32 A320 PILOTS CULLED
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32 A320 PILOTS CULLED
32 current A320 pilots made redundant according to an APA committee member.Criteria wasn`t mentioned but it may not have been Simulator scores only.
I hope Mr Fox is aware of the other 30 at various stages of interview as they will leave quickly, leaving Tesna critically short of pilots.
The first few junior A320 pilots at their final stages of QF processing,their success will buoy on another dozen who weren`t sure if Mr Dixon`s offer of interiew just a political exercise.
Internal training wouldn`t seem likely now(for retooled exAN-Tesna)as surge capacity six crews a month.It`s off to Toulouse or Beijing for the successful applicants.
I hope Mr Fox is aware of the other 30 at various stages of interview as they will leave quickly, leaving Tesna critically short of pilots.
The first few junior A320 pilots at their final stages of QF processing,their success will buoy on another dozen who weren`t sure if Mr Dixon`s offer of interiew just a political exercise.
Internal training wouldn`t seem likely now(for retooled exAN-Tesna)as surge capacity six crews a month.It`s off to Toulouse or Beijing for the successful applicants.
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I heard that most of them applied for redundancy and did not sign the EOI. How many A320 Pilots are there anyway? I heard about 200, if 5% were culled for poor performance that's only 10 not 32
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If you are going to Beijing you might as well cover your bases by trying to get a interview with Dragonair. I hear they pay big bucks and look after their Pilots very well.
Good Luck guys
All the Best
Good Luck guys
All the Best
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Sorry to seem ever the cynic, bd69, but I'll wager pennies to pounds that the pilots who fill the vacancies will be "well-known" to most ex-AN pilots - as usual some of the junior pilots will have been "crucified" for the sake of a few of the older, greedier ones! <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
Obviously a court case would HAVE to be in the making, as the definition of the "bottom 5%" is something completely open to individual interpretation, eg. was it based on technical knowledge, simulator handling (and if so, what? EFATO? Rapid depressurisation followed by Emerg Des? Low wx circuits? CRM in the box?), ground school results, number of late sign-ons, reports by cabin crew/pax....the list is endless, and self-fulfilling!!
Unless Ansett carried a graph, pre-September 14, this "bottom 5%" is all BS - with a capital "B"!
Obviously a court case would HAVE to be in the making, as the definition of the "bottom 5%" is something completely open to individual interpretation, eg. was it based on technical knowledge, simulator handling (and if so, what? EFATO? Rapid depressurisation followed by Emerg Des? Low wx circuits? CRM in the box?), ground school results, number of late sign-ons, reports by cabin crew/pax....the list is endless, and self-fulfilling!!
Unless Ansett carried a graph, pre-September 14, this "bottom 5%" is all BS - with a capital "B"!
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Is any further proof required?
From the thread "Ansett: Workers still in limbo"
[quote]"Ansett Pilot's Association president Henig Otto, who worked for Ansett for 27 years, said his own relief at being offered a new job was tempered by the news hundreds of his workmates would now be unemployed."<hr></blockquote>
It would appear that APA president Henig Otto is NOT a current A320 pilot.
Now, what was the REAL reason for the "culling of the 'bottom' 5%"???
To allow other "certain people" who would NOT have qualified for a job, to gain entry.
As much as a lot of you hate this "89 stuff", you had better realise that the types of individuals who went back to work then, at the expense of their former colleagues will have NO qualms about doing the same thing again to another group!
From the thread "Ansett: Workers still in limbo"
[quote]"Ansett Pilot's Association president Henig Otto, who worked for Ansett for 27 years, said his own relief at being offered a new job was tempered by the news hundreds of his workmates would now be unemployed."<hr></blockquote>
It would appear that APA president Henig Otto is NOT a current A320 pilot.
Now, what was the REAL reason for the "culling of the 'bottom' 5%"???
To allow other "certain people" who would NOT have qualified for a job, to gain entry.
As much as a lot of you hate this "89 stuff", you had better realise that the types of individuals who went back to work then, at the expense of their former colleagues will have NO qualms about doing the same thing again to another group!
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32 out of 170 EOI from A320 pilots is more than the bottom 5%.Why so high?We are going to be short of A320 pilots,possibly critically.
The Tesna business plan costs retooling at 175K US per pilot,not including the relatively high rate of failure on the conversion.So the extra 10% of current A320 pilots who lost their jobs are sacrificial pawns,for what though?APA,or the pilots as a group,are the only new employees to accept a 25% paycut-why is this so?Mr Fox expressed surprise at this in the jumpseat the other day.What has gone on behind closed doors?Members do not know because of a deafening silence.
Our president should not have been so relieved at his new job as he was seen studiously browsing the pages of A320 manuals in Perth 2 weeks ago.
Kapt M,junior pilots come to Prune looking information and reasonable debate because there has been no transparency elsewhere.You have an audience!
The most important point I would like to make however,the 320 pilots culled with the assistance of the APA are in fact not the bottom %5.The career threatening tattoo should be questioned.APA should assist them,at all costs,in finding employment elsewhere.
32 out of 170 EOI from A320 pilots is more than the bottom 5%.Why so high?We are going to be short of A320 pilots,possibly critically.
The Tesna business plan costs retooling at 175K US per pilot,not including the relatively high rate of failure on the conversion.So the extra 10% of current A320 pilots who lost their jobs are sacrificial pawns,for what though?APA,or the pilots as a group,are the only new employees to accept a 25% paycut-why is this so?Mr Fox expressed surprise at this in the jumpseat the other day.What has gone on behind closed doors?Members do not know because of a deafening silence.
Our president should not have been so relieved at his new job as he was seen studiously browsing the pages of A320 manuals in Perth 2 weeks ago.
Kapt M,junior pilots come to Prune looking information and reasonable debate because there has been no transparency elsewhere.You have an audience!
The most important point I would like to make however,the 320 pilots culled with the assistance of the APA are in fact not the bottom %5.The career threatening tattoo should be questioned.APA should assist them,at all costs,in finding employment elsewhere.
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Guys, I believe the primary reason so many A320 Pilots want to leave is they feel very poorly treated by the company. What most Pilot's are looking for in a company is good pay, job security, fair promotion, good equipment and to be treated with some respect by management, It has been alleged that Mr "Ed" often referred to the Pilots as "Mushroom Farmers"
Obviously some of them were, but why tar the whole group with the same brush? Who had the dumb idea of a 25% Pay cut and when did the Pilots accept it? Also why boot Pilots out of their bases and say no Staff Travel or commuting? These are all very stupid decisions. Have a guess how bad moral will be in TESNA! Also what about the "super", I believe the new scheme is a large reduction in what was a very pale comparision to the pre 89 one. I could go on and on, but I will not bore you anymore.
Obviously some of them were, but why tar the whole group with the same brush? Who had the dumb idea of a 25% Pay cut and when did the Pilots accept it? Also why boot Pilots out of their bases and say no Staff Travel or commuting? These are all very stupid decisions. Have a guess how bad moral will be in TESNA! Also what about the "super", I believe the new scheme is a large reduction in what was a very pale comparision to the pre 89 one. I could go on and on, but I will not bore you anymore.
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Final culling:30 Captains
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Would seem our original number of 200 A320 pilots is at about 160 now;160 being the minimun we need for start up(16 jets and a round figure quoted by management).
If the 320 blokes on interviews now leave,short of pilots!
I do understand SQ has stopped taking A320 pilots at the possible insistance of their AN business plan.
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Would seem our original number of 200 A320 pilots is at about 160 now;160 being the minimun we need for start up(16 jets and a round figure quoted by management).
If the 320 blokes on interviews now leave,short of pilots!
I do understand SQ has stopped taking A320 pilots at the possible insistance of their AN business plan.
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I thought that I had read on another thread that only 180 had applied for the positions.
That means only 140 pilots - for 16 aircraft plus 3 to arrive in February.
The numbers seem tight.
[ 29 December 2001: Message edited by: rescue 1 ]</p>
That means only 140 pilots - for 16 aircraft plus 3 to arrive in February.
The numbers seem tight.
[ 29 December 2001: Message edited by: rescue 1 ]</p>
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Lets not forget the non Airbus crew that have picked up a job. Admittedly, it will take time for the conversions and this will impact on the startup schedule, but I'd have thought they'd take all Airbus crews for when the SQ 340's come down for AN INTL...ooops! Forget I mentioned it!! <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
