Future of Virgin Blue in Doubt??
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Boeing Belly, Singapore Airlines are notorious for NOT rushing into ANY deals, and for THOROUGHLY researching anything that involves parting with cash - no more evident than this was their hesitation to commit themselves to Ansett! As I have maintained all along, Singapore would only be interested in a share of Ansett (in the past, and in the future) to be able to gain further international destinations which they are unable to obtain in their own right.
Dambuster, your previous posts over the past 12 months have indicated where your sentiments lie, and I guess now that you have plenty of time on the ground, your imagination has been able to run amok!
The TOTAL COLLAPSE of Ansett was nothing short of an unexpected lottery windfall for Virgin Blue and I venture to say that IF Richard Branson has taken $50m offshore, it would have been a fraction of a percentage of the profit upsurge that Virgin Blue has experienced since September 13.
In fact Virgin Blue staff ought to feel some debt of gratitude to Ansett for their meteoric, UNPLANNED ascension to Australia's Number 2 Airline!.............................and what BETTER time to offer VB for sale.
Branson is an entrepeneur, and would obviously stand to make a tidy sum if he can sell VB NOW at the price HE is asking.
Wasn't it Branson, who - when asked what he would do with Ansett, if got control of it - replied something along the lines of "Shut it down, and start again."
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Dambuster, your previous posts over the past 12 months have indicated where your sentiments lie, and I guess now that you have plenty of time on the ground, your imagination has been able to run amok!
The TOTAL COLLAPSE of Ansett was nothing short of an unexpected lottery windfall for Virgin Blue and I venture to say that IF Richard Branson has taken $50m offshore, it would have been a fraction of a percentage of the profit upsurge that Virgin Blue has experienced since September 13.
In fact Virgin Blue staff ought to feel some debt of gratitude to Ansett for their meteoric, UNPLANNED ascension to Australia's Number 2 Airline!.............................and what BETTER time to offer VB for sale.
Branson is an entrepeneur, and would obviously stand to make a tidy sum if he can sell VB NOW at the price HE is asking.
Wasn't it Branson, who - when asked what he would do with Ansett, if got control of it - replied something along the lines of "Shut it down, and start again."
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What planet are you living on?
If you owned the lease on a property and subsequently sublet limited use to a third party, you would expect that if the usage varied upwards from the original agreement, then an increase in rent would be appropriate.
That is the commercial reality.
If you can not see that, then should you consider changing your log in name to "visibility reduced to 50 metres in fog" ?
What planet are you living on?
If you owned the lease on a property and subsequently sublet limited use to a third party, you would expect that if the usage varied upwards from the original agreement, then an increase in rent would be appropriate.
That is the commercial reality.
If you can not see that, then should you consider changing your log in name to "visibility reduced to 50 metres in fog" ?
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Virgins Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane terminals were all payed for by the taxpayer. If the new terminal in Adelaide goes ahead, Virgin move into the old one, also paid for by the taxpayer. If the facilities are either outgrown or found inadequate then they should do what Ansett and Qantas have had to, spend a couple of hundred million dollars and build new ones!
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Virgin won't have to do that,as they will simply lease the vacated Ansett terminal space. That too was originally built with taxpayer's money.
I guess it all boils down to timing and Branson timed it "just right"!
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I guess it all boils down to timing and Branson timed it "just right"!
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Whiskerey,
wouldn`t be buying a 500k pad in Brisbane if I were you,never know where you maybe in the next year or so.
You have your level playing field,stop whinging,the fights on and only one of us will be left standing.
wouldn`t be buying a 500k pad in Brisbane if I were you,never know where you maybe in the next year or so.
You have your level playing field,stop whinging,the fights on and only one of us will be left standing.
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Whiskery, dont get too smug. Ansett has something that Virgin don't- Terminals, and lots of them. I'd like to see Virgin squeeze 25-30 737's into their Sydney terminal. I went to the Lindsey Fox address in Melbourne the other day, and when he was asked about Virgin and terminal access he promptly turned around, dropped his dacks and said "Virgin can kiss my arse". I think you'll have to either fight us or join us. He's got 29 brand new A319/320s on the way, building to 41. We're still in Star Alliance, pretty soon travel agents will be selling our tickets again and many corporate clients are keen to fly with us again. I wouldn't underestimate the power of Lew/Fox, their pockets are just as deep as Bransons. The new Ansetts operating costs are said to be 25% less than QFs and as good as on a par with Virgins. Add this to the fact that Ansett are to cherry pick the routes and things look very good. The jewel in the crown are the terminals, we've got them and you do'nt.
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Hey doggy - I have some bad news for you mate. SQ are not the slightest bit interested in the domestic side of Ansett,as I have said all along. If Lindsay is not prepared to commit his money to the cause - the battle is over.
As for $500k for a pad in Brisbane. I have never lived in a "pad" worth that much let alone buying one. I think you AN boys were getting paid too much!
Welcome to the real world doggy '69.
As for $500k for a pad in Brisbane. I have never lived in a "pad" worth that much let alone buying one. I think you AN boys were getting paid too much!
Welcome to the real world doggy '69.
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BB - so Lindsay Fox can only talk with his @ss. Well that's a relief - thought we may have been up against some real competition there for a moment. Another thing I love about trucking magnates (as with his predecessor) - have NO conceivable idea how to run an airline!
Now let's see - DJ has 25 aircraft flying at the moment and AN has 5. Who has to join whom Boeing Belly ?
I think you'll have to either fight us or join us.
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Whiskerey,
fights on,stop whingeing.
The reason you wont live in a nice suburb is because you have reduced pilots wages to a poor middle class.I can understand though,being the fish that John West rejected,having to pay for your endorsement because it was the only airline job available to you.
The beauty of being well paid in boom times is the boom investments;breathing space so if I choose to leave AN I don`t have to work for your crappy outfit.
One will be left standing,it doesn`t panic me though.
fights on,stop whingeing.
The reason you wont live in a nice suburb is because you have reduced pilots wages to a poor middle class.I can understand though,being the fish that John West rejected,having to pay for your endorsement because it was the only airline job available to you.
The beauty of being well paid in boom times is the boom investments;breathing space so if I choose to leave AN I don`t have to work for your crappy outfit.
One will be left standing,it doesn`t panic me though.
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First class CEO (that) you've got there, Boring Belly:
..someone you can all look up to 
bulldog,...The beauty of being well paid NOW is enjoying a monthly salary!!
Personally, I sincerely hope that the junior guys in Ansett are able to weather the storm, and see pr!cks such as yourself for what you REALLY are!!!
Lindsey Fox address in Melbourne the other day...dropped his dacks and said "Virgin can kiss my arse".
bulldog,...The beauty of being well paid NOW is enjoying a monthly salary!!
Personally, I sincerely hope that the junior guys in Ansett are able to weather the storm, and see pr!cks such as yourself for what you REALLY are!!!
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Makeshift terminal in Virgin blue
By CHARLES WATERHOUSE
02dec01
PASSENGERS on Virgin Blue's first early-morning flight from Launceston to Melbourne yesterday checked in under a marquee.
The marquee has been set up in the Ansett staff car park at Launceston Airport because of a dispute between Ansett and Virgin Blue over use of Ansett terminal space.
Passengers were ticked off passenger lists and their baggage carried to a luggage cart.
They walked to the Qantas terminal to pass through security and on to their flight.
The new daily Launceston-Melbourne 6.55am service is an addition to a daily lunchtime service for which Ansett is allowing Virgin Blue to use its terminal space.
Virgin Blue public relations manager Amanda Bolger said: "Passengers don't understand why Ansett, which has creditors out there, don't want the money we would pay to rent the terminal."
Ansett administrators have accused Virgin Blue of "publicity stunts" over terminal access disputes at Canberra and Launceston airports.
But Ms Bolger's response to this accusation was: "Bollocks".
"We won't lie down and take it without kicking up a stink."
There are unconfirmed reports Virgin Blue is to get the go- ahead to use the Ansett terminal in Launceston, but Ansett's administrators could not be contacted yesterday.
Tony Peck, chairman of northern tourism body Gateway Tasmania, slammed Ansett's administrators and said the situation was "absolutely ridiculous".
He said federal subsidies for Ansett flights should stop.
Mr Peck has written to Prime Minister John Howard and federal Transport Minister John Anderson calling for a level playing field.
Meanwhile Mr Peck said air travellers were "voting with their feet" not to travel on Ansett services to Melbourne.
Makeshift terminal in Virgin blue
By CHARLES WATERHOUSE
02dec01
PASSENGERS on Virgin Blue's first early-morning flight from Launceston to Melbourne yesterday checked in under a marquee.
The marquee has been set up in the Ansett staff car park at Launceston Airport because of a dispute between Ansett and Virgin Blue over use of Ansett terminal space.
Passengers were ticked off passenger lists and their baggage carried to a luggage cart.
They walked to the Qantas terminal to pass through security and on to their flight.
The new daily Launceston-Melbourne 6.55am service is an addition to a daily lunchtime service for which Ansett is allowing Virgin Blue to use its terminal space.
Virgin Blue public relations manager Amanda Bolger said: "Passengers don't understand why Ansett, which has creditors out there, don't want the money we would pay to rent the terminal."
Ansett administrators have accused Virgin Blue of "publicity stunts" over terminal access disputes at Canberra and Launceston airports.
But Ms Bolger's response to this accusation was: "Bollocks".
"We won't lie down and take it without kicking up a stink."
There are unconfirmed reports Virgin Blue is to get the go- ahead to use the Ansett terminal in Launceston, but Ansett's administrators could not be contacted yesterday.
Tony Peck, chairman of northern tourism body Gateway Tasmania, slammed Ansett's administrators and said the situation was "absolutely ridiculous".
He said federal subsidies for Ansett flights should stop.
Mr Peck has written to Prime Minister John Howard and federal Transport Minister John Anderson calling for a level playing field.
Meanwhile Mr Peck said air travellers were "voting with their feet" not to travel on Ansett services to Melbourne.
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Whiskery- Ansett has 15 aircraft flying at the moment, are you sure Virgin have 25 as we speak? Kaptin M- Thanks for the insult, I wasn't going to buy into your fight but from now on you'll be fair game.
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Kaptin M's last post confirms what I said on a previous thread (More 89 stuff etc) that he is psychologically unstable and at the lower end of the intellectual spectrum - a bottom feeder at the shallow end of the gene pool!!
It seems he is the only one who doesn't realise it.
It seems he is the only one who doesn't realise it.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Is that a professional psychological evaluation,
Norman (Kaptin_Xalias Rabid Dog 89) or merely some personal abuse directed at me to make YOU feel better?
Either way, it contributes absolutely ZILCH to what this thread is about!
And I still stick to my point that Virgin Blue owes its RAPID ascension to Ansett's collapse.
Do anyone deny it?
"Kaptin M's last post confirms what I said on a previous thread (More 89 stuff etc) that he is psychologically unstable and at the lower end of the intellectual spectrum - a bottom feeder at the shallow end of the gene pool!!
It seems he is the only one who doesn't realise it".
It seems he is the only one who doesn't realise it".
Either way, it contributes absolutely ZILCH to what this thread is about!
And I still stick to my point that Virgin Blue owes its RAPID ascension to Ansett's collapse.
Do anyone deny it?
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Kaptain M,
am getting a monthly salary and am weathering the storm and am a junior pilot.
Nice to see your heartfelt sentiments.
Thanks for f$$$$$$g the industry due your ineptitude in 89,yes you were a victim of conspiracies and human failings,but the lessons were there in history.Now you come back flying for peanuts with VB further degenerating conditions because you still don`t have industrial muscle/sense to negotiate a reasonable contract.
You and your mates,and those who went the other way,did turn us into glorified busdrivers.
am getting a monthly salary and am weathering the storm and am a junior pilot.
Nice to see your heartfelt sentiments.
Thanks for f$$$$$$g the industry due your ineptitude in 89,yes you were a victim of conspiracies and human failings,but the lessons were there in history.Now you come back flying for peanuts with VB further degenerating conditions because you still don`t have industrial muscle/sense to negotiate a reasonable contract.
You and your mates,and those who went the other way,did turn us into glorified busdrivers.
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May we digress for a moment and get back on the subject. After viewing Sunday Business this morning I am convinced that Virgin Blue's future is in NO DOUBT ! In fact, it is probably in better shape than most predicted after young Mark aired his views. I'll make a further prediction:-
Fox/Lew will withdraw their offer before the 31st January and Lang Corp will own a number of Ansett terminals shortly thereafter.
Fox/Lew will withdraw their offer before the 31st January and Lang Corp will own a number of Ansett terminals shortly thereafter.
Nunc est bibendum
I think you'll find BD69 tha the Kap M doesn't work for Virgin.
He works a little further north than Brisbane- seems pretty happy with his lot too!
The fact he still feels strongly about Ansett doesn't surprise me.
And he is correct. The ONLY reason VB is where it is at the moment is due to Ansett falling over!
He works a little further north than Brisbane- seems pretty happy with his lot too!
The fact he still feels strongly about Ansett doesn't surprise me.
And he is correct. The ONLY reason VB is where it is at the moment is due to Ansett falling over!
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Perhaps there is another aspect we might like to consider and that is this :-
A) Do we consider that Sir R Branson was/is wise enough to have his ear to the ground to such an extent that he took a calculated guess knowing all that has happened with the Ansett ownership over the last 20 years, would probably end up in failure?
or
B) Having such an attitude to monopolistc Airline services that have operated in various countries around the world, decided his next challange was Australia and having received some money for Virgin Atlantic, decided to give it a go, and some 15 months later Ansett fell over and gave him his greatest and completely unexpected opportunity to become a second major airline srvice in Australia ?
May the debate commence.
A) Do we consider that Sir R Branson was/is wise enough to have his ear to the ground to such an extent that he took a calculated guess knowing all that has happened with the Ansett ownership over the last 20 years, would probably end up in failure?
or
B) Having such an attitude to monopolistc Airline services that have operated in various countries around the world, decided his next challange was Australia and having received some money for Virgin Atlantic, decided to give it a go, and some 15 months later Ansett fell over and gave him his greatest and completely unexpected opportunity to become a second major airline srvice in Australia ?
May the debate commence.