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Good discussion and one that is close to my heart. Whilst readbacks are jammed down our throat on training as an ATCO I feel for the average Joe Blow who does not know what to readback. It has already been brought up, but perhaps the flying schools can teach it right but on the other hand perhaps ATC can help get it right. I had a guy in the circuit the other day who kept giving me downwind calls as well as base calls, got a bit annoying. He was a solo student in a C172 so at no time at all did I give him the impression that I was P/O with him, however when he finish I started to think if I don't bring this to his attention then he will think it is right and continue to do so and perhaps next time he is in the circuit and the controller has gotten up on the wrong side of bed and the controllers tone might be obvious and effect this guy so that he becomes nervous with ATC, so I got him to ring me. 15 minutes later we were chatting he was happy with the ATC contact and he has not done it since. Simple.
Capt Claret -
"060 to intecept" I will also endevour to give 070, thanks for the feedback. In the ATC world we basically use a 25 - 30 degree cut hence the 060.
I never insist on a readback of "to intercept". If I heard a controller insisting on a readback I would, as a supervisor, be having a chat to him or her. I agree if it gets up your nose do something about it.
BTW "pilot intercept" is no longer around it is "060 to intercept...."
"Behind the B737 on final rwy 11, line up behind" big deal we will get used to it and pilots will as well.
Question - It is raining aircraft and foreign charter heavy aircraft has been given the instruction "taxi to holding point (#) runway (#).." and this holds him short of the main runway (which he has to cross at some time) do other controllers or for that fact other pilots that are on final for that runway feel a hell of a lot better when the phrase "hold short rwy #" is included and a readback is insisted on. I can tell you I make sure of it. I have seen some very scary potential stuff happen.......
cheers.
Capt Claret -
"060 to intecept" I will also endevour to give 070, thanks for the feedback. In the ATC world we basically use a 25 - 30 degree cut hence the 060.
I never insist on a readback of "to intercept". If I heard a controller insisting on a readback I would, as a supervisor, be having a chat to him or her. I agree if it gets up your nose do something about it.
BTW "pilot intercept" is no longer around it is "060 to intercept...."
"Behind the B737 on final rwy 11, line up behind" big deal we will get used to it and pilots will as well.
Question - It is raining aircraft and foreign charter heavy aircraft has been given the instruction "taxi to holding point (#) runway (#).." and this holds him short of the main runway (which he has to cross at some time) do other controllers or for that fact other pilots that are on final for that runway feel a hell of a lot better when the phrase "hold short rwy #" is included and a readback is insisted on. I can tell you I make sure of it. I have seen some very scary potential stuff happen.......
cheers.
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Yes, bay number with clearance/PDC readback is now a requirement at YSSY - a NOTAM came out about 6 or 12 months ago. Which begs the question: how many variations do we need on something as simple as a PDC readback?
Yes, bay number with clearance/PDC readback is now a requirement at YSSY - a NOTAM came out about 6 or 12 months ago. Which begs the question: how many variations do we need on something as simple as a PDC readback?
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The galah has been aroused
Pharknose
Not quite sure of your point, mate. Have a listen at any major airports here and you will find myriads of accents and variations, and the traffic flows just as well as anywhere else.
ATIS before POB - who gives a flying ....
Airway clearances - handed out a hundred or so just the other day.
And what is this preoccupation with sand!! Is it because we actually have some?
Conditional clearances have been around here ever since Pontius was a pilot - nothing new there.
My original post referred to our officially sanctioned bastardisation of a perfectly (and probably internationally recognised) straight forward phase. I don't think Her Maj would take to kindly to having two behinds in one sentence. Is that the concise English to which you refer? Now that is rediculous (sic).
Thanks for the wind up tho - it got me back on the first page!!
CG over and out.
Pharknose
Not quite sure of your point, mate. Have a listen at any major airports here and you will find myriads of accents and variations, and the traffic flows just as well as anywhere else.
ATIS before POB - who gives a flying ....
Airway clearances - handed out a hundred or so just the other day.
And what is this preoccupation with sand!! Is it because we actually have some?
Conditional clearances have been around here ever since Pontius was a pilot - nothing new there.
My original post referred to our officially sanctioned bastardisation of a perfectly (and probably internationally recognised) straight forward phase. I don't think Her Maj would take to kindly to having two behinds in one sentence. Is that the concise English to which you refer? Now that is rediculous (sic).
Thanks for the wind up tho - it got me back on the first page!!
CG over and out.
What the Phark?
Interesting post Phark nose. 
Tupela, I take your points but as an Instructor, circuit ops in C airspace give rise to some interesting issues. What airfield are you talking about?
Tupela, I take your points but as an Instructor, circuit ops in C airspace give rise to some interesting issues. What airfield are you talking about?
