Virgin Blue Discrimination
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Virgin Blue Discrimination
It appears that the recruitment policy of Virgin Blue airlines leaves a lot to be desired.. .. .Firstly, age seems to be a factor when employing both flight attendants and pilots. A group of FA's in BNE had a small 'win' recently and forced VB to employ applicants over the age of 30. This seems to be varified by VB's own press release stating that they were after a 'younger crowd' when referring to pilots.. .. .Secondly, it appears that not only are they participating in the illegal practice of discrimination against those who joined Ansett during the dispute of 89, but also the relatives of those people. How small minded.. .. .This is pathetic behaviour from Virgin Blue and should not be tollerated. What other shonky practices are they getting up to.. .. .One can only wonder.
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It appears that the recruitment policy of Ansett airlines in 1989 leaves a lot to be desired.. .. .Firstly, loyalty seems to be a factor when employing both flight attendant and pilots. A group of pilots in BNE had a small 'win' recently and forced Ansett to employ applicants over the March 30 date. This seems to be varified by Ansett's own press release stating that they were after a 'loyal crowd' when referring to pilots.. .. .Secondly, it appears that not only are they participating in the illegal practice of discrimination against those who didnt apply to return to Ansett during the dispute of 89, but also the relatives of those people. How small minded.. .. .This is pathetic behaviour from Ansett and should not be tollerated. What other shonky practices are they getting up to.. .. .One can only wonder.
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I was not involved in the airline industry in 89. To justify the behaviour of one business based on similar events at another business many years ago is absurd. I am making an observation of VB at this point in time.
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There is no discrimination at Virgin Blue. They are employing staff whom fit VB's job criteria. . .. .Those who cry discrimination, normally don't meet the job criteria.
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Judging from the tone of your previous posts on PPRune, I dont believe for 1 minute D.H. youdve made the same post ref AN and TN had PPRuNe been around in 89. Thats why I subtley belittled your statement.. .. .Quote "To justify the behaviour of one business based on similar events at another business many years ago is absurd". .. .So it was ok back then for a business to do what they did, but not now huh? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />
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Age has absolutely nothing to do with 1989. So how can a company justify that it is not being discriminatory when one of the senior company directors has publicly stated that a significant proportion of the Ansett pilots are too old!!!!
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Perhaps there are a couple of basic rules that successful and honest companies apply, when recruiting, that need to be explained to Doc and our queue-jumping 1989 pilot acquaintances:. .i) NOT every applicant for a job will be successful, regardless of his/her SELF-PERCEIVED suitability;. .ii) Our KNOWN queue jumpers (yes, they did it in 1989 to get into Ansett then), have to wait their turn. I, along with several other rated, current, and experienced B737 pilots have had OUR applications in well prior to Ansett's death - and the SUBSEQUENT application of those whinging "discrimination. . .The queue is long - get in line! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> . .. .Discrimination my @rse!. .. .How about QANTAS - is the same accusation being made there? I bet NOT!. .It would seem more than likely that a few of our queue-jumpers have an agenda of their own, and THEY now want to raise 1989 as an issue, 12 years on. . .Get over it boys it's too long to carry a grudge! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 22 March 2002, 08:25: Message edited by: Kaptin M ]</small>
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I was told I was too old back in 1987 by one airline. I still have not retired.. .. .Another (Ansett) replied that, even though I had an ATPL and command endorsements on jet aircraft, I should write back when I had completed my SCPL subjects.. .. .No wonder AN went bust!. . . . <small>[ 22 March 2002, 08:47: Message edited by: ozoilfield ]</small>
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D.H.....a multi applicable set of initials. You wouldn't be pontificating from the dole cue by any chance would you?. . . . <small>[ 22 March 2002, 11:53: Message edited by: sprucegoose ]</small>
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As far as I am aware, a cue is something to do with timing and/or a billiard table.. .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .. .Welcome back A2.
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Sprucegoose,. .. .As you know well paid airline pilots asset rich,so can`t join the dole queue.. .. .If you have any clues as to how to sneak a few cheques whilst bathing on northern beaches,e-mail me.. .. .Thanks.
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It IS illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of age. This also includes the old chestnut, " age for experience" since that is entirely age based.. .. .It is NOT illegal to not want to employ 89 scabs. That doesn't come under age, sex or religion.. .. .However considering some of the dunces I know who got in because of daddy....(Elvis).. .. .Virgin has been a disaster. It probably traded whislt insolvent in the early days, and broke the law by continuting to do so. Charging fares below cost probably broke consumer laws but this would be impossible to prosecute now.. .. .So what has Virgin brought to the aviation industry in OZ? A loss of 60000 jobs, all so that people can fly once a year for $100 instead of $200. Good stuff. Do they have a safety department, like QF has I wonder.... .. .P.S. I never worked for AN or applied for Virgin. (Or QF...) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />
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Getting sick and tired of these pilots who went back to work for AN in 1989 crying discrimination in the newspapers and pprune. Get over it. Companies have the right to employ whoever they want.
Geddy. .. . </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> Charging fares below cost probably broke consumer laws but this would be impossible to prosecute now.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Consumer laws are to PROTECT the consumer. Does not compute.. .. . </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> Virgin has been a disaster </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Yes with a notional capitalisation of over $520 million RB must be VERY dissapointed.. .. . </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> So what has Virgin brought to the aviation industry in OZ? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">How about a second airline to provide services and competition to Qantas?
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Ex-knuck could you give me a reference (even one) as to where you have seen or heard anyone of the 89 ers "crying" discrimination".. .. .and as I read over some previous posts I see I should ask the same Question to m....who as usual shoots from the hip and has little regard to anything that maybe factual.. . . . <small>[ 23 March 2002, 01:44: Message edited by: Thumbs up ]</small>
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Ther originator of this thread, D H, did not refer to '89. He did refer to the "apparent" policy of VB with regard to age and appearance. Whether he was referring to it's relevance to pilot selection is unclear. It seems that he was more likely referring to the selection of Flight Attendants and the like based on the comment of one of the VB executives.. .. .Anyway "the usual suspects" once more managed to weave their fantasies of '89 into the fabric. In '89 VACANT pilot positions were advertised all over the country. When there were insufficient applications and in view of statements by AFAP pilots that they were off overseas the quest for pilots widened to overseas.. .. .If Kap M and others had applied before all the positions were filled they would have been employed. Even if all the AFAP pilots had applied for jobs not all would have been successful because there were not as many jobs available as before. . .. .The shortfall would have been the number eligible for redundancy payments if the AFAP had been willing to allow productivity improvements and restructuring. Those pilots then could have gone overseas if they wished with a pocket full of money.. . . . <small>[ 23 March 2002, 02:29: Message edited by: Flat Side Up ]</small>