2 Aircraft Collide @ Darwin
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Midday ABC Radio news, advised that a pilot hand swung the prop to start 'his' aircraft, which had 3 children on board. The engine started and the aircraft 'took off' with the pilot running along side.
It clipped a 'metro 10' and a cessna and got airborne before hitting another aircraft and coming to rest.
One child has a suspected broken collarbone, no other injuries reported.
It clipped a 'metro 10' and a cessna and got airborne before hitting another aircraft and coming to rest.
One child has a suspected broken collarbone, no other injuries reported.
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It seems our favourite sky pilot has had a serious lapse in judgement.
Wayward C182 has clipped as yet unidentified 402 then HA's Metro2(3?).
As yet not seen but sounds expensive.
A lucky if not acceptable outcome, thankfully.
Wayward C182 has clipped as yet unidentified 402 then HA's Metro2(3?).
As yet not seen but sounds expensive.
A lucky if not acceptable outcome, thankfully.
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WHAT a mess......
The 206 certianly looks very sick with the outboard 2m of wing dangling in the breeze...
The 182 must be a write off...
The Metro II ???
Lets just be thankful there were no fatalities.
Brings back memories of Crash Test Dummy on Bathurst Island years ago in his C210...
The 206 certianly looks very sick with the outboard 2m of wing dangling in the breeze...
The 182 must be a write off...
The Metro II ???
Lets just be thankful there were no fatalities.
Brings back memories of Crash Test Dummy on Bathurst Island years ago in his C210...
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Why is it that all this year's finalists for the Darwin Award all come from....DARWIN??
First we had the drongo with the snake, then the sod that got his wad caught in a ring spanner...now the 'let's put the kids in orbit trick.
Must be something in the water.
First we had the drongo with the snake, then the sod that got his wad caught in a ring spanner...now the 'let's put the kids in orbit trick.
Must be something in the water.
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Twas hardly Metro .
I know its hard to keep the kids entertained during school hols but buggah me.
Kids banged up but all ok.
Hmmm....Traffic it couldnt be the twonk got his winky stuck in a ring spanner could it?
I know its hard to keep the kids entertained during school hols but buggah me.
Kids banged up but all ok.
Hmmm....Traffic it couldnt be the twonk got his winky stuck in a ring spanner could it?
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From ABC On Line, 16/7/2002
Runaway plane creates havoc at Darwin airport
Four aircraft have been damaged - three of them seriously - after a collision at the Darwin airport this morning.
A pilotless Cessna hit three other planes before coming to a stop.
The owner of two of the damaged aircraft, John Hardy, said the pilot was outside cranking the propeller or handstarting the aeroplane when it began to move.
Mr Hardy said the Cessna careered across the tarmac before crashing into two of his aircraft.
"He wasn't in the aeroplane but his three children were, which is pretty frightening and the aircraft engine sprung in to life and developed enough power to tear off down the taxiway," he said.
Mr Hardy said the aircraft came very close to becoming airborne.
"I think one wheel was off the ground and it was accelerating very quickly," he said.
Four aircraft have been damaged - three of them seriously - after a collision at the Darwin airport this morning.
A pilotless Cessna hit three other planes before coming to a stop.
The owner of two of the damaged aircraft, John Hardy, said the pilot was outside cranking the propeller or handstarting the aeroplane when it began to move.
Mr Hardy said the Cessna careered across the tarmac before crashing into two of his aircraft.
"He wasn't in the aeroplane but his three children were, which is pretty frightening and the aircraft engine sprung in to life and developed enough power to tear off down the taxiway," he said.
Mr Hardy said the aircraft came very close to becoming airborne.
"I think one wheel was off the ground and it was accelerating very quickly," he said.
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Another total waste of $$$
And you know what, not all of the blame goes to the pilot. I really have to ask… How many of you Commercial (not to mention Private) pilots have had any training at all regarding hand starts? Was it mentioned at your flying school as an acceptable method of starting an aircraft? Did they mention that it should only really be conducted with two people? Did they suggest that you might ask any engineer or other pilot to give a helping hand before resorting to this method?
No?
And what about technique? Before I moved to Darwin I had never even heard of chocks. At my flying school (and all of the surrounding ones) chocks weren’t even mentioned in the training, let alone used. How much throttle do you really need to get the aircraft going? What about compression strokes before a live “swing”, are they required, and if so, how many?
The truth is that this is barely touched on in most pilots training. When it is it’s usually in a passing reference while studying private or commercial theory and almost never shown in any practical sense. Most GA pilots I know in Darwin won’t do it. Why not? It can be done safely, in fact several popular makes of aircraft had optional electrical systems making any starter motor irrelevant. The reason has to be either poor or non existent education.
The training provided regarding hand starts and the general ground operation if aircraft in Australia is quite pitiful. There have been several recent occasions of hand starts that have led to catastrophe including the fiasco in Adelaide and now this occurrence in Darwin. Other ground handling accidents such as the bloke at Redcliffe a few years ago that set fire to a twin (a Baron from memory) and his own car while trying to perform a jump start. Every day I see aircraft taxiing past my window at speeds that are totally ridiculous. (This by the way should be of major concern to all operators at the Northern GA at Darwin. If you saw where today’s accident took place, expect another soon if you don’t SLOW DOWN)
Realistically, for Commercial operations, hand starts should be included in your Ops Manual, and if they aren’t, make sure your pilots don’t do them. If they are, TRAIN THEM!!!!! CASA also has to pull its finger out. Firstly, include it into both the VFR Day syllabus and the National Competency Standards. Also, get flyers out to all PPL and higher pilots. Secondly, get a public education campaign going. There are obviously many people out there that don’t know enough about the safe ground operation of aircraft. Set up some guidelines, make some flyers and write some articles in flight safety.
This issue isn’t just a matter of saving $ when planes crash into each other on the ground, it is a matter of the personal safety of pilots, engineers and all others on the ramp. Today’s accident could have had tragic consequences.
(edited by me because of silly spelling mistakes.... I'll be back)
And you know what, not all of the blame goes to the pilot. I really have to ask… How many of you Commercial (not to mention Private) pilots have had any training at all regarding hand starts? Was it mentioned at your flying school as an acceptable method of starting an aircraft? Did they mention that it should only really be conducted with two people? Did they suggest that you might ask any engineer or other pilot to give a helping hand before resorting to this method?
No?
And what about technique? Before I moved to Darwin I had never even heard of chocks. At my flying school (and all of the surrounding ones) chocks weren’t even mentioned in the training, let alone used. How much throttle do you really need to get the aircraft going? What about compression strokes before a live “swing”, are they required, and if so, how many?
The truth is that this is barely touched on in most pilots training. When it is it’s usually in a passing reference while studying private or commercial theory and almost never shown in any practical sense. Most GA pilots I know in Darwin won’t do it. Why not? It can be done safely, in fact several popular makes of aircraft had optional electrical systems making any starter motor irrelevant. The reason has to be either poor or non existent education.
The training provided regarding hand starts and the general ground operation if aircraft in Australia is quite pitiful. There have been several recent occasions of hand starts that have led to catastrophe including the fiasco in Adelaide and now this occurrence in Darwin. Other ground handling accidents such as the bloke at Redcliffe a few years ago that set fire to a twin (a Baron from memory) and his own car while trying to perform a jump start. Every day I see aircraft taxiing past my window at speeds that are totally ridiculous. (This by the way should be of major concern to all operators at the Northern GA at Darwin. If you saw where today’s accident took place, expect another soon if you don’t SLOW DOWN)
Realistically, for Commercial operations, hand starts should be included in your Ops Manual, and if they aren’t, make sure your pilots don’t do them. If they are, TRAIN THEM!!!!! CASA also has to pull its finger out. Firstly, include it into both the VFR Day syllabus and the National Competency Standards. Also, get flyers out to all PPL and higher pilots. Secondly, get a public education campaign going. There are obviously many people out there that don’t know enough about the safe ground operation of aircraft. Set up some guidelines, make some flyers and write some articles in flight safety.
This issue isn’t just a matter of saving $ when planes crash into each other on the ground, it is a matter of the personal safety of pilots, engineers and all others on the ramp. Today’s accident could have had tragic consequences.
(edited by me because of silly spelling mistakes.... I'll be back)
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There used to be a product around called a "start stick" basically a small red battery that plugs into the external power supply port of the aircraft (most piper's have one it's an option on cessna's). The manufacturer claimed they have enough grunt to start a pt 6. Would have saved allot of heart ache in this case.
