Ples balus bilong PNG mi no sav1? part 4
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Ples balus bilong PNG mi no savi . Part 4
Oraight sumpela bludy wite puk...nem bilong em Woomera..killim dis'la thread ol i kall im "Part deturd".
Mi laik kisim narapela i kamup stronpela moa yet!!
Chuckles.
Mi laik kisim narapela i kamup stronpela moa yet!!
Chuckles.
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GOD NO!!! I'm as happy as a you know what. Check out the smilies
The post to start part 4 was very much tongue in cheek...and done in Tok Pisan only to poke fun at Woomera's attempt when closing the last thread...at the usual spot so no troubles on that score either 
Chuck.
The post to start part 4 was very much tongue in cheek...and done in Tok Pisan only to poke fun at Woomera's attempt when closing the last thread...at the usual spot so no troubles on that score either
Chuck.
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I'm disgusted with myself! Manari I should have recognised. Like I said tho'... too much Red wine over the years I guess.
Eggman; your albums are beauties. Wish I'd taken more piccies myself. A few of mine should be on this thread in due course when Ozexpat puts them up.
Chimbu Chuckles; Oh yes... Kagi does stir the memories a bit. Good to see you're doing well. I'm not flying at present but I live in hope. I'll e-mail you soon.
Eggman; your albums are beauties. Wish I'd taken more piccies myself. A few of mine should be on this thread in due course when Ozexpat puts them up.
Chimbu Chuckles; Oh yes... Kagi does stir the memories a bit. Good to see you're doing well. I'm not flying at present but I live in hope. I'll e-mail you soon.
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Dont spose anybody has a few copies of "Black & White" magazine they'd like to share??
[Before there are screams of racist,Black&White was a hilarious paper published in POM in the 70's]
[Before there are screams of racist,Black&White was a hilarious paper published in POM in the 70's]
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I don't have any copies of "Black and White", but I do have back issues of Air Niugini's "Paradise" magazine to give to good homes. The first respondent receives 86 different issues-weight 15 Kgs, whilst the second gets 38 issues-7Kgs (I have two copies of some). Recipients pay freight, Queensland to wherever. Any takers?
I've enjoyed these threads, the memories come flooding back. In my 16+ years in PNG I operated into nearly 200 different strips, but, alas, took very few photographs.
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I've enjoyed these threads, the memories come flooding back. In my 16+ years in PNG I operated into nearly 200 different strips, but, alas, took very few photographs.
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P40 .... don't suppose you have an original No.1 and No.2 do you, the ones with the non glossy cover. They are the only ones I don't have from the first 7 years or so.
One of my "non reflective friends " kids decided to use them for cut and paste one night whilst I was taking money off his dad at cards.
One of my "non reflective friends " kids decided to use them for cut and paste one night whilst I was taking money off his dad at cards.
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Chimbu Chuckles and TwoDogs- the earliest issue I have is no 16 of March, 1979, and the last is no 132 of March- April 1999. 86 copies in all, so obviously some issues missing. I have quite a few from early eighties though.
First in, best dressed.
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First in, best dressed.
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Mi lusim tingting tru...
Pinky ... terribly sorry mate. Yer pics got lost in the shuffle while I was dealing with eggman's pics. So, to hastily rectify the foul-up, here's the URL...
Pinkey's Album
Chuck ... I'm surprised that you didn't comment on the pic of Siwea in eggman's collection. Isn't that one of the places you'd been asking about a while ago? An excellent profile shot, I thought - and a pretty good example of why strip gradient info doesn't mean much in PNG!
Pinkey's Album
Chuck ... I'm surprised that you didn't comment on the pic of Siwea in eggman's collection. Isn't that one of the places you'd been asking about a while ago? An excellent profile shot, I thought - and a pretty good example of why strip gradient info doesn't mean much in PNG!
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Siwea
Yes I noticed it...with some delight...pity it wasn't in the earlier guess the goat track list...I woulda got that one as well
It looks quite innocuous but when checked in there by Paul Curry in Feb 1988 I was told "If you crash here after 10am and survive you will be sacked...before 10am they'll probably discuss it". I think he was probably half joking...maybe. It gets quite a strong wind blowing down the hill after 10am ish at some times of the year...like Kanabea and Sim get strong winds around December to March..so the whole of final was in a huge downdraft.
We got quite good at turning final very high and 'riding' the down draft to touchdown at just the right spot...'cause it was often very slippery in the mornings from previous nights rain...and after lunch from current rain I remember a Morobe Airways pilot broke a 206 in half on the threshold there when he couldn't arrest the sink rate on final once, he wasn't hurt but he litterally hit so hard that the aircraft 'conformed' to the shape of the ground about 2 feet short of the strip...with the engine running flat strap.
The kids there would hide in the long grass at the end and jump up and wave just as you got airborne...images of 'Catch 22' used to flash through my mind every time.
Speaking of Sim, Kanabea and winds...the winds whistling through the Sim Valley and across the hills in that area in the NW season were rippers...I got rolled completely upside down in an Islander once near Lake Trist..kept the roll going and went all the way 'round...pax were not as impressed as they should have been I found over time parts of the valley that were generally smooth and even developed a game of 'ridge soaring' in the Otter...went for about 10 miles one day in flight idle with both feathered and only lost 300 feet average...and one point I was nearly a thousand feet higher than when I started
I've also had a downfraft so violent that 2 tonnes of 'stuff' lifted an inch or two off the floor..straining against the nets...while my nav bag floated shoulder high next to me slowly revolvong around and around...before all crashing back down again
You could fly past Lake Trist enroute Sim and not get a bump...and find Sim had a 15 knot crosswind...when it was bad around Lake Trist I didn't even bother poking my nose into the Sim Valley.
Kanabea was all bad news in the NW season...I've been on right base there at max thrust in an Otter and still descending uncontrollably...flew away and came back the next morning
Siassi (pictured) was another spot that had huge winds...but in the SE season...it sits in an extinct volcanic crater and final approach is through a crack in one side...when I was a boggy Bongo driver with Talair based in Lae I went there two or three times a week on an RPT we had. I was the only pilot they saw, that I'm aware of, for 8 months. Once again over time I developed an approach that missed the worst turbulence...straight in approach that required going through the crack at a very specific height, 1700 feet from memory, 1st stage of flap was all that was required 'cause you were landing into a howling headwind that was being funneled into the crater. I discovered that if I put down full flap I could 'hover taxi' to the parking bay at 2 or 3 feet and then touch down and stop in a few meters On takeoff you just descended out the crack towards the coast thereby missing most of the turbulence and maintaining a surprisingly reasonable load...despite the 30 + kts tailwind.
Mac Lee was going over one day in a Morobe Airways 206 on a coffin charter and asked me about the best way in...gave him all the good gen but he mustn't have believed me...ten minutes after I landed he roared over head, joining crosswind. The gyrations that 206 went through on downwind and base just don't bare thinking about...all the villagers watching were ooing, oohing and ahhing...he went inverted on downwind...it's only as I write this now that it suddenly occurs to me as bizarre that he fought it around the circuit and landed
But that was Mac..it probably just didn't occur to him at the time either
When he landed everything in his shirt pockets had been flung out and the coffin was upside down...despite being tied down...and he was almost white...I stirred him mercilessly for years over that day
Chuck.
It looks quite innocuous but when checked in there by Paul Curry in Feb 1988 I was told "If you crash here after 10am and survive you will be sacked...before 10am they'll probably discuss it". I think he was probably half joking...maybe. It gets quite a strong wind blowing down the hill after 10am ish at some times of the year...like Kanabea and Sim get strong winds around December to March..so the whole of final was in a huge downdraft.
We got quite good at turning final very high and 'riding' the down draft to touchdown at just the right spot...'cause it was often very slippery in the mornings from previous nights rain...and after lunch from current rain
I remember a Morobe Airways pilot broke a 206 in half on the threshold there when he couldn't arrest the sink rate on final once, he wasn't hurt but he litterally hit so hard that the aircraft 'conformed' to the shape of the ground about 2 feet short of the strip...with the engine running flat strap.The kids there would hide in the long grass at the end and jump up and wave just as you got airborne...images of 'Catch 22' used to flash through my mind every time.
Speaking of Sim, Kanabea and winds...the winds whistling through the Sim Valley and across the hills in that area in the NW season were rippers...I got rolled completely upside down in an Islander once near Lake Trist..kept the roll going and went all the way 'round...pax were not as impressed as they should have been
I found over time parts of the valley that were generally smooth and even developed a game of 'ridge soaring' in the Otter...went for about 10 miles one day in flight idle with both feathered and only lost 300 feet average...and one point I was nearly a thousand feet higher than when I started I've also had a downfraft so violent that 2 tonnes of 'stuff' lifted an inch or two off the floor..straining against the nets...while my nav bag floated shoulder high next to me slowly revolvong around and around...before all crashing back down again
You could fly past Lake Trist enroute Sim and not get a bump...and find Sim had a 15 knot crosswind...when it was bad around Lake Trist I didn't even bother poking my nose into the Sim Valley.
Kanabea was all bad news in the NW season...I've been on right base there at max thrust in an Otter and still descending uncontrollably...flew away and came back the next morning
Siassi (pictured) was another spot that had huge winds...but in the SE season...it sits in an extinct volcanic crater and final approach is through a crack in one side...when I was a boggy Bongo driver with Talair based in Lae I went there two or three times a week on an RPT we had. I was the only pilot they saw, that I'm aware of, for 8 months. Once again over time I developed an approach that missed the worst turbulence...straight in approach that required going through the crack at a very specific height, 1700 feet from memory, 1st stage of flap was all that was required 'cause you were landing into a howling headwind that was being funneled into the crater. I discovered that if I put down full flap I could 'hover taxi' to the parking bay at 2 or 3 feet and then touch down and stop in a few meters
On takeoff you just descended out the crack towards the coast thereby missing most of the turbulence and maintaining a surprisingly reasonable load...despite the 30 + kts tailwind.Mac Lee was going over one day in a Morobe Airways 206 on a coffin charter and asked me about the best way in...gave him all the good gen but he mustn't have believed me...ten minutes after I landed he roared over head, joining crosswind. The gyrations that 206 went through on downwind and base just don't bare thinking about...all the villagers watching were ooing, oohing and ahhing...he went inverted on downwind...it's only as I write this now that it suddenly occurs to me as bizarre that he fought it around the circuit and landed
But that was Mac..it probably just didn't occur to him at the time either
When he landed everything in his shirt pockets had been flung out and the coffin was upside down...despite being tied down...and he was almost white...I stirred him mercilessly for years over that day
Chuck.
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The only time I ever got inverted was many years ago, when poking me nose into the Tapini valley, coming in from the coast, in a ...errm... well loaded 206. I'd gone the coastal route because of winds of 30 knots that had existed for the previous two days. They'd prevented us getting any Goilala stuff done and this flight was, as much as anything, to see if conditions were really as rough as I thought.
I think it'd pretty much gone all the way around by the time I got any influence over the aircraft. Back to Moresby to wait another day or two ... and to report that the conditions were just a tad uncomfortable... Never been so sh!t scared in me life!
Chuck ... yeah, I really DID think about including Siwea in the goat-track comp. But then I thought ... what if Chuck fails to recognise it, after having asked for it? Yeah, that was a tempting thought!
I think it'd pretty much gone all the way around by the time I got any influence over the aircraft. Back to Moresby to wait another day or two ... and to report that the conditions were just a tad uncomfortable...
Never been so sh!t scared in me life!Chuck ... yeah, I really DID think about including Siwea in the goat-track comp. But then I thought ... what if Chuck fails to recognise it, after having asked for it? Yeah, that was a tempting thought!
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And I thought I'd had a scare the time on approach to Kamulai having what I thought was full right aileron and still rolling left, and in an Islander too! At least it stopped rolling at about 60deg. and I was able to get everything straight enough to land.
Once got rolled inverted in a pawnee but that's another story.
I remember Mack Lee telling us Simbu drivers a few expletive laden stories but always took them with a grain of salt.
Chuckles ; your story of him being rolled inverted was one he told me if I remember correctly. Truth is stranger than fiction, is'nt it?
Once got rolled inverted in a pawnee but that's another story.
I remember Mack Lee telling us Simbu drivers a few expletive laden stories but always took them with a grain of salt.
Chuckles ; your story of him being rolled inverted was one he told me if I remember correctly. Truth is stranger than fiction, is'nt it?
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I was hammered so bad with turbulence going into Telefomin that I near sh!t.
On departure (402B) had to stay in the Sepik gorge for miles before I was game enough to try climbing out and heading for Wewak
On departure (402B) had to stay in the Sepik gorge for miles before I was game enough to try climbing out and heading for Wewak
