Can Ansett pilots work in Australia?

[clear to land]

This is my 1st post re '89'.
1. I was in GA during the dispute, not an airline. Yes, the pilots were screwed over by the Govt and ACTU (that is a matter of public record).
2. I do not believe their is anything wrong with national pride, and I believe that a little more wouldn't go astray in this country. It's worth being proud of, leftyies, greenies, democrats and bleeding hearts excepted.
3. The ANZAC spirit is more about mateship than pure nationalism, but the fundamental principal is ALWAYS help your mates. These men fought for everybodies right to have a fair go, and not to be stabbed in the back.
4. If the people employed immediately post dispute do end up in the employment que, hiring them would denigrate the efforts of all who stood by their principals during the dispute. Quote:'as ye sow, so shall ye reap', after all what goes around comes around.

[Tool Time]

Now there's an interesting comment from a sideliner of '89

[capt moonlight]

You bad boy M don't you know that unlike us everything they do is for their families and not themselves. Have pity as it's all they(the heroes) deserve.
P.S. How's the well paid overseas job with lots of leave going ?

[Slasher]

Clear to land, like Tooley Ill pay you that one too. Regarding your 2nd point post the only day Im proud to be Australian is on ANZAC Day. The other 364 days Im a world citizen . I no longer give a stuff nor have any loyalty to any political, cultural or geographical land mass whether mum spat me out there or not. Most world citizens have the same attitude. Parochial nationalism is expensive because it limits the financial opportunitys the world can offer you.

[MJMJKG]

Stick it to 'em Kaptin You continue to raise very valid points. I for one forced, oversea's by these selfish people throughly enjoy you posts.!!

[ 10 September 2001: Message edited by: MJMJKG ]

[Mir3]

Pharknose. Obviously you have a decent conk! Please be fair and allow me my views as we all allow others their indefatigable opinions on these forums.

[7x7]

For those of you frothing at the mouth about Kapt M's "unAustralian"(?) remark in opening this thread, I can tell you I have here a newspaper clipping including a photograph of the first President of the Ansett Pilot's Union, Captain Richard Marman, making the very statement Kapt M attributes to him - that it would be "unsafe for AN to employ '89'ers' because of friction on the flight deck because of the ill-feeling between the two groups."

[knackered]

So will Capt Marman be including this little snippet in his resume then?

[Casper]

Marman set the precedent. No heroes will be employed....ANYWHERE.

[Sir Shiraz]

Didn't all the pilots who left Oz after 89 actually RESIGN from their airline jobs ???????????

[Levelflt]

I feel very sorry for all the AN support staff, but as for the pilots, what goes around comes around.

[Pharknose]

It is a sad sad day that AN has had to close it's doors. I wish well to all 16,000 employees that are not scabs. Good luck.

[Capt Groper]

My deepest condolences to most of the Ansett employees.

It's unfortunate that we are only "mere employee numbers", who can be cast aside at the wim of those who are poor managers.

But those of the '89 era, I can only say, it has gone around.

Good on ya Le Pilot, Airbrake42, Flyspray, Amos, Tool Time, Levelflt, Pharknose and others who have something sensible to say.

Mir3's attitude is unbeleivable.

[john_tullamarine]

Sir Shiraz,

You would do yourself a favour if you researched the subject prior to making silly comments out of context.

[Tool Time]

Guess whose books are suddenly filled with applcants for OS jobs. RAL & Skinny.

[ANFO]

I recieved a reply to a query that I e-mailed to a prospective employer. This query related to the prospect of flying with non-returnees of the '89 dipute. The personnel manager at this company has stated that.."The management of XYZ Airlines promotes a harmonious work environment.Employees who engage in any conduct that is found to constitute harrassment will subject to disiplinary action. Penalties for such behaviours(sic)include summarary dismissal". I recall some years ago, certain non-returnees lost their jobs at MAS and SQ for using the "S" word at some of their ex-collegues. I guess that a few guys out there are going to have too bite their tongue and mind their manners in the near future. Kind regards to all.

[Slasher]

ANFO, non-scabs wont have a problem making aplications OS. Anyone not on the published scab-list will not meet any real resistance from us off-shore. The only stigma theyll have to live with is that they came from a ratbag scab outfit.
Dont know about MAS but in SQ I gave thorough sh!t to the Continental scabs and never got into any trouble with management. Then again the non-scab US-expat componant of SQ gave them far more hell than any Aussie did.

[Kaptin M]

ANFO your story of "certain NON-returnees losing their jobs at MAS and SQ for using the word SCAB", is totally incorrect - obviously some wishful thinking HERO trying to promote propaganda.

Scabs that worked in ANY airline (except for EVA Air) are pariahs amongst pilots - they are not accepted even by those who have had no direct dealings with them. How do I know this? Because the subject of where the (now "ex") Ansett returnees will try to go next, has been raised with other NON-AUSTRALIAN pilots, and THEY will likewise voice THEIR disapproval to contractors and employer, IF they (The scabs/heroes) try to gain employment.

I also understand that the "scab lists" have been sent to contractors.

Again, what was handed out to those who attempted to return through the front door, rather than sneek back, is NOW going to be dished BACK.
Nothing unfair about that, is there?

Aviation is TOO small a profession to 5h!t on other people and think that it will forever go unnoticed, or unrepaid.

The toes that you step on today might be connected to the foot in the shoes that you have to clean tomorrow!

Sui Generis.

[Slasher]

K.M. do you know if Neil P will be updating "the list" as time goes on? Ive heard from a reliable source some foreign scabs may change there name by deed poll to improve there employment prospects. But I dont know how true that is because it doesnt sound very efective unless they try to bullsh!t there employment history (which I wouldnt put past them).

Sui Generis mate.

[Viper]

Sir Shiraz.

You will never receive a defintive yes/no answer to that question.

[ 15 September 2001: Message edited by: Viper ]