AN A320 crew layoffs?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Devonport Tasmania Australia
Posts: 1,837
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
AN A320 crew layoffs?
There was a news broadcast here an hour ago that stated 38 AN A320 flight deck crew had been laid off.
Tasmanian Media is about as reliable as a TU154, so can anyone shed any informed light on this?
Best all
EWL
Tasmanian Media is about as reliable as a TU154, so can anyone shed any informed light on this?
Best all
EWL
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Devonport Tasmania Australia
Posts: 1,837
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks Okie - Tas news was only 30% out for a change.
The selection process is giving me nasty flashbacks of the Fat Man days.
Please dont let it be a similar regime.
EWL
The selection process is giving me nasty flashbacks of the Fat Man days.
Please dont let it be a similar regime.
EWL
Join Date: May 2000
Location: the world
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
EWL,
The stories are only half true.
Some of the 38 did not apply to be part of the new company (they wanted redundancy), not sure of the numbers, some had resigened (they accepted other jobs before they were able to take redundancy as the package was initially not available to A320 crews), again not sure of the numbers. I know of 7 that were not chosen even though they applied.
There may be more but the 7 are the only names that I have heard of that where rejected outright.
The stories are only half true.
Some of the 38 did not apply to be part of the new company (they wanted redundancy), not sure of the numbers, some had resigened (they accepted other jobs before they were able to take redundancy as the package was initially not available to A320 crews), again not sure of the numbers. I know of 7 that were not chosen even though they applied.
There may be more but the 7 are the only names that I have heard of that where rejected outright.
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Australia
Posts: 146
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know of at least one A320 Pilot who applied for redundancy and did not apply to the EOI. I don't know what happened to him as he said there was no way he would sign the new low pay contract. I suppose he will be made redundant. Some A320 Pilot's choose on principal not to work for Tesna.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Devonport Tasmania Australia
Posts: 1,837
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
And now some question if AN staff will sign off on the Tesna takeover to save their entitlements. For heavens sake - every single ticket sold for months now has had a $10.00 levee on it - domestic and international. This would surely more than cover the $240m in entitlements and change. Where in hell has that gone??
Ask the question peoples - loud and clear.
EWL
Ask the question peoples - loud and clear.
EWL
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Devonport Tasmania Australia
Posts: 1,837
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
That is patently obvious Bushy - there is something really rotten in Denmark and it aint the herrings.
The government is sitty on hundreds of millions and saying nothing.
EWL
The government is sitty on hundreds of millions and saying nothing.
EWL
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Probably being witheld until after January 31 to cover any possible default for tickets purchased with Ansett - after all it is called the Ansett tax!
IF the FLEW proposal goes ahead (and isn't that looking interesting!), then the money might be dished out after 31/1. If the FLEW deal falls through, then the Gov't may hold onto any money until the new owners are securely ensconced.
IF the FLEW proposal goes ahead (and isn't that looking interesting!), then the money might be dished out after 31/1. If the FLEW deal falls through, then the Gov't may hold onto any money until the new owners are securely ensconced.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Devonport Tasmania Australia
Posts: 1,837
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks Kaptin M
Either way there should be a clear path and full advice on when and where the entilements will be paid surely. Something that is allegedly covered shoul not be standing in the way of a resoultion and finalisation of the Airlines future.
EWL
Either way there should be a clear path and full advice on when and where the entilements will be paid surely. Something that is allegedly covered shoul not be standing in the way of a resoultion and finalisation of the Airlines future.
EWL
I thought the Ansett tax was to raise money to pay for Ansett employees entitlements who have been made redundant.
I don't think it was ever offered as a guarantee for Tesna employees which the lucky(?) ones will become.
Could be wrong here but seems you guys are mixing up two different companies.
The article is about employees who go to Tesna wanting a guarantee of entitlements if Tesna goes tits up.
Govt levy (Ansett Tax) was to raise money to provide a loan to pay out entitlemants for those who were made redundant at Ansett.
I don't think it was ever offered as a guarantee for Tesna employees which the lucky(?) ones will become.
Could be wrong here but seems you guys are mixing up two different companies.
The article is about employees who go to Tesna wanting a guarantee of entitlements if Tesna goes tits up.
Govt levy (Ansett Tax) was to raise money to provide a loan to pay out entitlemants for those who were made redundant at Ansett.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Devonport Tasmania Australia
Posts: 1,837
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Kiwi - the way I understand it all former Ansett employees are redundant - those that have been lucky enough to be re-employed are coming back as new employees therefore all former entitlements should be paid out in full or carried by the new employer.
I stand to be corrected but logic dictates that unless the staff are all paid out in full, their entitlements carry over.
EWL
I stand to be corrected but logic dictates that unless the staff are all paid out in full, their entitlements carry over.
EWL
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Australia
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wirraway,
Had a look at the nine.msn article and get angry when I read some of the company spokesman's comments. I guess the spokesman is from the Human Resources department which is the first part of the organisation which should have been pruned.
Quote; "sacked pilots failed to make the grade"
That is the most crass insensitive and cruel statement that could be made. The fact is that there was a limited number of jobs available and there was a surplus of excellent, highly qualified, competent pilots who could not be placed. It is patently untrue that they " failed to make the grade."
Bloody shameful!!!!
[ 12 January 2002: Message edited by: Flat Side Up ]</p>
Had a look at the nine.msn article and get angry when I read some of the company spokesman's comments. I guess the spokesman is from the Human Resources department which is the first part of the organisation which should have been pruned.
Quote; "sacked pilots failed to make the grade"
That is the most crass insensitive and cruel statement that could be made. The fact is that there was a limited number of jobs available and there was a surplus of excellent, highly qualified, competent pilots who could not be placed. It is patently untrue that they " failed to make the grade."
Bloody shameful!!!!
[ 12 January 2002: Message edited by: Flat Side Up ]</p>
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Devonport Tasmania Australia
Posts: 1,837
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Flat Side
I fully agree - If they failed to make the grade what in hell were they doing in the job in the first place??
AN was as fastidious with crew selection as any other Airline.
It is simply a cop out to claim crews to be substandard when following internal agendas.
EWL
I fully agree - If they failed to make the grade what in hell were they doing in the job in the first place??
AN was as fastidious with crew selection as any other Airline.
It is simply a cop out to claim crews to be substandard when following internal agendas.
EWL
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Tin Can
Posts: 86
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know of at least one A320 Captain who "failed the grade" and was not offered a position back who has been snapped up by Emirates and just started there.
He couldn't have been so bad after all.
Makes one wonder about the APA/Tesna selection process!
He couldn't have been so bad after all.
Makes one wonder about the APA/Tesna selection process!