AN 320'S FLY THIS WEEKEND
AN 320'S FLY THIS WEEKEND
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Cant believe that draft.That would interfere with the one airline system and lower fares to the traveling public.No best wait afew years and hope the Chinese jigsaw puzzle works,or we will have to admit that airline systems operate in the national interest and preferably should be owned and operated by national interests.No, best we bury that carcass and somehow kill that bloody spirit that keeps alive in the Ansett extended family.Do you know that a captain in this company has a super payout of almost 1/30th of the payout of the retiring liberal docter for a similar term of service.For god,s sake ,next thing they they will all want polititions conditions.Best let overseas operators in to cherry pick the best routes and pretend to make a profit while they white ant the national interest and smash workers entitlements resulting in the present debacle.Lets bring on the election as a week or two can be a long time in polotics.
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I understand that QF refused leasing arrangements on the A320's due to the large number of outstanding MEL's/PUS's in place.
This combined with the statement that the drivers may be 'stressed' over recent events causing them to be "fatigue" hazards.
This combined with the statement that the drivers may be 'stressed' over recent events causing them to be "fatigue" hazards.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Many at AN are no doubt hoping that this will happen, however I understand that the payment for the leasing is now overdue, so possibly they may be in the air - on their way back to the lessor!
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The Government are not financing AN limited operations on a day to day basis. What they have agreed to do is to establish a trust fund where all ticket sales will be deposited & refunds guaranteed to all ticket purchasers in the event of further suspension of services. This sales generated fund will have a guarantee cap of $25M.
Staff have apparently agreed to some form of wage cuts in an effort to return to profitability. Some people on other threads & sites already complaining of QF gouging.
Staff have apparently agreed to some form of wage cuts in an effort to return to profitability. Some people on other threads & sites already complaining of QF gouging.
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I wonder if the administrator will allow existing ticket holders - those that have purchased tickets between Syd and Mel - to fly using their existing bookings .
If they do they won't generate any revenue from those passengers - as they already hold that money.
If they don't where do the passengers stand?
The old chinese curse "may you live in interestinf times" seems appropriate!
If they do they won't generate any revenue from those passengers - as they already hold that money.
If they don't where do the passengers stand?
The old chinese curse "may you live in interestinf times" seems appropriate!
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I've been wondering that too, Capn Laptop. If I had an existing ticket, and if it weren't to be honoured, then I'd sure as hell not be buying a new one off Ansett. It's very generous of the government to use tax payers money to underwrite the tickets as it is. Could mean that some people pay three times for the one airfare - 1st time when they bought ticket, 2nd time when they bought replacement ticket, 3rd time if Ansett goes broke again.
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If it's Ansett flying on the weekend then how could they refuse to honor Ansett tickets?
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Don't believe being under administration voids contractual obligations.
Imagine the scenes if people with paid-up tickets were knocked back.
Global rewards also.
Don't believe being under administration voids contractual obligations.
Imagine the scenes if people with paid-up tickets were knocked back.
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According to the ABC News online, all tickets purchased prior to today are invalid. So much for contractual obligations. And so much for restoring consumer confidence in Ansett.
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That's right... from ABC News Online
"Ansett's administrators have also confirmed tickets purchased before today are invalid, despite plans to relaunch eleven of the airline's planes.
The administrators are still working to determine if refunds will eventually be available for those ticket holders who are being treated as creditors."
Talk about setting themselves up to fail.
I wonder if the administrator's position is legal.
I think the guarantees the Govt are doing are limited to ticket value. Don't think there's anything guaranteeing hotel accommodation and transport home if they suspend flying while you are away. Don't think aircraft maintenance is necessarily assured either.
It will be very interesting to see how bookings are when they start flying on Saturday, I guess the next few days will prove the consumer confidence pudding.
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I was thinking about the point of not honouring existing AN tickets while enjoying my lunch. I'm even more convinced this is a monumentally stupid decision. It's VERY bad business indeed.
1) The most critical asset AN has to protect and restore is the goodwill of its customers.
2) Carrying an existing ticket holder at least prevents them from spending their money with the competition.
3) The competition has been giving free or heavily discounted travel to AN ticket holders, so AN refusing a client's AN ticket sends a very unwelcoming message indeed.
Any AN people reading this:-
I strongly urge you to accept old tickets on a standby basis as a minimum. I recommend you go further and accept any AN coupons for travel, even if they are for a different route or are now date expired.
Best of luck on Saturday.
[ 27 September 2001: Message edited by: chips_with_everything ]
"Ansett's administrators have also confirmed tickets purchased before today are invalid, despite plans to relaunch eleven of the airline's planes.
The administrators are still working to determine if refunds will eventually be available for those ticket holders who are being treated as creditors."
Talk about setting themselves up to fail.
I wonder if the administrator's position is legal.
I think the guarantees the Govt are doing are limited to ticket value. Don't think there's anything guaranteeing hotel accommodation and transport home if they suspend flying while you are away. Don't think aircraft maintenance is necessarily assured either.
It will be very interesting to see how bookings are when they start flying on Saturday, I guess the next few days will prove the consumer confidence pudding.
Edit starts:-
I was thinking about the point of not honouring existing AN tickets while enjoying my lunch. I'm even more convinced this is a monumentally stupid decision. It's VERY bad business indeed.
1) The most critical asset AN has to protect and restore is the goodwill of its customers.
2) Carrying an existing ticket holder at least prevents them from spending their money with the competition.
3) The competition has been giving free or heavily discounted travel to AN ticket holders, so AN refusing a client's AN ticket sends a very unwelcoming message indeed.
Any AN people reading this:-
I strongly urge you to accept old tickets on a standby basis as a minimum. I recommend you go further and accept any AN coupons for travel, even if they are for a different route or are now date expired.
Best of luck on Saturday.
[ 27 September 2001: Message edited by: chips_with_everything ]
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If refusing to take previously paid for Ansett tickets is the first step to restoring the publics faith in the company I can't possibly imagine what step 2 might be.
The only message I get is F@%& you and the horse you rode in on.
Those of you who have stuck it up QANTAS for "profiteering" from the current domestic aviation debacle need to get back up on your soap boxes and direct the same diatribe at AN MK2.
NOT HAPPY JAN
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MMM Wonder how many will rush back to AN, if and when they fly. Any goodwill they had left, must surley be out the window by now.
The saga continues, the only thing certain is that nothing is certain.
The saga continues, the only thing certain is that nothing is certain.
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SOPS:
The good news for AN staff is that AN Mark 2 sold over 500 tickets today - the first day of issue....
Also the VIC and QLD Governments have pledged that wherever an Ansett flight is available the Public Service MUST use Ansett. VIC govt estimates that for MEL-SYD and CAN that will equate to at least 4000 bookings...
I agree it is stiff about existing tickets but if Ansett is too survive in any form then things have to give. [ Frequent Flyers Gone! :-( ]
Given all the stories of QANTAS gouging and the fact that Virgin Blue is not big enough to smote the evil QANTAS dragon then Ansett Mark 2 is a welcome additon to our skies at this time. It is better than a total shutdown and liquidation of Assets. I am sure that Ansett staff would trade all the ENTITLEMENTS for a chance for future employment. Unfortunately not all will gain full time employment.
Regards
100_above ( A very interested observer who knows NUTHIN!)
The good news for AN staff is that AN Mark 2 sold over 500 tickets today - the first day of issue....
Also the VIC and QLD Governments have pledged that wherever an Ansett flight is available the Public Service MUST use Ansett. VIC govt estimates that for MEL-SYD and CAN that will equate to at least 4000 bookings...
I agree it is stiff about existing tickets but if Ansett is too survive in any form then things have to give. [ Frequent Flyers Gone! :-( ]
Given all the stories of QANTAS gouging and the fact that Virgin Blue is not big enough to smote the evil QANTAS dragon then Ansett Mark 2 is a welcome additon to our skies at this time. It is better than a total shutdown and liquidation of Assets. I am sure that Ansett staff would trade all the ENTITLEMENTS for a chance for future employment. Unfortunately not all will gain full time employment.
Regards
100_above ( A very interested observer who knows NUTHIN!)
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500 tickets, thats about 4 plane loads. I am not sure if that is a good or bad sign. I will reserve my judjement.
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SBS reported at 1850 that 1300 tickets had been sold.
AN was saying 1 ticket a minute.
The signs are good. AN's operations are very reminiscent of VQ's at the moment, minus the tea & coffee & bikkies.
Only phone or internet, $5 booking fee for the phone. No travel agents, etc.
Cheers,
Justin
AN was saying 1 ticket a minute.
The signs are good. AN's operations are very reminiscent of VQ's at the moment, minus the tea & coffee & bikkies.
Only phone or internet, $5 booking fee for the phone. No travel agents, etc.
Cheers,
Justin
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Ok so they are offering VB service at around VB fares, but paying way above VB salaries(at least I assume they are), I some how doubt this is sustainable. However people, please correct me if I am wrong, I await replies.
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I think the public will support Ansett2 and will breathe a sigh of relief with the low fares. Virgin Blue and Qantas instantly put up their fares and took full advantage of the "stranded public". So much for Richard Branson's empty words "A year ago you paid double" no, a year ago you paid half Richard.
The public will be glad to see Ansett back in the sky and stop the opportunism of Virgin and Qantas
The public will be glad to see Ansett back in the sky and stop the opportunism of Virgin and Qantas