Not the big O?
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Not the big O?
Does outsourcing (the big O) contribute to the instances of aircraft failure Qf is having????
Rome...747 main gear...outsourced
EAQ...P+W engine......outsourced
Thats two from two.
Safety comes from Quality, quality comes from a concerted effort to achieve safety.
None of this is provided by the cheapest bidder.
Now, QFs 767s are being maintained in Singapore and New Zealand. Quality?? is that an item on the invoice I wonder???
Rome...747 main gear...outsourced
EAQ...P+W engine......outsourced
Thats two from two.
Safety comes from Quality, quality comes from a concerted effort to achieve safety.
None of this is provided by the cheapest bidder.
Now, QFs 767s are being maintained in Singapore and New Zealand. Quality?? is that an item on the invoice I wonder???
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What about the landing gear doors?
Was that some outsourced work or done in-house?
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Was that some outsourced work or done in-house?
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As opposed to the P&W fan blade that let go a number of years back when it was in house?
Or what about the AC BUS failure about 20 months ago, I'm sure that wasn't outsourced?
How about......
Engine failures happen. To try and turn it into and 'outsourcing' industrial issue may be missing the point- then again, it could well be the entire point!
Or what about the AC BUS failure about 20 months ago, I'm sure that wasn't outsourced?
How about......
Engine failures happen. To try and turn it into and 'outsourcing' industrial issue may be missing the point- then again, it could well be the entire point!
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-- just a thought - better quality CAN (not always) come from staff with a certain degree of loyalty and goodwill - and from those people who take pride in their work (an attribute many qantas staff used to have - and luckily a few still do have) .....this is something you dont usually get from outsourcing 
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Softon,
Are you saying that people who work for Qantas take more pride in their work than those who dont.
PLEASE
I have noticed the opposite to be the case, that people who work for small sized companies are proud of their work and work hard at it as well.
Are you saying that people who work for Qantas take more pride in their work than those who dont.
PLEASE
I have noticed the opposite to be the case, that people who work for small sized companies are proud of their work and work hard at it as well.
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proooonhead, i suggest you read my post again. and maybe pay a little more attention to words such as - CAN, USED TO, etc .... and - and i stress and - in fact the opposite of what you said could be taken to have been implied, then again, maybe not......... Ever heard of sitting on a fence.....
btw, softon is someone else entirely.
btw, softon is someone else entirely.
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MUM,
Sorry but I must have eaten way too many of those magic pills in dark rooms etc etc, because I missed the intent of your post on my first second and third readings, it was a tad escoteric for me im afraid!!
anyways, I also now know too not to shorten your name to softon, but abbreviating it to just "mum" doesent sit well with me......do u mind if I call you MUMMY
Sorry but I must have eaten way too many of those magic pills in dark rooms etc etc, because I missed the intent of your post on my first second and third readings, it was a tad escoteric for me im afraid!!
anyways, I also now know too not to shorten your name to softon, but abbreviating it to just "mum" doesent sit well with me......do u mind if I call you MUMMY
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Gaunty + Capt + co.
Initial contacts (who would know) have said that no mech reason for the failure. Also, dual cert procedures would mean that rigging would have have to be out on both doors, with both dual certing lames missing the big cracking sound on gear up/down ground testing. Unk if the high speed decent procedure was used...I suggest acars, atc and the Capt would be the only ones who can answer that with accuracy.
Thanks to all for the comments re the big O.
It is a raw nerve to those engineers (I like to think anyone with PILOTS and PAX lives in the hands of their work is an engineer) who still do pride themselves in the quality of their craft, that their employer chooses a system of maintenance which does not match the reputation of their own employees. And then goes above and beyond to alienate them at every turn.
Whew, with that over with I bid you all good day.
[ 29 November 2001: Message edited by: moremj2 ]
Initial contacts (who would know) have said that no mech reason for the failure. Also, dual cert procedures would mean that rigging would have have to be out on both doors, with both dual certing lames missing the big cracking sound on gear up/down ground testing. Unk if the high speed decent procedure was used...I suggest acars, atc and the Capt would be the only ones who can answer that with accuracy.
Thanks to all for the comments re the big O.
It is a raw nerve to those engineers (I like to think anyone with PILOTS and PAX lives in the hands of their work is an engineer) who still do pride themselves in the quality of their craft, that their employer chooses a system of maintenance which does not match the reputation of their own employees. And then goes above and beyond to alienate them at every turn.
Whew, with that over with I bid you all good day.
[ 29 November 2001: Message edited by: moremj2 ]
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OK moremj2, now I know you are full of it.
The doors that went are both on the same side of the aircraft. I know this because I went and looked at the aeroplane on the ground in DN. The 'two doors' referred to are the two different 'doors' on that one side of the aircraft (the right side).
I dare say that one coming off would take the other one out on the way through!!!
From what I have heard/seen (although I'm not in full knowledge of the facts but have heard a bit about it having been through DN a couple of times in the days after the event) there has NEVER been any mention of an overspeed of the gear limit.
[ 29 November 2001: Message edited by: Keg ]
The doors that went are both on the same side of the aircraft. I know this because I went and looked at the aeroplane on the ground in DN. The 'two doors' referred to are the two different 'doors' on that one side of the aircraft (the right side).
I dare say that one coming off would take the other one out on the way through!!!
From what I have heard/seen (although I'm not in full knowledge of the facts but have heard a bit about it having been through DN a couple of times in the days after the event) there has NEVER been any mention of an overspeed of the gear limit.
[ 29 November 2001: Message edited by: Keg ]
