be counted
Quite frankly I'm getting a little tired of the petty arguments that are festering in this forum.
Sonhouse and rudderless, why don't you two both start a new thread and have it out with each other.............
I have patiently waited and read the memos coming out of the ALAEA. I am becoming more convinced that the tide is turning. Their stance and the changes they have made so far are promising. What is now required is that the people they represent (who voted and put them in their relative positions) get behind them.
This Assosiation needs to consolidate in order to survive!
If you're not interested in being a part of the future.........well piss off......
If you're happy to watch or be a part of the demolition and disection of the remaining proud Australian Aircraft Engineers......piss off......
Find some other industry to demoralise with your pathetic lives.
For those who want to see the industry continue into the future (and prosper) well stand up and be counted. This doesn't just include LAME's, I mean AME's as well. We're all in that same canoe paddeling up SH!T creek together!
It is my intention to become involved in my future. What's yours?
Sonhouse and rudderless, why don't you two both start a new thread and have it out with each other.............
I have patiently waited and read the memos coming out of the ALAEA. I am becoming more convinced that the tide is turning. Their stance and the changes they have made so far are promising. What is now required is that the people they represent (who voted and put them in their relative positions) get behind them.
This Assosiation needs to consolidate in order to survive!
If you're not interested in being a part of the future.........well piss off......
If you're happy to watch or be a part of the demolition and disection of the remaining proud Australian Aircraft Engineers......piss off......
Find some other industry to demoralise with your pathetic lives.
For those who want to see the industry continue into the future (and prosper) well stand up and be counted. This doesn't just include LAME's, I mean AME's as well. We're all in that same canoe paddeling up SH!T creek together!
It is my intention to become involved in my future. What's yours?
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From: sydney
f@ck it i've left the game and i now own a bottle shop,so if people are interested in good priced grog for people that are left in the game,send me a private msg and i will look after you(for you poor bastards that are left in a skining ship),i'm in the Northern Sydney area of North Ryde.Take care and good ridence to this F@cked up industry.
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From: Melbourne
Originally Posted by Torqueman
Quite frankly I'm getting a little tired of the petty arguments that are festering in this forum.
Their stance and the changes they have made so far are promising. What is now required is that the people they represent (who voted and put them in their relative positions) get behind them.
This Assosiation needs to consolidate in order to survive!
If you're not interested in being a part of the future.........well piss off......
If you're happy to watch or be a part of the demolition and disection of the remaining proud Australian Aircraft Engineers......piss off......
Find some other industry to demoralise with your pathetic lives.
For those who want to see the industry continue into the future (and prosper) well stand up and be counted. This doesn't just include LAME's, I mean AME's as well. We're all in that same canoe paddeling up SH!T creek together!
It is my intention to become involved in my future. What's yours?
Their stance and the changes they have made so far are promising. What is now required is that the people they represent (who voted and put them in their relative positions) get behind them.
This Assosiation needs to consolidate in order to survive!
If you're not interested in being a part of the future.........well piss off......
If you're happy to watch or be a part of the demolition and disection of the remaining proud Australian Aircraft Engineers......piss off......
Find some other industry to demoralise with your pathetic lives.
For those who want to see the industry continue into the future (and prosper) well stand up and be counted. This doesn't just include LAME's, I mean AME's as well. We're all in that same canoe paddeling up SH!T creek together!
It is my intention to become involved in my future. What's yours?
Needs to consolidate? In what way? Does this mean joining up with a union that has no idea of LAME issues, for example, the AWU? All fingers have pointed in this direction with the onset of the new ALAEA administration. (Which has been in the works since some have been on the former executive and worked so hard against the membership to turn attention inward instead of towards the membership. ) Funny game they play!
Between the BS they've told the membership over the last 3 yrs, the lies they have told during their election campaign, and the misinformation in notices of late (which goes against the constitution of the ALAEA) simply shows the current federal secretary is nothing more than a power monger and a spin doctor. (i.e. numbers of reps in a work place)
It will be interesting when payback time is due to the AWU how SP and said exec introduce it to the ALAEA membership.....time will tell and the truth will be exposed.
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From: Melbourne
mmmmmm ......A Voice.........
from where ?.........the toilet !!!!!!
Geeeezzzz what dribble !
Must have been hard crying in front of the office girls when the bad news came through eh ?
Were you one of the ones who COULDN'T drive his car home ?
No wonder the exec went out the back door theyre a bunch of nancy boys
If its too hot get out of the kitchen,
oh thats right you already have, bye bye
well thats my spleen vented, back to discussion
Stay true to yourselves and don't sell yourselves short, a team of champions will never beat a champion team
The road will be tough and long, support each other and we will support you.
The longest journey is begun with small steps
PS Company men need not apply for Reps positions thats how I read it.
from where ?.........the toilet !!!!!!
Geeeezzzz what dribble !
Must have been hard crying in front of the office girls when the bad news came through eh ?
Were you one of the ones who COULDN'T drive his car home ?
No wonder the exec went out the back door theyre a bunch of nancy boys
If its too hot get out of the kitchen,
oh thats right you already have, bye bye
well thats my spleen vented, back to discussion
Stay true to yourselves and don't sell yourselves short, a team of champions will never beat a champion team
The road will be tough and long, support each other and we will support you.
The longest journey is begun with small steps
PS Company men need not apply for Reps positions thats how I read it.
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From: Oz
Good luck to those at Avalon. I hope they can make it work. The guys down there didn't set out to put Sydney out of business. I think people forget it was GD and the Qantas board who shut them down. You want someone to blame, blame them.
