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Why Bother??
I've heard that a guy doing the Civ. Av. course at Uni SA has sat and failed his CPL(A) theory 4 times!!!
I was just wondering if anyone else out there has heard of anything like this happening.
You'd think after failing for the second time, you would be seriously looking at other career paths!
I was just wondering if anyone else out there has heard of anything like this happening.
You'd think after failing for the second time, you would be seriously looking at other career paths!
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How many times do you think the Wright brothers crashed before achieving flight? How many amazing musicians cannot read music? If a couple fail to fall pregnant after just a few attempts do they give up? How many times did Chuck attempt to break the sound barrier before he finally succeeded?
I think that this thread should be edited. It needlessly identifies somebody that is obviously making an effort and is probably an excellent pilot.
I am sure there are people here who failed the current ATPL flight planning exam over and over…does that mean that we aren’t fit for the cockpit of a Boeing?
I think that this thread should be edited. It needlessly identifies somebody that is obviously making an effort and is probably an excellent pilot.
I am sure there are people here who failed the current ATPL flight planning exam over and over…does that mean that we aren’t fit for the cockpit of a Boeing?
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How well do his instructors teach him....
Sometimes the understanding of the layout of the questions is the key to passing the exam, not just knowing the information.
I know one very successful (now retired test pilot) who failed his senior commercials eight times prior to requesting a verbal examination. He then passed with an obscenely high mark.
There are always a number of factors governing a pass or fail result. More failures usually results in a loss of confidence, confusion and reluctance to sit again.
Its not an easy test, its not meant to be but encouragement, good quality tutorage and some understanding would probably go a long way to helping this person. A little experience often makes a huge difference as well.
Good luck to him, I hope he gets the right sort of help and if he gives it another go hes got more guts than alot of people.
Sometimes the understanding of the layout of the questions is the key to passing the exam, not just knowing the information.
I know one very successful (now retired test pilot) who failed his senior commercials eight times prior to requesting a verbal examination. He then passed with an obscenely high mark.
There are always a number of factors governing a pass or fail result. More failures usually results in a loss of confidence, confusion and reluctance to sit again.
Its not an easy test, its not meant to be but encouragement, good quality tutorage and some understanding would probably go a long way to helping this person. A little experience often makes a huge difference as well.
Good luck to him, I hope he gets the right sort of help and if he gives it another go hes got more guts than alot of people.
VH-TMP,
If he is prepared to persist then obviously he has dedication. Aptitude, of course, is quite another matter. Aviation history is replete with examples of pilots who repeatedly failed, or just passed, theory examinations but who, once in the air, became one with their machines and were very skilled pilots. This is particularly so in wartime, when pilots are required in some quantity, but it still occurs in less troubled times.
We all seek standardised tests on which to base assessments of an individual's suitability for a given task. For the most part they provide a reasonably quantitative appraisal but human beings are infinitely variable and not all are amenable to standardised tests, irrespective of ability or natural aptitude.
In due course, should the individual concerned finally pass his CPL(A), aptitude will be tested/assessed. The filtering process may not be perfect, but for the main part, it is effective enough.
I understand the road to a commercial career is far from straight, nor is it smooth. The CPL(A) is but a stage on the journey. If the person you refer to has both aptitude and dedication, he will emerge triumphant and may well make an excellent pilot.
If not, then the filter worked.
If he is prepared to persist then obviously he has dedication. Aptitude, of course, is quite another matter. Aviation history is replete with examples of pilots who repeatedly failed, or just passed, theory examinations but who, once in the air, became one with their machines and were very skilled pilots. This is particularly so in wartime, when pilots are required in some quantity, but it still occurs in less troubled times.
We all seek standardised tests on which to base assessments of an individual's suitability for a given task. For the most part they provide a reasonably quantitative appraisal but human beings are infinitely variable and not all are amenable to standardised tests, irrespective of ability or natural aptitude.
In due course, should the individual concerned finally pass his CPL(A), aptitude will be tested/assessed. The filtering process may not be perfect, but for the main part, it is effective enough.
I understand the road to a commercial career is far from straight, nor is it smooth. The CPL(A) is but a stage on the journey. If the person you refer to has both aptitude and dedication, he will emerge triumphant and may well make an excellent pilot.
If not, then the filter worked.
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VH-TMP
For a start, who cares how many times someone sat a commercial theory exam.
Secondly, you do not have anything to do with VH-TMP, and therefore it is insulting to those of us who fly that aircraft, ESPECIALLY when you are posting tripe such as this.
The person behind this nickname has nothing to do with VH-TMP
Get a new nickname buddy.
For a start, who cares how many times someone sat a commercial theory exam.
Secondly, you do not have anything to do with VH-TMP, and therefore it is insulting to those of us who fly that aircraft, ESPECIALLY when you are posting tripe such as this.
The person behind this nickname has nothing to do with VH-TMP
Get a new nickname buddy.
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Having done a Uni course they dont always prepare you for the exams they are more into the indepth aerodynamics and high speed shockwave stuff. So maybe its not the Uni I ended up paying $500 for a course at the aero club to get the CPL done CASA and Uni's have completely different adgendas.
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Northern Chique, you hit the nail on the head with your first sentence.
It's very easy to blame the trainee when often it's the trainer that is below standard.
I've had some fantastic ground instructors, but I've had a couple of duds as well....
It's very easy to blame the trainee when often it's the trainer that is below standard.
I've had some fantastic ground instructors, but I've had a couple of duds as well....
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My mate failed his BAK twice, his PPL twice, his CPL 5times, IREX 8times, and ATPL 3times, But he stuck with it and now as a very good job with an airline.. So whats that tell u.
It tells me that ,, hmmm idd better not say..
It tells me that ,, hmmm idd better not say..
