Aussies Flying O/S-Tax Law Amendment
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Messiah the greenies may get it up in exchange for Telstra!
It will depend on how much you earn.......there may be some form of "Fart" tax relief!
It will depend on how much you earn.......there may be some form of "Fart" tax relief!
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In the examples in m the opening post, both Sheila, the airline pilot, and Frank the helicopter pilot, are Australian residents. What is the ATO's definition of a resident?
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P40
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P40 check out the ATO web site, it explains all about the resident issue.
It will be interesting to see how this is policed if you were not perm based in Oz. Even though the ATO will have more people working for it than the entire Australian Defence force in a couple of years, I still think this will be hard to keep track of. It would be interesting to see how they would work out what tax would be needed to be paid.
It will be interesting to see how this is policed if you were not perm based in Oz. Even though the ATO will have more people working for it than the entire Australian Defence force in a couple of years, I still think this will be hard to keep track of. It would be interesting to see how they would work out what tax would be needed to be paid.
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Sopwith Pup, it isn't anger that runs through these veins, just sheer frustration at the stupidity and myopic approach of the ATO....and my golf buddy who is a QF 400 FO disputes your claim....sorry mate but I do have a lot of exposure to pilots from the rat.
ps exalted firms they are not ...they are scratching for some loot like all of us and can be very competitive if you push them....plus they save you a sh.t load in tax....yeah no pun intended...at least they used to!
ps exalted firms they are not ...they are scratching for some loot like all of us and can be very competitive if you push them....plus they save you a sh.t load in tax....yeah no pun intended...at least they used to!
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Dont underestimate they ATO. They are hooked into immigration. Simply call up all those claiming non-residency, cross check with those that are in Oz for more than 60 days, send out the 'please explains'. Put the onus on you. They are good at that.
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If you are non-resident, then as i understand it, you will not have to file a tax return. So the only way the ATO will find someone who is not filing a return, would be to investigate everyone that has spent more than 60 days in the country. Not impossible, but a hell of a task!
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I have to agree with the old pup , there has been no concerted effort by an organised group of QF pilots.
Sure there have been a small minded few who couldn't stand the thought of someone getting some benefit that they can't get, part of Australian human nature and not admirable at that.
As said before there has only been minor discussion on the subject, we have had a lot of industrial concerns bubbling away in the last two years to worry much about how lucky OZ CX pilots are with their pay and tax situation.
Ask your 400 mate about 767 problems, reduction of classic crews, DPA, super surcharge, new types and who may fly them. (most sorted out now). Those subjects were much more prominent in our bar talk, that is after woman and booze!
I have to agree with the old pup , there has been no concerted effort by an organised group of QF pilots.
Sure there have been a small minded few who couldn't stand the thought of someone getting some benefit that they can't get, part of Australian human nature and not admirable at that.
As said before there has only been minor discussion on the subject, we have had a lot of industrial concerns bubbling away in the last two years to worry much about how lucky OZ CX pilots are with their pay and tax situation.
Ask your 400 mate about 767 problems, reduction of classic crews, DPA, super surcharge, new types and who may fly them. (most sorted out now). Those subjects were much more prominent in our bar talk, that is after woman and booze!
Last edited by Offchocks; 27th Jul 2002 at 23:16.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
From the examples the ATO has given ("XXXX is a pilot" - not an "overseas worker") my guess is that ALL pilots are going to come under the Oz Tax Department's spotlight at the end of this financial year.
druckmefunk reckons that "the only way the ATO will find someone who is not filing a return, would be to investigate everyone that has spent more than 60 days in the country, but I disagree, the search can be narrowed very quickly by simply checking on pilots - remember, your occupation is one of the parameters the Immigration people have on each individual's profile.
As a non-resident Australian citizen earning income o/s you are REQUIRED to pay tax in the country in which you are obtaining that income - OR pay Aussie tax!
Our system is still FAR better than that of the YANKS. Ask 'em.
Anyway it seems the warning shots have been fired for those who think they have been evading tax. There's still time to declare your position to the ATO now, and avoid risking SEVERE penalties (and a lot of stress) down the track.
druckmefunk reckons that "the only way the ATO will find someone who is not filing a return, would be to investigate everyone that has spent more than 60 days in the country, but I disagree, the search can be narrowed very quickly by simply checking on pilots - remember, your occupation is one of the parameters the Immigration people have on each individual's profile.
As a non-resident Australian citizen earning income o/s you are REQUIRED to pay tax in the country in which you are obtaining that income - OR pay Aussie tax!
Our system is still FAR better than that of the YANKS. Ask 'em.
Anyway it seems the warning shots have been fired for those who think they have been evading tax. There's still time to declare your position to the ATO now, and avoid risking SEVERE penalties (and a lot of stress) down the track.
Studentwang......no sense in sugar coating it! Just say it like you mean it.
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OK, so all the airlines like CX who have Oz based pilots simply stop giving any of them either layover days or rostered days off/earned time off more than 50 for days worked. In order to make up for the lost days, they increase the pilot's annual leave allocation.
Each time you finish a duty cycle, you apply for and take annual leave to ensure that you don't stay in the country for more than say 50 days cumulatively as rostered days off. The rest is all annual leave. 110 days annual leave + 50 rostered days off could give you 160 days in Oz tax free.
Seems like it shouldn't be too difficult to fix.
LE
Each time you finish a duty cycle, you apply for and take annual leave to ensure that you don't stay in the country for more than say 50 days cumulatively as rostered days off. The rest is all annual leave. 110 days annual leave + 50 rostered days off could give you 160 days in Oz tax free.
Seems like it shouldn't be too difficult to fix.
LE
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
"110 days annual leave.." 
Yeah - right!!
From the statement, I believe the Deputy Commissioner has indicated 42 days annual leave as an example (probably because he is a public servant), when in reality it is often a lot less than that - although the girls and boys at Virgin Blue are fortunate enough to get it!
Additionally he has nominated a further 61 days as an "acceptable" number over and above the a/l entitlement. Total=103 days.
Personally, I believe the 61 days is a "try-on"!!
365-42=323, which is 46 weeks. In each 7 day period, the average (non-shift) worker gets 2 days off, giving 92 OFF days in the 46 weeks.
A staggering 50% MORE than the ATO has conceded at this time for pilots, who work "odd hours" and public holidays.
Time for the AFAP to present a submission on behalf of their overseas members, methinks.
And for the Federation to have "teeth" they need the support of pilots such as yourselves.
Yeah - right!!
From the statement, I believe the Deputy Commissioner has indicated 42 days annual leave as an example (probably because he is a public servant), when in reality it is often a lot less than that - although the girls and boys at Virgin Blue are fortunate enough to get it!
Additionally he has nominated a further 61 days as an "acceptable" number over and above the a/l entitlement. Total=103 days.
Personally, I believe the 61 days is a "try-on"!!
365-42=323, which is 46 weeks. In each 7 day period, the average (non-shift) worker gets 2 days off, giving 92 OFF days in the 46 weeks.
A staggering 50% MORE than the ATO has conceded at this time for pilots, who work "odd hours" and public holidays.
Time for the AFAP to present a submission on behalf of their overseas members, methinks.
And for the Federation to have "teeth" they need the support of pilots such as yourselves.
