ExAnsett Pilots Blocked From VB
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I'd be surprised if 150K for a Captain is on the table. There may be some change to the way we get the current retention bonus and that may be reflected in the base salary increasing somewhat. It isn't ever going to match QF, at least not until QF bring their pilot salaries down a bit! Still VB salaries are not to bad at all and there is little heard around the traps to suggest anyone is upset by what they are.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
The word "COMMITMENT" is the one that comes to mind when discussing VB staff comes up in conversation.
THEY realise that they are not among the highest paid airline employees in the world, however they are PROUD to do that which they are employed to do, BECAUSE they are DEDICATED to the cause of making Virgin Blue Australia's best airline.
No doubt mercenaries such as f4ko340 will find another job, in another country, and will continue to wonder "Why" and "How" some people can possibly work for less than his estimated "market value".
Go Virgin Blue boys and girls!! The f4ko340's in Oz aviation are the MINORITY - cherish the fact that their interest in aviation is SOLELY $$$-driven!
THEY realise that they are not among the highest paid airline employees in the world, however they are PROUD to do that which they are employed to do, BECAUSE they are DEDICATED to the cause of making Virgin Blue Australia's best airline.
No doubt mercenaries such as f4ko340 will find another job, in another country, and will continue to wonder "Why" and "How" some people can possibly work for less than his estimated "market value".
Go Virgin Blue boys and girls!! The f4ko340's in Oz aviation are the MINORITY - cherish the fact that their interest in aviation is SOLELY $$$-driven!
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Kapt M,
Hilarious idealism.
Why were you not a dedicated AN employee in 89?Why did you bring AN to its knees with your pay claim?
Enjoy your posts but your credibility suffers somewhat on this issue.
Good to see all your colleagues getting jobs back in OZ-even if they are on tha same money as 89.
Hilarious idealism.
Why were you not a dedicated AN employee in 89?Why did you bring AN to its knees with your pay claim?
Enjoy your posts but your credibility suffers somewhat on this issue.
Good to see all your colleagues getting jobs back in OZ-even if they are on tha same money as 89.
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Gnadenburg,
I guess you are winding the dear readers up because I know you can't possibly believe what you wrote to Kaptin M:
"Why were you not a dedicated AN employee in 89? Why did you bring AN to its knees with your pay claim?"
Everyone knows that it was the refusal of both Ansett management and Bob Hawke to negotiate with a legitimate democratic union that was beginning of the downfall of the once proud carrier. The salaries paid to returnees show that money was never the problem.
Best to keep to the facts when addressing Kaptin M
Safe flying
Sherm
I guess you are winding the dear readers up because I know you can't possibly believe what you wrote to Kaptin M:
"Why were you not a dedicated AN employee in 89? Why did you bring AN to its knees with your pay claim?"
Everyone knows that it was the refusal of both Ansett management and Bob Hawke to negotiate with a legitimate democratic union that was beginning of the downfall of the once proud carrier. The salaries paid to returnees show that money was never the problem.
Best to keep to the facts when addressing Kaptin M
Safe flying
Sherm
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bacon tastes good
VB pilots may get paid poverty wages, worked like dogs, bored senseless from repetitious sectors and forced to live in Brisbane but they make up for it in the important areas of life. (he's talking about fan-wahhhh..... Ask your mum and dad.) With the revolving door of bountiful beauties basking in the galley-ways, bored after 5 minutes of tossing muffins to the peasantry, things soon begin to liven up.
Yes, from what I hear, even the twisted old re-treads and
has-beens occasionally get their beards stroked by energetic young bunnies, still new to the game and excited about the prospect of landing a shiny-arsed meal-ticket. He must be rich, look at how soft his hands are!! I don't fly for VB but I've "known" a few of the girls who work down the back and they seem to agree.
I'm seriously considering quitting my job as a paper shuffling "spare", sitting in the back seat and moving across to a window seat in VB. The pay-cut would be worth it to get at more of the good stuff. The only thing I'm worried about is actually having to do some work for a change. That and living in the country.
Apparently it's not that hard to get an interview if you know someone inside. Which I do.
PS SpermBoy, please stop greasing Kaptin M and everyone else. It puts me off my food.
Yes, from what I hear, even the twisted old re-treads and
has-beens occasionally get their beards stroked by energetic young bunnies, still new to the game and excited about the prospect of landing a shiny-arsed meal-ticket. He must be rich, look at how soft his hands are!! I don't fly for VB but I've "known" a few of the girls who work down the back and they seem to agree.
I'm seriously considering quitting my job as a paper shuffling "spare", sitting in the back seat and moving across to a window seat in VB. The pay-cut would be worth it to get at more of the good stuff. The only thing I'm worried about is actually having to do some work for a change. That and living in the country.
Apparently it's not that hard to get an interview if you know someone inside. Which I do.
PS SpermBoy, please stop greasing Kaptin M and everyone else. It puts me off my food.
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Bacon
Thanks for the thought...I will certainly pay it the appropriate amount of attention.
If at all possible consider the idea of selling tickets to watch your interview at VB. You'd get a few bucks which would help cover your pay cut. One can only guess at your capability as a pilot but if your talent matches both your wonderful sense of self importance and the loftiness of your career goals then I'd pay to watch the whole thing unfold. There'd be plenty of others too.
And if inexplicably the interview leaves Virgin and you still on opposite sides of the fence? Well they'll only be able to guess at what they passed up and even though the Melbourne "Truth" newspaper has sadly left us, there's just got to be a rag somewhere that deserves your writing talents. Could be a good living.
As for VB? I guess they'll keep hiring professionals who want to do the job with a smile and when they get the 50% of the domestic market they deserve we can all chip in for the hire of a singing fat lady for the party that will finally mark the end of one era and the beginning of another.
Cheers
Sherm
Thanks for the thought...I will certainly pay it the appropriate amount of attention.
If at all possible consider the idea of selling tickets to watch your interview at VB. You'd get a few bucks which would help cover your pay cut. One can only guess at your capability as a pilot but if your talent matches both your wonderful sense of self importance and the loftiness of your career goals then I'd pay to watch the whole thing unfold. There'd be plenty of others too.
And if inexplicably the interview leaves Virgin and you still on opposite sides of the fence? Well they'll only be able to guess at what they passed up and even though the Melbourne "Truth" newspaper has sadly left us, there's just got to be a rag somewhere that deserves your writing talents. Could be a good living.
As for VB? I guess they'll keep hiring professionals who want to do the job with a smile and when they get the 50% of the domestic market they deserve we can all chip in for the hire of a singing fat lady for the party that will finally mark the end of one era and the beginning of another.
Cheers
Sherm
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Posts such as your's, bacon are the typical gutter-press like garbage that appear from time to time before the "account removed" appears.
I have little doubt that you have appeared here in other forms before, considering your June, 2002 registration.
But keep it up - they only further prove to ALL who read comment such as your's, that you don't belong, nor deserve a future in Australian aviation!
The 1989 issue has been debated ad infinitum, and now usually thrown in as a red herring, when the TRUTH becomes a little too unpalatable for those who have ALWAYS had a problem dealing with it!
I have little doubt that you have appeared here in other forms before, considering your June, 2002 registration.
But keep it up - they only further prove to ALL who read comment such as your's, that you don't belong, nor deserve a future in Australian aviation!
The 1989 issue has been debated ad infinitum, and now usually thrown in as a red herring, when the TRUTH becomes a little too unpalatable for those who have ALWAYS had a problem dealing with it!
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I'm with Stupid,
Your man that claimed ( in a court of law) that a scab and a non scab could not fly together was ******. Bet he's changed his tune now!
Your man that claimed ( in a court of law) that a scab and a non scab could not fly together was ******. Bet he's changed his tune now!
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Gnadenburg is confused ?
On the "Strange comments by airline management" topic you stated
Now you are saying to Kaptin M
How can one be "done over" by an adversary and bring that adversary to it's knees in the same dispute?
By the way, Gnadenburg, your ideas, spelling and word syntax are very similar to Muckey Duck aka bulldog 69's. Are you related by any chance?
Keep the faith:]
Not a personal attack but your letting your antipathy for Ansett cloud your judgements.
I assume you were done over by AN during the dispute.
I assume you were done over by AN during the dispute.
Why were you not a dedicated AN employee in 89?Why did you bring AN to its knees with your pay claim?
By the way, Gnadenburg, your ideas, spelling and word syntax are very similar to Muckey Duck aka bulldog 69's. Are you related by any chance?
Keep the faith:]
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Throughout history it can be seen that what motivates man is not so much financial reward but ideals and beliefs. It is hard to imagine those in the past who were called upon to make the ultimate sacrifice doing this for money. The defence of our country, our way of life and a secure and safe future for their children was no doubt in the minds of those who must always have our undying respect and everlasting gratitude.
Whilst I would not compare our industrial dispute to war, as the then Prime Minister did, a great deal of hardship ensued to many as a result. At the heart of the conflict were democratic and constitutional issues that were intrinsic to our way of life woven deeply into the fabric of our society. These rights should not have been challenged. Equally important were principles and beliefs that placed the welfare of each family in the hands of each other family. The sense of betrayal is something I have not been able to successfully convey to anyone not having experienced the same and will not attempt it now.
I found that what was at stake far exceed any job worth having, any career worth persuing and any country worth living in.
If we are to talk about money, Gnadenburg, can we do it in the context of a Prime Minister spewing forth venom and obscenities directed at those who would wreak such hovoc on our economy with a claim outside "the accord".
It must be remembered that only a few months after my family had been dispatched overseas this very same person put a 32% salary increase directly into his hip pocket.
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Did you say you'll be right back?
Whilst I would not compare our industrial dispute to war, as the then Prime Minister did, a great deal of hardship ensued to many as a result. At the heart of the conflict were democratic and constitutional issues that were intrinsic to our way of life woven deeply into the fabric of our society. These rights should not have been challenged. Equally important were principles and beliefs that placed the welfare of each family in the hands of each other family. The sense of betrayal is something I have not been able to successfully convey to anyone not having experienced the same and will not attempt it now.
I found that what was at stake far exceed any job worth having, any career worth persuing and any country worth living in.
If we are to talk about money, Gnadenburg, can we do it in the context of a Prime Minister spewing forth venom and obscenities directed at those who would wreak such hovoc on our economy with a claim outside "the accord".
It must be remembered that only a few months after my family had been dispatched overseas this very same person put a 32% salary increase directly into his hip pocket.
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Did you say you'll be right back?
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Hypothetically Kaptin.....
Would you consider flying for DJ?
Everyone says it's great, the team is dedicated and BNE is good to live in. The salary is relatively low, but not unacceptable to some obviously. Would you come back?
Everyone says it's great, the team is dedicated and BNE is good to live in. The salary is relatively low, but not unacceptable to some obviously. Would you come back?
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Thats true, most guys want to be part of the VB spirit and help the airline succeed. Money is not the motivator. Life in Bris or Oz generally is.
The ex GA guys are glad to fly jets and the ex Ansett guys are happy to have jobs. If you want the money you have to leave Oz!
Many guys would take 50% pay cuts to fly for VB , to be there , esp if they have "been there done that elsewhere."
good luck to VB.
The ex GA guys are glad to fly jets and the ex Ansett guys are happy to have jobs. If you want the money you have to leave Oz!
Many guys would take 50% pay cuts to fly for VB , to be there , esp if they have "been there done that elsewhere."
good luck to VB.
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icarus 2002,
Sorry to harp on this but I am sick of BS being flung around regarding VB and thier employment tactics.
This is from the Queensland anti discrimination act of 1991.
Grounds for discrimination,
Sex, marital status, pregnancy, parental status, breast feeding (goods and services only), sexual harassment, race, age, impairment, religion, political belief or activity, trade union activity, lawful sexual activity, association with a person who has any of these attributes.
http://www.humanrights.gov.au/info_f...law/index.html
Sorry to harp on this but I am sick of BS being flung around regarding VB and thier employment tactics.
This is from the Queensland anti discrimination act of 1991.
Grounds for discrimination,
Sex, marital status, pregnancy, parental status, breast feeding (goods and services only), sexual harassment, race, age, impairment, religion, political belief or activity, trade union activity, lawful sexual activity, association with a person who has any of these attributes.
http://www.humanrights.gov.au/info_f...law/index.html
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Ahhh, OHSEEEWARRRTOO, I’ve missed ya, Mate…
My italics, my bold face on those three little words of your quote.
trade union activity… Now correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t AN and TN management quite successfully exclude ex-employees for just that reason and with no Government OR ACTU cries of foul play at the time. And didn’t the then AN pilot’s union president, Capt Dickie Marman, enthusiastically support this company action by going to court in 1991 to block any union members from working with the heroes on the grounds that it would be unsafe?
Grounds for discrimination,
Sex, marital status, pregnancy, parental status, breast feeding (goods and services only), sexual harassment, race, age, impairment, religion, political belief or activity, trade union activity, lawful sexual activity, association with a person who has any of these attributes.
Sex, marital status, pregnancy, parental status, breast feeding (goods and services only), sexual harassment, race, age, impairment, religion, political belief or activity, trade union activity, lawful sexual activity, association with a person who has any of these attributes.
trade union activity… Now correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t AN and TN management quite successfully exclude ex-employees for just that reason and with no Government OR ACTU cries of foul play at the time. And didn’t the then AN pilot’s union president, Capt Dickie Marman, enthusiastically support this company action by going to court in 1991 to block any union members from working with the heroes on the grounds that it would be unsafe?