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Well this is Kendell and Hazelton's new name. Together with a CR designed uniform. The scheme will be white with a couple of flashes on the tail, possibly Ocher and blue.
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REX?
I had a dog called "REX", darn thing used to dig holes and crap everywhere!!!
Had to have it put down!!!
T-REX? Well it didn't last, couldn't cope with change apparently!
"WRECKS?".....well there's OLM.....won't be flying for a while! And there's a couple outside the KD hangar that aren't airworthy too!
Stories about 2 more ZL SF3's that may have been possessed? Or Re-possessed?
No AOC transfer yet!!!
Agreements on airports sorted out?
Staff in Cowboy suits?
Then there's the Enterprise Bullying Agreements, sign here or sign off!
Sounds like someone is carving a path......right to that little door at the rear that says....
"EMERGENCY EXIT"
Better check the FAT LADY'S itinerary.....she may be playing on a stage near you!
I had a dog called "REX", darn thing used to dig holes and crap everywhere!!!
Had to have it put down!!!
T-REX? Well it didn't last, couldn't cope with change apparently!
"WRECKS?".....well there's OLM.....won't be flying for a while! And there's a couple outside the KD hangar that aren't airworthy too!
Stories about 2 more ZL SF3's that may have been possessed? Or Re-possessed?
No AOC transfer yet!!!
Agreements on airports sorted out?
Staff in Cowboy suits?
Then there's the Enterprise Bullying Agreements, sign here or sign off!
Sounds like someone is carving a path......right to that little door at the rear that says....
"EMERGENCY EXIT"
Better check the FAT LADY'S itinerary.....she may be playing on a stage near you!
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Ex_One,
Take the money and run! Or can we assume you already have by the handle.
Under the new EBA the boy's will have to think hard about a shiny new pair of RM's to match the cowboy outfit!
Take the money and run! Or can we assume you already have by the handle.
Under the new EBA the boy's will have to think hard about a shiny new pair of RM's to match the cowboy outfit!
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its only logic
the old saying goes if you cant beat then join then. its one way of making money in a deal that may be taken over after it gets its feet back in the air. blue express sound more like the new name after it gets taken over. lets get the crstal abll out and see.
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ABC News Online
Posted: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 7:47 AEST
Pilots won't lose out under enterprise agreements: Australiawide
Australiawide Airlines says no pilots will be disadvantaged under new enterprise bargaining agreements.
The Australian Federation of Air Pilots is opposed to the agreements, which they say do not protect the rights of long-term employees.
The matter was before the Australian Industrial Relations Commission (IRC) last Friday and needs to be resolved before the sale of Hazleton and Kendell is finalised on Monday.
Australiawide spokesman Armon Hicks says it is up to the union and administrator to resolve the issue.
"We weren't a party to the matter in the IRC, that was a matter between the administrator and the pilots, they actually own the airline at the moment, we don't - we won't be responsible for those kind of decisions until after settlement," he said.
Meanwhile, reports today say the new airline will be known as Regional Express, or REX, but Mr Hicks will not reveal the name.
Posted: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 7:47 AEST
Pilots won't lose out under enterprise agreements: Australiawide
Australiawide Airlines says no pilots will be disadvantaged under new enterprise bargaining agreements.
The Australian Federation of Air Pilots is opposed to the agreements, which they say do not protect the rights of long-term employees.
The matter was before the Australian Industrial Relations Commission (IRC) last Friday and needs to be resolved before the sale of Hazleton and Kendell is finalised on Monday.
Australiawide spokesman Armon Hicks says it is up to the union and administrator to resolve the issue.
"We weren't a party to the matter in the IRC, that was a matter between the administrator and the pilots, they actually own the airline at the moment, we don't - we won't be responsible for those kind of decisions until after settlement," he said.
Meanwhile, reports today say the new airline will be known as Regional Express, or REX, but Mr Hicks will not reveal the name.
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Well......After 10 months they have finally made a decision......ALL CRJ AND SOME VERY SENIOR TURBO-PROP DRIVERS CAN P$SS OFF!!
Very very poor performance.
Despite a valiant effort from the AFAP, that is the result. (some IRC hearings pending)
I haven't spoken to any of the engineering boys and girls but I sure hope they didn't get the same rogering as the pilots.
I for one will NOT be signing the AWA EBA, as what protection do I have in the future, if this is how they intend to play the game.
I plead with all Kendell/Hazelton pilots to consider the coming decisions with respect to the future as well as the present.
That F/O slot might look good today, but is that where you want to be in 10 years. There are now a lot of guys with Saab COMMAND ratings looking for work. AWA have now shown their true colours. They will hire THEM for the next command position rather than pay the training cost for the F/O's upgrade.
That is the new industrial relations environment we work in.
Very very poor performance.
Despite a valiant effort from the AFAP, that is the result. (some IRC hearings pending)
I haven't spoken to any of the engineering boys and girls but I sure hope they didn't get the same rogering as the pilots.
I for one will NOT be signing the AWA EBA, as what protection do I have in the future, if this is how they intend to play the game.
I plead with all Kendell/Hazelton pilots to consider the coming decisions with respect to the future as well as the present.
That F/O slot might look good today, but is that where you want to be in 10 years. There are now a lot of guys with Saab COMMAND ratings looking for work. AWA have now shown their true colours. They will hire THEM for the next command position rather than pay the training cost for the F/O's upgrade.
That is the new industrial relations environment we work in.
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It is unfortunate that 50 odd CRJ pilots have lost there jobs, but if is wasnt them it would of been 50 odd turbo prop guys/gals.
Why is it that a new company would have to pay for all the retraining when they have most of the required crew alredy operating.
T-bone, I myself would be looking very hard at your decision. As I understand if you do not agree to the EA (no B as there was no bargaining) then you can probably kiss the airline good by for good. Yes it may go back to the Administrator for the next bidder (if they are still around), but chances are that they will be offering worse of conditions and the same gripes about retraining as AWA have.
I have freinds who have lost their jobs and it is upsetting, but for the future of REX everyone has to try and take the positives and make it a good solid Job for the future.
Why is it that a new company would have to pay for all the retraining when they have most of the required crew alredy operating.
T-bone, I myself would be looking very hard at your decision. As I understand if you do not agree to the EA (no B as there was no bargaining) then you can probably kiss the airline good by for good. Yes it may go back to the Administrator for the next bidder (if they are still around), but chances are that they will be offering worse of conditions and the same gripes about retraining as AWA have.
I have freinds who have lost their jobs and it is upsetting, but for the future of REX everyone has to try and take the positives and make it a good solid Job for the future.
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Sack the senior CRJ pilots rather than the junior Turbo-Prop pilots? I guess it all depends on where you sit on the list now doesn't it!
Remember all the whinging that went on, (mainly from turbo prop employees) regarding the upgrade of the 6 CRJ F/O's to Commands.
The whole aim of that exercise was to save KD money by promoting more of its own pilots quickly (under the EBA and in seniority). This in turn reduced the numbers of CRJ Contract Captains hence saving the company huge dollars!
All sorts of threats of legal action, name calling (yes the SC#B word) and personal threats were thrown at those 6 guys. All because certain pilots APPARENTLY believed it wasn't allowed as per the EBA. Certain pilots believed that those 6 pilots were taking THEIR jobs.
Now when the shoe is on the other foot it is those SAME people who think that rightful EBA entitlements should be forgotten!
Hypocrisy at it's finest!
Remember all the whinging that went on, (mainly from turbo prop employees) regarding the upgrade of the 6 CRJ F/O's to Commands.
The whole aim of that exercise was to save KD money by promoting more of its own pilots quickly (under the EBA and in seniority). This in turn reduced the numbers of CRJ Contract Captains hence saving the company huge dollars!
All sorts of threats of legal action, name calling (yes the SC#B word) and personal threats were thrown at those 6 guys. All because certain pilots APPARENTLY believed it wasn't allowed as per the EBA. Certain pilots believed that those 6 pilots were taking THEIR jobs.
Now when the shoe is on the other foot it is those SAME people who think that rightful EBA entitlements should be forgotten!
Hypocrisy at it's finest!
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I would like to think that, at the least, all retrenched pilots are to be offered any new pilot jobs first.
Realistically speaking, there never was a real chance that all the CRJ guys would be retrained and current operating crews fired. We heard that the bill for this training would exceed $4M.
Realistically speaking, there never was a real chance that all the CRJ guys would be retrained and current operating crews fired. We heard that the bill for this training would exceed $4M.
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mustafagander,
The $4M was a figure plucked out of the air by M & M. History has shown how accurate and skillful those accountants are now hasn't it! A far more accurate and cheaper figure was worked out by KD's own pilot body and presented to the AFAP.
If AWA is going to insist on the compulsory redundany of the remaining CRJ drivers then this may be the next best thing. Just don't forget to include their original seniority number on them being re-employed.
FACT: ALL pilots new to KD joined under an EBA which clearly states the requirements for retraining of senior pilots if the airline reduces it's operations.
FACT: The EBA also states that a pilot whose service is terminated due to redundacy or who terminates service whilst under notice of termination due to redundancy in order to take up alternative duties as a pilot shall maintain their respective seniority position and priority for re-employment with the Company for 5 YEARS or until offered re-employment, which is subsequently rejected by the pilot, whichever shall occur first.
ANY pilot who is lucky enough to remain employed over a more senior pilot should never have the mistaken belief that it is RIGHTFULLY their job!
The $4M was a figure plucked out of the air by M & M. History has shown how accurate and skillful those accountants are now hasn't it! A far more accurate and cheaper figure was worked out by KD's own pilot body and presented to the AFAP.
I would like to think that, at the least, all retrenched pilots are to be offered any new pilot jobs first.
FACT: ALL pilots new to KD joined under an EBA which clearly states the requirements for retraining of senior pilots if the airline reduces it's operations.
FACT: The EBA also states that a pilot whose service is terminated due to redundacy or who terminates service whilst under notice of termination due to redundancy in order to take up alternative duties as a pilot shall maintain their respective seniority position and priority for re-employment with the Company for 5 YEARS or until offered re-employment, which is subsequently rejected by the pilot, whichever shall occur first.
ANY pilot who is lucky enough to remain employed over a more senior pilot should never have the mistaken belief that it is RIGHTFULLY their job!
Riddler,
While I feel deeply for the CRJ guys (some of whom are friends and acquaintances), retraining was never going to happen unless it was free. Real politik says that the new owners would not pay to train new pilots when there are pilots already in place. If necessary, they would let the airline fail, then pick up the pieces they want.
I know the deal is a "transmission of business" and EBAs carry over, but I'll bet plenty that without a deal on retraining it won't happen - not the faintest chance.
BTW, what was the training cost estimate by AFAP?
I believe priority for employment is as much as can be expected, unfortunately.
While I feel deeply for the CRJ guys (some of whom are friends and acquaintances), retraining was never going to happen unless it was free. Real politik says that the new owners would not pay to train new pilots when there are pilots already in place. If necessary, they would let the airline fail, then pick up the pieces they want.
I know the deal is a "transmission of business" and EBAs carry over, but I'll bet plenty that without a deal on retraining it won't happen - not the faintest chance.
BTW, what was the training cost estimate by AFAP?
I believe priority for employment is as much as can be expected, unfortunately.
