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Engineers Salary
Firstly before i am hunted by the administrators, i apologise for posting two threads next to eachother, it wasnt until i had posted the first thread that i realised i needed to ask this question.
I have just began an Aerospace Engineering Mechanical BTEC Higher National Diploma which will last 2 years, after that i will recieve my JAR66 licence and then go to Newcastle Avaition Academy to do their degree course.
My question is, wiht these qualifications what sort of salary can an engineer expect to recieve.
I have recently converted from wanting to be a pilot to an engineer and do not know much about the salary etc so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot guys and girls
I have just began an Aerospace Engineering Mechanical BTEC Higher National Diploma which will last 2 years, after that i will recieve my JAR66 licence and then go to Newcastle Avaition Academy to do their degree course.
My question is, wiht these qualifications what sort of salary can an engineer expect to recieve.
I have recently converted from wanting to be a pilot to an engineer and do not know much about the salary etc so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot guys and girls
If you look on the Engineering Council (or whatever they're called this week)'s website they annually publish a very useful (in pay negotiations!) salary survey giving distributions for different levels of qualifications in different sectors of Engineering. That should give you a fair idea.
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The Engineering council website is at http://www.engc.org.uk/, I'm afraid that the various reports are usually stored in tortuously large .pdf files. Best thing I find is to set them downloading then go and put the kettle on or have a shower.
Also worth, just for kicks, reading the incredibly feeble excuses given on there under "why isn't the title Engineer protected in the UK".
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Also worth, just for kicks, reading the incredibly feeble excuses given on there under "why isn't the title Engineer protected in the UK".
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There's a salary survey for aircraft 'engineers' at http://www.airemploy.co.uk/salary_survey.asp
Seems to be current.
Seems to be current.
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Hey MM,
Why do the uni degree.......
I was also a squaddy d
k once upon a time then I saw the light.
Managed to move from rotary to fixed wing and I'm happy with my 33k ta very much....
Make a realistic plan and stick to it then take these 3 easy steps:
1. Get out
2. Get your licence
3. Get your dream job...
Steps 1 and 2 may be changed if reqd.
Good luck marra (Only applicable as long as you're not a crab dk)
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Why do the uni degree.......
I was also a squaddy d
k once upon a time then I saw the light.Managed to move from rotary to fixed wing and I'm happy with my 33k ta very much....
Make a realistic plan and stick to it then take these 3 easy steps:
1. Get out
2. Get your licence
3. Get your dream job...
Steps 1 and 2 may be changed if reqd.
Good luck marra (Only applicable as long as you're not a crab d
k)Bodjit
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This is an interesting topic.
As an approved JAR 66 B1 holder,you could expect to earn up to 46K in my airline,plus an extra 5-10K with a bit of overtime.As I have no idea,how does that compare to the 'real' engineer's Genghis?
As an approved JAR 66 B1 holder,you could expect to earn up to 46K in my airline,plus an extra 5-10K with a bit of overtime.As I have no idea,how does that compare to the 'real' engineer's Genghis?
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I like eng123 am a Jar 66 B1 licence holder and earn pretty much the same so the options are there for a reasonable standard of living within the industry.
The drawback is that you are expected to get off you butt and give a bit in return but this is only natural.
Earnings last year topped over 55k with wasnt too bad for someone without a degree in an industry that some would have you believe is essential to allowing yourself to be called an "Engineer".
How much does a degree holding all encompassing "Engineer" pick up in this business as the majority of ones I have met are very candid over this and just about everything else they get/give to the industry?
Just a question, maybe Ghengis can provide the answer, He seems to know lots
The drawback is that you are expected to get off you butt and give a bit in return but this is only natural.
Earnings last year topped over 55k with wasnt too bad for someone without a degree in an industry that some would have you believe is essential to allowing yourself to be called an "Engineer".
How much does a degree holding all encompassing "Engineer" pick up in this business as the majority of ones I have met are very candid over this and just about everything else they get/give to the industry?
Just a question, maybe Ghengis can provide the answer, He seems to know lots
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ghengis.....oh ...please....please...do take the bait..
we all do love your banter it really does make good reading.
in your eyes i am not a real engineer,but who cares you can call me AIRPLANE FIX IT BOD.but almost 70k as a licenced connie i laugh when my manager complains that i earn more than him...
ha ,ha,ha.
we all do love your banter it really does make good reading.
in your eyes i am not a real engineer,but who cares you can call me AIRPLANE FIX IT BOD.but almost 70k as a licenced connie i laugh when my manager complains that i earn more than him...
ha ,ha,ha.
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Viewed from the outside, UK continues its inexorable decline; the nation seems obsessed with trivia and luvvies. Hardly anything truly productive happens there anymore. As I write this I can see a view over the former De Havilland works at Hatfield. Cheap & nasty timber frame housing sold at exhorbitant prices, a few warehouses and the HQ of a mobile phone company are a poor substitute for the loss of almost an entire industry.
As the technicians above gloat over their vastly inflated salary claims I reflect that its no wonder all the really productive 'wealth creators' like my brother, migrate to countries where their talents are truly appreciated. How do we relate the claimed 55K for an aircraft maintenance technician to my brother's 45K for a PhD in Civil Engineering? No wonder Dr. Blacksheep went abroad to continue his career of designing and building power stations.
Meanwhile the rail links between London and Scotland are cut and whole boroughs of the capital city have been without water for 5 days. Engineers. who needs them?
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As the technicians above gloat over their vastly inflated salary claims I reflect that its no wonder all the really productive 'wealth creators' like my brother, migrate to countries where their talents are truly appreciated. How do we relate the claimed 55K for an aircraft maintenance technician to my brother's 45K for a PhD in Civil Engineering? No wonder Dr. Blacksheep went abroad to continue his career of designing and building power stations.
Meanwhile the rail links between London and Scotland are cut and whole boroughs of the capital city have been without water for 5 days. Engineers. who needs them?
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blacksheep
you are quite correct in your observation about the uk not apprecaiting talented engineers,
i do sympathize with your brothers low pay,but i am afraid it's horses for courses,i am sure he does not work nights,weekends,christmas day,news years day,in the rain,in the snow,in the cold,whilst having to meet a high degree of safety, as well as meeting an on time departure.
gloating i was not, my pay packet reflects my professional qualifications and the experience gained over 20 years.
i do not need a P:H
. in aeroplane repair,but if needed i am sure most of the technicians (as you call us)are quite capable of gaining the level of academia of your self or your brother.
like your brother i have also left the uk to work overseas,reason being i earn more overseas and get treated as a professional and i dont get looked down upon because i wear overalls at work by some young jumped up university kid with no experience but has a P.H.D..
you are quite correct in your observation about the uk not apprecaiting talented engineers,
i do sympathize with your brothers low pay,but i am afraid it's horses for courses,i am sure he does not work nights,weekends,christmas day,news years day,in the rain,in the snow,in the cold,whilst having to meet a high degree of safety, as well as meeting an on time departure.
gloating i was not, my pay packet reflects my professional qualifications and the experience gained over 20 years.
i do not need a P:H
. in aeroplane repair,but if needed i am sure most of the technicians (as you call us)are quite capable of gaining the level of academia of your self or your brother.like your brother i have also left the uk to work overseas,reason being i earn more overseas and get treated as a professional and i dont get looked down upon because i wear overalls at work by some young jumped up university kid with no experience but has a P.H.D..
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Very well said egg man...
There are far to many people out there that base their worth on the fact that they have a degree. All that means is that they are capable of learning and someone had the means to pay for it.
Those of us who fix the airplanes are probably one of the most underated trades in the world. They think of us as mechanics, technicians, etc. Truthfully, we have to be more to be succesfull. We have to know more about the machine than those who fly it, we must also know how it works better than those who designed it. Why are we worth (but not necessarily paid) the big bucks?? Think about it...
So, for people to think we are just dumb grunts, well you should wake up and smell the coffee...
Phil
There are far to many people out there that base their worth on the fact that they have a degree. All that means is that they are capable of learning and someone had the means to pay for it.
Those of us who fix the airplanes are probably one of the most underated trades in the world. They think of us as mechanics, technicians, etc. Truthfully, we have to be more to be succesfull. We have to know more about the machine than those who fly it, we must also know how it works better than those who designed it. Why are we worth (but not necessarily paid) the big bucks?? Think about it...
So, for people to think we are just dumb grunts, well you should wake up and smell the coffee...
Phil
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Mmm, the coffee smells good.
I don't have a degree in engineering.
I did get my licence before the egg man was born - I still have it too.
My point is that engineering is a profession. As in lesser professions such as medicine, law and beancounting, new entrants generally start at the bottom and work their way up. Some may have a degree but they usually spend plenty of time on the shop floor getting practical experience before moving on to jobs where their academic training can be used to full advantage. I know of no case where a new graduate has entered the profession in a managerial or even supervisory position.
As regards salary and benefits, if the most experienced and best qualified practitioners at the top of a profession (and no, I don't include myself in that lofty band), are not well respected, that will reflect not only on their own salaries but right down through the layers to the new entrants. That is currently the case with engineering where, despite control of corporate activity being under the so-called financial experts, it is the engineers who take the blame for failures and thus suffer from low public regard.
Admittedly the effects of ill-considered cost cutting are also beginning to be felt in other fields. (I do enjoy that advert where the bean counter is told that his dream means there are no more costs to be cut and he should try production instead.)
The world as we know it was developed by those with a flair for improving things - it was the mechanically minded cavemen that built a better fireplace, made a better spear point and so on... The guys painting the walls, chanting to the gods and organizing the war parties were no doubt very useful too, but it was the mechanical men and women that dragged humanity into civilisation. For some reason, engineers are their own worst enemy, wasting time arguing among themselves about who is the most useful. In truth we are all needed, but it is the men and women who develop new things and thereby create wealth that are the most useful. Mending things or keeping the wheels turning smoothly is all very well, but it is innovation that contributes the most to human development. When we stop rewarding those who create new wealth our society goes into decline.
Think about it - what is the big difference between the era of those other great engineers Watt, Stevenson, Brunel and the present day?
Apart from the absence of LAMEs that is...
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I don't have a degree in engineering.
I did get my licence before the egg man was born - I still have it too.
My point is that engineering is a profession. As in lesser professions such as medicine, law and beancounting, new entrants generally start at the bottom and work their way up. Some may have a degree but they usually spend plenty of time on the shop floor getting practical experience before moving on to jobs where their academic training can be used to full advantage. I know of no case where a new graduate has entered the profession in a managerial or even supervisory position.
As regards salary and benefits, if the most experienced and best qualified practitioners at the top of a profession (and no, I don't include myself in that lofty band), are not well respected, that will reflect not only on their own salaries but right down through the layers to the new entrants. That is currently the case with engineering where, despite control of corporate activity being under the so-called financial experts, it is the engineers who take the blame for failures and thus suffer from low public regard.
Admittedly the effects of ill-considered cost cutting are also beginning to be felt in other fields. (I do enjoy that advert where the bean counter is told that his dream means there are no more costs to be cut and he should try production instead.)
The world as we know it was developed by those with a flair for improving things - it was the mechanically minded cavemen that built a better fireplace, made a better spear point and so on... The guys painting the walls, chanting to the gods and organizing the war parties were no doubt very useful too, but it was the mechanical men and women that dragged humanity into civilisation. For some reason, engineers are their own worst enemy, wasting time arguing among themselves about who is the most useful. In truth we are all needed, but it is the men and women who develop new things and thereby create wealth that are the most useful. Mending things or keeping the wheels turning smoothly is all very well, but it is innovation that contributes the most to human development. When we stop rewarding those who create new wealth our society goes into decline.
Think about it - what is the big difference between the era of those other great engineers Watt, Stevenson, Brunel and the present day?
Apart from the absence of LAMEs that is...
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Really?
Referring to the salary survey published via the AirMech website (unless a 'Duty Engineer' isn't what he used to be) there's no-one making anywhere near 46 thousand a year. The average works out at around 36 thousand which sounds more like the truth somehow. At 51K to 56K Gross there would hardly be a shortage of LAEs - given that it beats deep sea diving (average 60K) in working conditions and safety for example. 
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