For those of you frothing at the mouth about Kapt M's "unAustralian"(?) remark in opening this thread, I can tell you I have here a newspaper clipping including a photograph of the first President of the Ansett Pilot's Union, Captain Richard Marman, making the very statement Kapt M attributes to him - that it would be "unsafe for AN to employ '89'ers' because of friction on the flight deck because of the ill-feeling between the two groups."