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Nicely put Kaptin M.
I think it's also useful to point out that there are some very good people in Flt Department that have been somewhat suppressed by the desk thumpers.
I suggest that FLEW dig for gold in the area around the 737 and A320 office. I think they might find a few large nuggets to adorn the opposite corridor with.
I think it's also useful to point out that there are some very good people in Flt Department that have been somewhat suppressed by the desk thumpers.
I suggest that FLEW dig for gold in the area around the 737 and A320 office. I think they might find a few large nuggets to adorn the opposite corridor with.
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The supposed removal (termination) of extra A320 Captains so that AN Flt Ops Management can have jobs is nothing but an insulting display of blatant arrogance.
To quote TE Lawrence, " All men dream but not equally.
Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity - but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.
AN Flt ops went into this with eyes wide open at the expense others livelihood so that a few people that push paper may justify their meagre existence.
Jobs for the boys? Never!
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To quote TE Lawrence, " All men dream but not equally.
Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity - but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.
AN Flt ops went into this with eyes wide open at the expense others livelihood so that a few people that push paper may justify their meagre existence.
Jobs for the boys? Never!
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Yep, jobs for the boys. Managers with no respect that caused the company to end up in court on false accusations. Blokes with brown noses that do sim checks every three months instead of six months consistently. Yes men. They ALL got in. If you got fives and fours for your sims and weren't a yes man then f*ck you, we'll give the slimy little pr*ck who gets two's and three monthly sim checks a job. If you had a dispute with a management pilot, goodbye.
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Sorry, but not at all surprised to hear of what's going on in the 'new, improved(?)' AN.
I mean, seriously gents, given the behaviour of these people over the last twelve years, how can anyone be in the least surprised to find they're looking after Numba Wun at the expense of their work'mates' and 'devil take the hindmost' now?
For years now on this site, I've seen people who've purported to be young AN pilots defending their heroic superiors when Kaptain M and co. have offered their informed, tempered by bitter experience opinions of the senior AN pilots and attempted to warn the junior pilots that leopards aren't in the habit of changing their spots.
Every time Kapt M went to print, he was roundly abused, usually with the phrase 'I'm sick of hearing about that year, it was a long time ago, put it all behind you and get on with your life' sneaking in somewhere.
The current, blatantly self-serving actions of the APA inner circle should put to rest any criticisms of Kapt M in his attempts to remind the younger AN pilots that these men were – are – not to be trusted.
At least now, few should be able to refuse to recognise them for what they are. For what they've been for at least twelve years.
I mean, seriously gents, given the behaviour of these people over the last twelve years, how can anyone be in the least surprised to find they're looking after Numba Wun at the expense of their work'mates' and 'devil take the hindmost' now?
For years now on this site, I've seen people who've purported to be young AN pilots defending their heroic superiors when Kaptain M and co. have offered their informed, tempered by bitter experience opinions of the senior AN pilots and attempted to warn the junior pilots that leopards aren't in the habit of changing their spots.
Every time Kapt M went to print, he was roundly abused, usually with the phrase 'I'm sick of hearing about that year, it was a long time ago, put it all behind you and get on with your life' sneaking in somewhere.
The current, blatantly self-serving actions of the APA inner circle should put to rest any criticisms of Kapt M in his attempts to remind the younger AN pilots that these men were – are – not to be trusted.
At least now, few should be able to refuse to recognise them for what they are. For what they've been for at least twelve years.
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Well what can I say.........
I just hope that the check captains and ex check captains who have just been employed can sleep at night knowing how they got the job..... I guess they can, they are part of the system.
Sadly most of them could not fly out of sight on a dark night & only became part of the c & t system to pass their own checks.
Sound like sour grapes? May be...... but most don't deserve a job.
I am happy to stand in line and wait my turn and be employed based on my past performance....if that means the younger smarter guys get a job first, I can live with that.
What I carn't live with is the way the first round of offers has been done.
It is supposed to be transparent!!!!!!!!!!! So much so they will not even publish a list of who got jobs.
What I would like to see is a list of current and recent check captains who wanted a job and did not get one !!!!! I'd like to see that!!!!!
I just hope that the check captains and ex check captains who have just been employed can sleep at night knowing how they got the job..... I guess they can, they are part of the system.
Sadly most of them could not fly out of sight on a dark night & only became part of the c & t system to pass their own checks.
Sound like sour grapes? May be...... but most don't deserve a job.
I am happy to stand in line and wait my turn and be employed based on my past performance....if that means the younger smarter guys get a job first, I can live with that.
What I carn't live with is the way the first round of offers has been done.
It is supposed to be transparent!!!!!!!!!!! So much so they will not even publish a list of who got jobs.
What I would like to see is a list of current and recent check captains who wanted a job and did not get one !!!!! I'd like to see that!!!!!
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The announcement of the new CEO, James Hogan, regardless of conflicting opinions about his worth does have one saving grace and that is that the person who had his sights on the job has been passed over: at least for that position. 
The non type rated pilots 'selected' for AN MkII should hang their heads in shame, for they have brought Australian aviation to a new low. The above commments on AN management apply equally to them now that the 'transparant' re-employment process has been revealed. The tactics used by the Apa reps and 'management aligned' in securing re-employment will allow them an honourary place on the heroes of '89 list. It was expected of some.
So Karunch, does this mean that if YOU were:
A) Not type rated and
B) Selected for a position
you would decline their kind offer of employment and thereby the means of supporting your family? <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
A) Not type rated and
B) Selected for a position
you would decline their kind offer of employment and thereby the means of supporting your family? <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Icarus, I was commenting on the tactics used by the non type rated guys who have secured a position. Not being willing to engage in those sort of tactics would certainly have precluded me from a position, so the dilemma would not have been mine. These guys have certainly learnt alot from their heroes. Cheers,
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Karunch,
Sorry but maybe you need to spell out what tactics i used. I think your statement may have been a little bit too general. I have had nothing to do with the flight department since September, havent even spoken to anyone from the flight department. I am not type rated and the last time I looked my nose was red, probably from the New Years drinking.
Maybe you should talk to some of the excellent Flight Attendants and Ground Staff that missed out and see how "fair" their selection process was.
Please dont get bitter and twisted about all this, there is enough of those on this forum. It has happened and thats life, put it behind you and move on things can only get better from here.
However, if you feel hard done by and you are a member of the APA get them to support you in an appeal, thats why we paid fees. I will gladly support those that have an argument.
Sorry but maybe you need to spell out what tactics i used. I think your statement may have been a little bit too general. I have had nothing to do with the flight department since September, havent even spoken to anyone from the flight department. I am not type rated and the last time I looked my nose was red, probably from the New Years drinking.
Maybe you should talk to some of the excellent Flight Attendants and Ground Staff that missed out and see how "fair" their selection process was.
Please dont get bitter and twisted about all this, there is enough of those on this forum. It has happened and thats life, put it behind you and move on things can only get better from here.
However, if you feel hard done by and you are a member of the APA get them to support you in an appeal, thats why we paid fees. I will gladly support those that have an argument.
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The flight attendants were chosen by a lottery. There names were virtually pulled out of a hat. Of course this resulted in some woeful ones getting back in and a lot of really good ones missed out.
Backspace - you said "However, if you feel hard done by and you are a member of the APA get them to support you in an appeal, thats why we paid fees. I will gladly support those that have an argument". Are you an Apa rep?
That is indeed why An pilots paid fees, not to have their elected representatives negotiating jobs for themselves under the guise of contract negotiations (and very poorly handled negotiations at that). I shudder to think what they might do under the guise of an appeal, 'negotiate' another 30% cut.
And by the way, I am not even remotely effected by the outcome at An, only an informed bystander.
That is indeed why An pilots paid fees, not to have their elected representatives negotiating jobs for themselves under the guise of contract negotiations (and very poorly handled negotiations at that). I shudder to think what they might do under the guise of an appeal, 'negotiate' another 30% cut.
And by the way, I am not even remotely effected by the outcome at An, only an informed bystander.
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Is it true that one guy who let a 767 roll into the terminal because he didn't set the brakes got in?
Also how can you have a CP who cost AN $150 million (CRJ disaster) calling the shots?
Is this the same CP that all the Checkies hide from at management meetings because if anyone dares challenge his point of view he goes crimson with rage?
Is it also true that a certain ex Qantas management type is still there even after having abused a pregnant CSO to the point where she was in tears and had to be relieved, throwing a chair at a Flight Engineers meeting and humiliating a Captain in front of pax for not watching the in flight safety demo?
Also how can you have a CP who cost AN $150 million (CRJ disaster) calling the shots?
Is this the same CP that all the Checkies hide from at management meetings because if anyone dares challenge his point of view he goes crimson with rage?
Is it also true that a certain ex Qantas management type is still there even after having abused a pregnant CSO to the point where she was in tears and had to be relieved, throwing a chair at a Flight Engineers meeting and humiliating a Captain in front of pax for not watching the in flight safety demo?