Virgin launches advertising salvo against Qantas re: JT
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Just a couple of comments...
1. ANY airline can have an 'incident' - remember darwin didn't cost $USD 100 million to fix.
2. Both QF and DJ have innovative ad campaigns - The QF one is very clever - and the DJ one is too - though it does play the man not the ball in my opinion.
3. If you haven't done the CRM course don't comment - I have done it and it is very good. QF certainly has its own CRM issues - mmmm you can call me Captain or Sir - skipper if I am feeling informal..
4. How many years did QF and AN run without FOQA programs? When DJ run for that long without FOQA you can start squawking. PS Do the QF contracted operators like NJS and Impulse have a FOQA programme?
5. FOQA is on the agenda, as are a number of other programmes - they already run AQD and a seeking to improve all the time... But everything takes time - see point 4.
6. Yes it took months to get through the endorsement, but at the end of the day are you any better informed? Ever considered that the incumbant operators had TOO much in their courses? The endorsements in the US are FAA approved - the line training here is as good as anywhere, and do you REALLY need 10 years in the right hand seat to make a good skipper? I reckon that you reach a point where the extra hours make little difference - the point of diminishing returns...
Remember that Continental - an airline bigger than all the Australian carriers put together reckons that engine fires are NOT phase one issues - what is important is all a matter of perspective..
My thoughts only!
1. ANY airline can have an 'incident' - remember darwin didn't cost $USD 100 million to fix.
2. Both QF and DJ have innovative ad campaigns - The QF one is very clever - and the DJ one is too - though it does play the man not the ball in my opinion.
3. If you haven't done the CRM course don't comment - I have done it and it is very good. QF certainly has its own CRM issues - mmmm you can call me Captain or Sir - skipper if I am feeling informal..
4. How many years did QF and AN run without FOQA programs? When DJ run for that long without FOQA you can start squawking. PS Do the QF contracted operators like NJS and Impulse have a FOQA programme?
5. FOQA is on the agenda, as are a number of other programmes - they already run AQD and a seeking to improve all the time... But everything takes time - see point 4.
6. Yes it took months to get through the endorsement, but at the end of the day are you any better informed? Ever considered that the incumbant operators had TOO much in their courses? The endorsements in the US are FAA approved - the line training here is as good as anywhere, and do you REALLY need 10 years in the right hand seat to make a good skipper? I reckon that you reach a point where the extra hours make little difference - the point of diminishing returns...
Remember that Continental - an airline bigger than all the Australian carriers put together reckons that engine fires are NOT phase one issues - what is important is all a matter of perspective..
My thoughts only!
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Na na na na nah, Qantas is better than Virgin!
Na na na na nah, Qantas is better than Virgin!
Na na na na nah, Qantas is better than Virgin!
Na na na na nah, Qantas is better than Virgin!
Like a bunch of six year old girls.....
Na na na na nah, Qantas is better than Virgin!
Na na na na nah, Qantas is better than Virgin!
Na na na na nah, Qantas is better than Virgin!
Like a bunch of six year old girls.....
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I think the ad is very funny!
Having said that, it may be a little too checky. Like saying "ageing planes" and stuff (only because it may scare your average Joe Bloggs whom has just purchased a QF ticket - that is nasty not funny.)
Generally all in good humour so I don't know what all the fuss is about. They are known as a checky airline so it is within character.
Capn Laptop - Impulse is no longer contracted to QF. It is wholly owned. (Though it doesn't feel like it
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Having said that, it may be a little too checky. Like saying "ageing planes" and stuff (only because it may scare your average Joe Bloggs whom has just purchased a QF ticket - that is nasty not funny.)
Generally all in good humour so I don't know what all the fuss is about. They are known as a checky airline so it is within character.
Capn Laptop - Impulse is no longer contracted to QF. It is wholly owned. (Though it doesn't feel like it
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FOQA Flight Operations Quality Assurance.
A process of continuous self examination and appraisal. Adopted throughout the world over the past several years, but only just filtering through to third world airlines such as..........
A process of continuous self examination and appraisal. Adopted throughout the world over the past several years, but only just filtering through to third world airlines such as..........
Nunc est bibendum
BIK, have had this on all types for ages now but not necessarily all aircraft!!
767-2s don't but the 300s sure do! An interesting example of 'rubbish in, rubbish out' a while back when all of our rotate and airborne speeds were miles too high and a massive 'blip' lit up. Seems when they factored in the 'standard domestic weights' instead of 'actual' weight that the 'blip' dissappeared again.
Not sure which of the 737 variants have them (or how many) but they've certainly got them. Interesting little back and forth sometimes between the fleets about 'lies, damn lies and statistics'!
Led to believe that they are a real eye opener at times. QFs ones are de-identified and AIPA deals with it. Used as a 'trend' tool for FLT OPS and if bad enough, then the union comes calling to have a chat.
767-2s don't but the 300s sure do! An interesting example of 'rubbish in, rubbish out' a while back when all of our rotate and airborne speeds were miles too high and a massive 'blip' lit up. Seems when they factored in the 'standard domestic weights' instead of 'actual' weight that the 'blip' dissappeared again.
Not sure which of the 737 variants have them (or how many) but they've certainly got them. Interesting little back and forth sometimes between the fleets about 'lies, damn lies and statistics'!
Led to believe that they are a real eye opener at times. QFs ones are de-identified and AIPA deals with it. Used as a 'trend' tool for FLT OPS and if bad enough, then the union comes calling to have a chat.
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hmm...
Obviously someone that never had the opportunity to fly one of the most wonderful jets to ever grace our skies.
You sound like someone spoilt from day one by EFIS/FMC's/Autothrottles! without ever having experienced the wonders of a flight engineer/manual thrust/doppler nav systems or a navigator for that instance!
Obviously someone that never had the opportunity to fly one of the most wonderful jets to ever grace our skies.
You sound like someone spoilt from day one by EFIS/FMC's/Autothrottles! without ever having experienced the wonders of a flight engineer/manual thrust/doppler nav systems or a navigator for that instance!
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Crikey, I thought I'd blow in and have a bit of a look at what's going on with VB, having flown them recently.
This is too much.
Go to the beach or something, people, or if that's not your thing, light up a bbq, play with the kids, kick the dog.
You're embarrassing Australia, and Australians.
Someone bring back the pride.
Who IS that wally, "I'd rather fly with the VB FA's"?
Like they'd wanna fly with you, dork.
And what's this about 10 day type ratings vs 3 months with AN or QF?
Is there anythiong other than hot air in the VB company?
And a lot of hot pilots? Didn't think there was any room for hot pilots these days.
Think I'll stick to QF, too much BS at VB, and the hangers on that pipe up like poouffs every time their golden boy is knocked.
This is too much.
Go to the beach or something, people, or if that's not your thing, light up a bbq, play with the kids, kick the dog.
You're embarrassing Australia, and Australians.
Someone bring back the pride.
Who IS that wally, "I'd rather fly with the VB FA's"?
Like they'd wanna fly with you, dork.
And what's this about 10 day type ratings vs 3 months with AN or QF?
Is there anythiong other than hot air in the VB company?
And a lot of hot pilots? Didn't think there was any room for hot pilots these days.
Think I'll stick to QF, too much BS at VB, and the hangers on that pipe up like poouffs every time their golden boy is knocked.
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Lappie you asked the question about
Lappie in answer to your question with regards QF and FOQA, they have had it under various names for the fifteen years I've been with the company.
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Just for the record the VB ad is waaaaaay more in the mode of traditional Aussie humour, which generally doesn't have much nice to say about "institutions or kulcha" and certainly likes to have a go at tall poppies and "tin tanks", than the current QF promo.
I'm sure that is aimed more at an international audience.
Personally I'm a bit ambivalent about it, but if it works why not.
It will never top the "I still call Australia home" and the feeling of security, when abroad and you settle into your seat and hear the nasal crackle of the Aussie accent "Ah gidday ladies and gentlemen, this is your (Aussie) Capt speaking................." and then get the ultra egalitarian Aussie wife "dont mess with me treatment " from the FA's. Then you KNOW you're home.
I'm sure that is aimed more at an international audience.
Personally I'm a bit ambivalent about it, but if it works why not.
It will never top the "I still call Australia home" and the feeling of security, when abroad and you settle into your seat and hear the nasal crackle of the Aussie accent "Ah gidday ladies and gentlemen, this is your (Aussie) Capt speaking................." and then get the ultra egalitarian Aussie wife "dont mess with me treatment " from the FA's. Then you KNOW you're home.
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Who IS that wally, "I'd rather fly with the VB FA's"?
Me guessing a brand new paint job and many $$$.
Good to see someone else taking QF for a ride for once.
Scooter sorry must have hit a nerve. Your right, I didn't get the chance to fly those 707's.
Obviously someone that never had the opportunity to fly one of the most wonderful jets to ever grace our skies.
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reference the Virgin F/A's, I would put alot of money on the fact that none of them are.
personally I prefered the WAZZA (NJS/Babelink) of old, recruitment ideas of hand picking attractive girls, but not adding the Virgin hipe of "act sillier than you really are". Must admit that is a good effort.
personally I prefered the WAZZA (NJS/Babelink) of old, recruitment ideas of hand picking attractive girls, but not adding the Virgin hipe of "act sillier than you really are". Must admit that is a good effort.
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VB running off the runway after only a couple of years in operation with only a handfull of aircraft looks very bad indeed. It took QF almost 35 years and millions of sectors to bend a jet.
Making reference to aircraft age and pilot experience is very rude of VB. I would suggest lawyers at 10 paces very soon.
PS: QF 1 did not prang because of cost cutting, flap setting or moon angle. It crashed because you cannot add almost full power in the flare, then reduce to idle then land and not brake for x number of seconds.
Making reference to aircraft age and pilot experience is very rude of VB. I would suggest lawyers at 10 paces very soon.
PS: QF 1 did not prang because of cost cutting, flap setting or moon angle. It crashed because you cannot add almost full power in the flare, then reduce to idle then land and not brake for x number of seconds.
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Look, what was the problem exactly?
Did I miss something??? I thought the only problem with the VB overrun in DN is the fact that the crew didn't report it. Check the stats, but I'll bet a large number of $$$ that several aircraft either undershoot or overrun DN every year during their WIP on 11/29, almost done it myself. That number will include several local RPT operators. (and please, the arguement that a large domestic carrier is different to a small regional RPT operator is totally false. Both are regulated by the same organisation and are required to keep a high level of air safety, just like larger RPT operators).
Sure the over run is bad, but I can understand it. The problem is not the over run as a good reporting system and safety culture would eliminate all future events. Not reporting it is the root of all evil.
Also, I love the new ad. Branson loves taking the pi$$ and most Aussies love him for it.
Sure the over run is bad, but I can understand it. The problem is not the over run as a good reporting system and safety culture would eliminate all future events. Not reporting it is the root of all evil.
Also, I love the new ad. Branson loves taking the pi$$ and most Aussies love him for it.
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JT and Qantas
hmmm
Maybe I'm just the victim of good PR, but I heard the story that many years ago, JT was asked what he would have been if he was not an actor and he replied: "A Qantas pilot."
Apparently his affection for Qantas goes back a long way and that is the reason he is doing this PR thing now. As I understand it, he is not being paid mega-bucks.
I'm open to being shot down in flames if anyone knows different.
besides you would be kidding yourself if you believed that John Travolta really cares about QANTAS.
Apparently his affection for Qantas goes back a long way and that is the reason he is doing this PR thing now. As I understand it, he is not being paid mega-bucks.
I'm open to being shot down in flames if anyone knows different.
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For those of you sticking it to VB and trying to suggest that Qantas is better simply because it took them more years of operation to run a jet off a runway, think back to June or July 1995, when Qantas landed a 737 at Darwin, I think on RWY11 during works in progress.
They came to a halt short of the displaced threshold! That is on the unserviceable part of the runway.
For f@rks sakes, why does the argument have to degenerate into 'my' airline's better than yours?
Accidents and incidents happen. Always have, always will. Cr@p that gets published here doesn't help prevent accidents and incidents, rather enlightened discussion where one can learn is what will save some one's bacon.
They came to a halt short of the displaced threshold! That is on the unserviceable part of the runway.
For f@rks sakes, why does the argument have to degenerate into 'my' airline's better than yours?
Accidents and incidents happen. Always have, always will. Cr@p that gets published here doesn't help prevent accidents and incidents, rather enlightened discussion where one can learn is what will save some one's bacon.
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XXXX will never be VB (the beer)
PJ's will never be Winnie Blues
The Territory will always be a great place to drink.
WIP 11/29 many many many people over the years have ******ed up on this one...
PJ's will never be Winnie Blues
The Territory will always be a great place to drink.
WIP 11/29 many many many people over the years have ******ed up on this one...
Bugsmasha VB WILL NEVER BE QF