Arrogant Pilots
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Arrogant Pilots
Why do some pilots,particularly Captains, think the sun shines out thier ass when talking to Lames on the flight interphone.Dont these same pricks remember that the only reason they happen to be flying the aircraft, instead of fixing them, is that they probably had rich silver spoon Daddies to pay for their flying lessons as young blokes.Some of these pricks actually think they are smarter than the average Lame.These same pricks should speak with a lot more respect to Lame's, without forgeting that thier very lives depend on the good work we provide.You may get paid a bit more but always remember that if we f#$k up,we go to jail,whereas if you f#$k up,your in a box.Or pieces of you are anyway.The last time I looked,you can breathe in a jail cell.
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I think someone wants a hug!! Having read your diatribe I get the impression that it's not the pilots in your company that have the problems. For heaven's sake, lighten up, life's too short for this kind of pettiness.
Wanty, you sound like you have a well balanced personality......
A chip on BOTH shoulders!
Lighten up, life's too short.
A chip on BOTH shoulders!
Lighten up, life's too short.
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Be careful....
Wanty, as a LAE I would be looking at having you removed from my crew and given some help before classing you as safe to work on aircraft. It scares me to think that thoses thoughts are in your head and that you can say them, even in jest. If, touch wood nothing ever does, somthing was to go wrong at your maintenance organisation and human error could be to blame, how do you think they would view your mental state?. At present you are a risk to yourself and others, sorry mate, but that is how it is.
As an engineer i have met loads of great pilots and some **** engineers and think it is more down to personality than job spec.
Anyway, dont get mad and have a little laugh by adjusting the harnesses in so that they feel fat everytime they get in and chuckle whilst they make excuses and try to loosen the harnesses without being noticed!
As an engineer i have met loads of great pilots and some **** engineers and think it is more down to personality than job spec.
Anyway, dont get mad and have a little laugh by adjusting the harnesses in so that they feel fat everytime they get in and chuckle whilst they make excuses and try to loosen the harnesses without being noticed!
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I learned quite a few years back that arguing with a pilot over anything concerning the airplane won't get you anywhere. You've got to be professionnal, polite, and if the pilot looses his cool at you like they sometimes do and lacks good behaviour, just give him the released log book with a big smirk on your face and say "have a great day sir!" as you close the door exiting the flight deck. He won't know what hit him and will feel pretty stupid for loosing his cool! Try it, it works, been there quite a few times.
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Sorry guys,
Didn't mean to sound like a danger to anybody,just get a little peed off when someone speaks down to you, when I probably know more about how an aircraft system works than they do.Sure I have met and dealt with many
"geat" pilots, but from now on I will try not to look upon them all with the same eyes due to a few bad apples.So to speak.
As for the state of my mind sounding dangerous,please understand that every task I undertake on aircraft I work on,I always carry out said task under the assumption that my entire family is flying on the aircrafts next flight.Rest assured that this is always my mindset and this will never change.
Incidentally,have spoken to a pilot recently outside of work about this matter and he told me that I should try working with some of these blokes all day and that I have got it easy.
Sorry,but one thing I will never do is call these blokes is "Sir".
Didn't mean to sound like a danger to anybody,just get a little peed off when someone speaks down to you, when I probably know more about how an aircraft system works than they do.Sure I have met and dealt with many
"geat" pilots, but from now on I will try not to look upon them all with the same eyes due to a few bad apples.So to speak.
As for the state of my mind sounding dangerous,please understand that every task I undertake on aircraft I work on,I always carry out said task under the assumption that my entire family is flying on the aircrafts next flight.Rest assured that this is always my mindset and this will never change.
Incidentally,have spoken to a pilot recently outside of work about this matter and he told me that I should try working with some of these blokes all day and that I have got it easy.
Sorry,but one thing I will never do is call these blokes is "Sir".
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Good on you Wanty.
In this day and age nobody should bow down to anybody. Everybody has their job to do. Equal respect to every one.
Except..... female pilots that look like blokes. I find it acceptable to call them "Sir".
In this day and age nobody should bow down to anybody. Everybody has their job to do. Equal respect to every one.
Except..... female pilots that look like blokes. I find it acceptable to call them "Sir".
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As an ex rigger/fitter who found his way to the front end and now occupies the left seat, I can concur with most of what Wanty has said although I don't quite like the tone of his first post. There are pilots who are complete pr**s who do treat Lames with less than the respect due to them. I find that if I talk to them the way I would like to be spoken to, listen to what they tell me and act accordingly, life is really quite agreeable. Trying to second guess Lames was always a bad move; I remember when I was one!
Incidentally, what's wrong with calling us Captain, or even using our names if you know it? I have been called all sorts, I am sure but Chief, Captain, John will all do but please don't call me Sir!
Incidentally, what's wrong with calling us Captain, or even using our names if you know it? I have been called all sorts, I am sure but Chief, Captain, John will all do but please don't call me Sir!
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Sounds like I have pissed off a few people,quite unintentional.
Usually I address both pilots together and just say
"Excuse me fellas...." Most of the time this works just fine.But what I have found now, which seems to work best is to speak to the pilots in the same tone with which they speak to me.Believe me,I do like to speak nice to all people with whom I work.Just recently I had an autopilot snag and had to carry out some BITE checks etc, and was told to just wait outside until I am called.Fine I said,If we have a delay it isnt on my head.Saying this sure seemed to empty at least one seat in the cockpit in record time.
Usually I address both pilots together and just say
"Excuse me fellas...." Most of the time this works just fine.But what I have found now, which seems to work best is to speak to the pilots in the same tone with which they speak to me.Believe me,I do like to speak nice to all people with whom I work.Just recently I had an autopilot snag and had to carry out some BITE checks etc, and was told to just wait outside until I am called.Fine I said,If we have a delay it isnt on my head.Saying this sure seemed to empty at least one seat in the cockpit in record time.
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I usually say to the flight crew "shure, thats fine" and then grab my radio and advise operations that the delay is not maintenance related due to crew request. It seems to perk a whole lot of ears.
I dont mind filling out delay reports, I actually enjoy writing out individuals names, times, dates, part numbers, etc. A delay report with 'Lack of man power' seems to make all sorts of managers b**ch at you for writing it. But thats just me.
I dont mind filling out delay reports, I actually enjoy writing out individuals names, times, dates, part numbers, etc. A delay report with 'Lack of man power' seems to make all sorts of managers b**ch at you for writing it. But thats just me.
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Hi Im sure that the initial post was written in anger and therefore the tone used wasent really intentional. But to say that all pilots had "silverspoon daddies" is just sad, some of us have actually worked our a**es off to get where we are. Me myself would be absolutly useless as an engineer, not really having that magic mechanical fingers, so thats why Im a pilot. That said Im not defending anyone who shows any sort disrespect why talking about here, to me it just sounds ridiculous to "show off" whoŽs actually the boss here.
On the other hand, based on the fact that you engineer guys have more technical knowledge then us pilots, there are situations where I can feel uneasy with a engeenering decision because of my limited technical knowledge. Regarding fault XYZ our books says this and that, but engeenering realeases the plane for dispatch and according to MEL its correct can easily make you feel uneasy when you realise that you dont really know whats going on, and after all you will have to take that airplane up in the air and maybe fly it to a less favourable runway.
Even though the release was correct, there is a source of anxiety and can sometimes cause irritation, especially when some engineers (I say some, far far from everybody) just rushes over the whole procedure and leaves you none the wiser. Delay or not, if I would feel uneasy IŽd try to have the whole thing explained to me, even if that makes me look like a complete idiot in engeenering eyes.
After all, we are working together and not against eachother, most of us are not "silverspoon daddy" types and most of us dont have nothing against engeeners, more like great respect.
Hopefully you get respect by showing respect, hope I havent waster yours time now.
just my two C
/ Duece
please dont jump on me for my less then perfect english, its not my first or even second language.
On the other hand, based on the fact that you engineer guys have more technical knowledge then us pilots, there are situations where I can feel uneasy with a engeenering decision because of my limited technical knowledge. Regarding fault XYZ our books says this and that, but engeenering realeases the plane for dispatch and according to MEL its correct can easily make you feel uneasy when you realise that you dont really know whats going on, and after all you will have to take that airplane up in the air and maybe fly it to a less favourable runway.
Even though the release was correct, there is a source of anxiety and can sometimes cause irritation, especially when some engineers (I say some, far far from everybody) just rushes over the whole procedure and leaves you none the wiser. Delay or not, if I would feel uneasy IŽd try to have the whole thing explained to me, even if that makes me look like a complete idiot in engeenering eyes.
After all, we are working together and not against eachother, most of us are not "silverspoon daddy" types and most of us dont have nothing against engeeners, more like great respect.
Hopefully you get respect by showing respect, hope I havent waster yours time now.
just my two C
/ Duece
please dont jump on me for my less then perfect english, its not my first or even second language.
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Sounds like you've recovered nicely from your initial ambiguous post.
Yeah, some of them are pricks... but that's true of most groups of people. Just rember the liability that they have to accept as the Captain of an aircraft. No different to most peoples jobs in aviation, but none the less they will be the ones hung out to dry when it goes wrong.
Having said that, trust in your skills and those of your supervisors... if it is bad, make a call and stick to your guns. If the aircrew are rude and arrogant, wonder why they feel the need to belittle people like yourself.
Sounds like you've recovered nicely from your initial ambiguous post.
Yeah, some of them are pricks... but that's true of most groups of people. Just rember the liability that they have to accept as the Captain of an aircraft. No different to most peoples jobs in aviation, but none the less they will be the ones hung out to dry when it goes wrong.
Having said that, trust in your skills and those of your supervisors... if it is bad, make a call and stick to your guns. If the aircrew are rude and arrogant, wonder why they feel the need to belittle people like yourself.
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Seems like I must be working for the wrong airline.Do wish more pilots with your attitude worked for my airline,we'd all probably get along much better.Admittedly my first post was posted after a particularly bad day when it seemed like most of the captains spoke to me like I was just a pleb.
I do realise that quite a lot of you actually had to work for ****ty freighter companies etc,to build your hours up, before being accepted,but do wish to ask these people to not forget thier roots.
Seems like I must be working for the wrong airline.Do wish more pilots with your attitude worked for my airline,we'd all probably get along much better.Admittedly my first post was posted after a particularly bad day when it seemed like most of the captains spoke to me like I was just a pleb.
I do realise that quite a lot of you actually had to work for ****ty freighter companies etc,to build your hours up, before being accepted,but do wish to ask these people to not forget thier roots.
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Cant honestly say ive met a proper arrogant pilot yet in my job. one or two that can be full of their own imporatnce, but harmless none the less.
I have met a few arrogant engineers while i was an apprentice!
Quote "Jar 66 is easier than BACR, your not a real engineer you didnt do an oral!" Yeh, ok im a young LAE, dont shoot me for it!
Most pilots are more than helpful and just let us get on with fixing the plane at our place. you get operational stresses of course, but were all big boys and girls , just part of the job!
Cheers
Stu.
I have met a few arrogant engineers while i was an apprentice!
Quote "Jar 66 is easier than BACR, your not a real engineer you didnt do an oral!" Yeh, ok im a young LAE, dont shoot me for it!
Most pilots are more than helpful and just let us get on with fixing the plane at our place. you get operational stresses of course, but were all big boys and girls , just part of the job!
Cheers
Stu.