ExAnsett Pilots Blocked From VB
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ExAnsett Pilots Blocked From VB
Recent episode had Richard Branson bailed up in the front galley by an exAnsett Captain of origins other than Australia,who proceded to rant and rave about discrimination and a list.Mr Branson said he had only heard the rumours of the list and denied any discrimination.
Rumours from within have the story getting back to the Virgin Blue powers to be,who decided that the trickle of former AN pilots(non-89 tarnished) being recruited may come to a halt.
Some very good fellows waiting patiently with everyone else,in the hope of being processed.If to no avail,would be nice for them to know as they would accept and move on elsewhere.
The incident is published on APA chat site.The Captain boasts then fittingly finishes with"Let me know if I helped you guys out with Branson".
Nice touch you stupid and selfish fool.
Rumours from within have the story getting back to the Virgin Blue powers to be,who decided that the trickle of former AN pilots(non-89 tarnished) being recruited may come to a halt.
Some very good fellows waiting patiently with everyone else,in the hope of being processed.If to no avail,would be nice for them to know as they would accept and move on elsewhere.
The incident is published on APA chat site.The Captain boasts then fittingly finishes with"Let me know if I helped you guys out with Branson".
Nice touch you stupid and selfish fool.
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Tough titties.
There's no discrimination at Virgin Blue but there IS a list ! A list of applications a mile long from GA aspirants to ex Ansett crew and many in betweens. Some rated, most with experience and MANY with the minimum requirements as required by Virgin Blue.
You are just going to have to wait your turn, being ex Ansett will not push you up to the front of the line!
GOOD NEWS IS - it's worth the wait!
You are just going to have to wait your turn, being ex Ansett will not push you up to the front of the line!
GOOD NEWS IS - it's worth the wait!
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Whiskerey,
As stated,nobody expects special treatment,some fellows waiting patiently fearful the actions of those on the list-threatened legal action etc-may jeopardise their applications.
Though they are big boys and am sure would happily move elsewhere if the rumours confirmed.
I am sure it is,for some,worth the wait too Whiskerey.Kind of a pilot`s Nirvana created by the old guard of 89.
As stated,nobody expects special treatment,some fellows waiting patiently fearful the actions of those on the list-threatened legal action etc-may jeopardise their applications.
Though they are big boys and am sure would happily move elsewhere if the rumours confirmed.
I am sure it is,for some,worth the wait too Whiskerey.Kind of a pilot`s Nirvana created by the old guard of 89.
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Thank you Mr Ex An Captain of overseas origin! I think we have more appropriate names for guys like you though.
Sure to be a stream of heroes getting the royal treatment now. Insulting the boss will work every time
Sure to be a stream of heroes getting the royal treatment now. Insulting the boss will work every time
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I don't understand, did'nt one of the " gentlemen " who went back in '89 state that they could'nt hire any of the guys that did'nt s**b, due to the ill feeling in the flight deck that would of course comprimise safety.
So................whats changed ?
So................whats changed ?
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All I can say is that VB in all certainty recruits who they want, when they require additional pilots (just like any other airline).
To blatantly admit that certain pilots are not welcomed is tantamount to discrimination and all its repercussions.
Fortunately this was not the case.
Yes - the character involved in confronting RB has done something that in my opinion is both foolhardy and damaging.
Personally if it was me it would make me look very closely at any ex AN guys in the future.
No doubt there are some outstanding young pilots amongst the ex AN 737 guys who have been done the greatest disservice by this ex AN Captain (of foreign nationality).
By the way - what has become of this man that has quite conceivably damaged the reputation of the ex AN drivers?
Also to say that ex AN guys have been blocked is also not the case - that much is fact.
To blatantly admit that certain pilots are not welcomed is tantamount to discrimination and all its repercussions.
Fortunately this was not the case.
Yes - the character involved in confronting RB has done something that in my opinion is both foolhardy and damaging.
Personally if it was me it would make me look very closely at any ex AN guys in the future.
No doubt there are some outstanding young pilots amongst the ex AN 737 guys who have been done the greatest disservice by this ex AN Captain (of foreign nationality).
By the way - what has become of this man that has quite conceivably damaged the reputation of the ex AN drivers?
Also to say that ex AN guys have been blocked is also not the case - that much is fact.
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IS IT TRUE,THAT VIRGIN CAPTAINS MAKE $113KP.A.
SURELY THATS B.S.
IF IT IS ,WHAT AN INSULT TO THE PROFESSION.
NAHHH ,THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT.
ALSO HEARD THAT ANSETT 737 PILOTS WITH OVERTIME CRACKING $250. BET THEY MISS THAT.MUST BE BS ALSO.
SURELY THATS B.S.
IF IT IS ,WHAT AN INSULT TO THE PROFESSION.
NAHHH ,THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT.
ALSO HEARD THAT ANSETT 737 PILOTS WITH OVERTIME CRACKING $250. BET THEY MISS THAT.MUST BE BS ALSO.
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AN were paid pretty much exactly the same as a QF 737 Captain. Now that includes the upper figure with overtime.......I'd say they were market rates for the time, but of course now DJ come along with a new market
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f4ko340,
If you're that concerned about it, do something about it. What do you suggest ?? Some don't have the benefit of being able to choose which airline they will work for nor their terms of employment. You're a tosser.
If you're that concerned about it, do something about it. What do you suggest ?? Some don't have the benefit of being able to choose which airline they will work for nor their terms of employment. You're a tosser.
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737 drivers doing the same job ,however the salary difference between companys is $100k.
THIS IS INCREDIBLE,
slave labour,being used,the virgin management worth of their pilots,whatever you like.
Time to call in the AFAP.and demand a 30% pay increase.
THIS IS INCREDIBLE,
slave labour,being used,the virgin management worth of their pilots,whatever you like.
Time to call in the AFAP.and demand a 30% pay increase.
tantamount to discrimination and all its repercussions
A selection process is by nature discriminatory. Get it. The law simply says that the employer cannot discriminate on the basis of sex, religion, etc. There are only a few legal categories.
For example, if Airline X said we will only employ pilots above 175cm tall with blue eyes, they can do this. They have that right and there is no remedy in law.
By the way Timmeeee, this is not directed AT you, simply prompted by your observation.
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So. I still don't hear how YOU (f4ko340) are going to do anything about this. Must feel like a real man standing on the side line and commentating. Get your hands dirty and do something if you fell so strongly about it.
IMHO you're still a tosser!
IMHO you're still a tosser!
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150k for a captain? That's 10k less than I earned as an FO on the 737 at AN (did nearly 900 hours for the year though). When are they going to pay realistic airline rates like Qantas, Emirates, Singapore, United, Delta, BA...........?
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The fact of the matter is that people make their own conscious decisions whilst being fully aware of the facts.
Yes - VB does not pay as much as the former Ansett or Qantas and that is common knowledge.
F4ko340 - I'm sorry but not everyone can earn the sort of money you may or may not be used to or hopefully desire to earn.
There are good and genuine people out there that have applied to VB and sucessfully gained employment.
These are also motivated people that are thankful to be not only having a job but thankful to be flying in Australia ( and modern jets for that matter).
I have to agree with Liquid Gold F4ko340 - if you don't like what you see or what VB pay and dont want to work for them then thats your own business.
LG also was quite right in stating that not everyone has the luxury of choosing who they work for.
You do the best at the time to support both yourself and your family.
If you think you can somehow magically wave a magic wand or have some way of mysteriously improving VB wages and conditions then speak up, make a meaningful suggestion as how to improve their award.
So F4ko340 - sod off and stop being a pratt by calling it "Slave Labour".
You dont have to like what you see, so dont go knocking alot of good and honest people you've never met whom I personally know fly to a very high standard.
I dont agree with Liquid Gold who described you as a tosser.
Yes F4ko340 - I would personally classify you as a living argument for birth control!
Yes - VB does not pay as much as the former Ansett or Qantas and that is common knowledge.
F4ko340 - I'm sorry but not everyone can earn the sort of money you may or may not be used to or hopefully desire to earn.
There are good and genuine people out there that have applied to VB and sucessfully gained employment.
These are also motivated people that are thankful to be not only having a job but thankful to be flying in Australia ( and modern jets for that matter).
I have to agree with Liquid Gold F4ko340 - if you don't like what you see or what VB pay and dont want to work for them then thats your own business.
LG also was quite right in stating that not everyone has the luxury of choosing who they work for.
You do the best at the time to support both yourself and your family.
If you think you can somehow magically wave a magic wand or have some way of mysteriously improving VB wages and conditions then speak up, make a meaningful suggestion as how to improve their award.
So F4ko340 - sod off and stop being a pratt by calling it "Slave Labour".
You dont have to like what you see, so dont go knocking alot of good and honest people you've never met whom I personally know fly to a very high standard.
I dont agree with Liquid Gold who described you as a tosser.
Yes F4ko340 - I would personally classify you as a living argument for birth control!
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Never been much good with sums so tell me where this thinking is wrong please…..
It would be a fair guess from what’s been posted here that the average VB 737 crew (Captain and F/O) costs their company around $100,000 less than QF or AN. So if each crew flies about 800 hours per year then each hour costs about $125 more at QF (or AN). For a 737 with a typical load that’s at least $1 per passenger per hour you’re asking the QF/AN punters to pay extra to support you.
So either VB are making about $1 per passenger more than QF which would help me understand why they’re expanding so fast, or QF passengers (and AN once) are willing to pay more just for the joy of supporting the lifestyle of the crew up front. Are QF pilots that much better?
And let’s get real for a second….VB salaries are NOT third world. They get to fly for a dynamic carrier, lots of growth, jobs expanding as fast as they can and it looks like FUN. I don’t work for them and never will but it seems a fair deal to me. And as far as I know there’s no compulsion to join them either. As I said before I’m not much good with numbers but it seems to me that USAir pilots might soon find out the real cost of having salaries far higher than the “going rate” paid by their competitors Jet Blue, and Air Tran.
Cheers
Sherm
It would be a fair guess from what’s been posted here that the average VB 737 crew (Captain and F/O) costs their company around $100,000 less than QF or AN. So if each crew flies about 800 hours per year then each hour costs about $125 more at QF (or AN). For a 737 with a typical load that’s at least $1 per passenger per hour you’re asking the QF/AN punters to pay extra to support you.
So either VB are making about $1 per passenger more than QF which would help me understand why they’re expanding so fast, or QF passengers (and AN once) are willing to pay more just for the joy of supporting the lifestyle of the crew up front. Are QF pilots that much better?
And let’s get real for a second….VB salaries are NOT third world. They get to fly for a dynamic carrier, lots of growth, jobs expanding as fast as they can and it looks like FUN. I don’t work for them and never will but it seems a fair deal to me. And as far as I know there’s no compulsion to join them either. As I said before I’m not much good with numbers but it seems to me that USAir pilots might soon find out the real cost of having salaries far higher than the “going rate” paid by their competitors Jet Blue, and Air Tran.
Cheers
Sherm