Qantas wants AN A320's
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Qantas wants AN A320's
Geoff Dixon has just stated on business sunday that QF is interested in taking AN A320's and crew. Seems to depend if administrator can find a buyer for AN as a going concern.
What do the QF boys think about this?
What do the QF boys think about this?
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I would question his intelligence. Why would QF buy Scarebuses again after they phazed out the A300's they 'inherited' from Australian?? Also one raises the question of type commonality in an all Boeing, so far, fleet. Wouldn't they be better off aquiring some of the newer of AN's B737 and B767 aircraft??
Where/what can an A320 go/do that a B737 can't??
Where/what can an A320 go/do that a B737 can't??
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Well,
QF is getting a bunch of Airbus A330s - that's about all I can think of at this point in time.
The A320 is bigger than the 737s, more fuel efficient and has longer legs.
Cheers,
Justin
[ 16 September 2001: Message edited by: The Flying Lad ]
QF is getting a bunch of Airbus A330s - that's about all I can think of at this point in time.
The A320 is bigger than the 737s, more fuel efficient and has longer legs.
Cheers,
Justin
[ 16 September 2001: Message edited by: The Flying Lad ]
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I was under the impression that the buses were only leased by ansett. How would that work, QF take over the leases, cause i doubt they could wet-lease them from a non-existent company?
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The actual quote from Dixon
"We are looking at now negotiating with the Administrator to try and get a set of aircraft, probably the A-320 aircraft with crews so that we can help fly at the moment while we get other aircraft in."
It sounds like a temporary measure to handle immediate capacity concerns.
"We are looking at now negotiating with the Administrator to try and get a set of aircraft, probably the A-320 aircraft with crews so that we can help fly at the moment while we get other aircraft in."
It sounds like a temporary measure to handle immediate capacity concerns.
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From what I have heard QF wants to simply wet leases the A320's not buy them. Also on Friday night technicians were seen to be adjusting the electronic docking systems at the domestic QF terminal in MEL to accept A320's.
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When I first heard this I thought maybe they would use them to see how good they were and gives them a chance to evaluate the Airbus narrow body product before they order new domestic narrow body fleet. Also they might be useful for when the A330s arrive.
Has there been any pilots done any training on the A330.
Has there been any pilots done any training on the A330.
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GoGirl writes in Topic: Ansett possibly back in the air soon.
Ansett is not formally in liquidation until the creditors pass a vote (meeting on Tuesday). The administrator is obliged to realise the assets of the company to the best possible advantage. If he has aircraft he is able to sublease short time and staff to operate them, it seems highly likely he would do so. He would get revenue from this action from idle assets and also would help to maintaining the goodwill of Ansett.
[ 16 September 2001: Message edited by: Pom Pax ]
Firstly, my partner, who has been paid (thank goodness) wants to put this whole
debacle behind us, and actually get on with trying to rebuild our lives.
However, that's just not possible, firstly, because he has not been formerly sacked or made redundant.
Why does this matter...well anyone who can put 2 and 2 together will see where I'm going with this....
They are still screwing the staff!!! In effect, holding them to ransom, especially those who have(thankfully)rec'd their pay, simply because of the structure of that arrangement- 2 weeks in arrears 2 weeks in advance.
debacle behind us, and actually get on with trying to rebuild our lives.
However, that's just not possible, firstly, because he has not been formerly sacked or made redundant.
Why does this matter...well anyone who can put 2 and 2 together will see where I'm going with this....
They are still screwing the staff!!! In effect, holding them to ransom, especially those who have(thankfully)rec'd their pay, simply because of the structure of that arrangement- 2 weeks in arrears 2 weeks in advance.
[ 16 September 2001: Message edited by: Pom Pax ]
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The Flying Lad & Fred Basset are correct in answering your comments.
The A320 flys faster, higher, further & burns less fuel than the B737's in service in Australia and the Bne-Per sector is one where Ansett (using A320's) have had a considerable advantage over Qantas because QF's B737's didn't have the range when strong headwinds are encountered. The B767 was used by QF for a while but it was too large for the amount of traffic.
RFP's were issued earlier this year for replacement aircraft for QF's B737-300's and a decision is expected approx Jan/Feb 2002. With the current exchange rate the A320 appears to be a favourite over the B737NG and if a QF order was coupled to the BA order of over 200 A320's then the price becomes very attractive. Operating AN's A320's under a wet lease gives QF management a chance to discover any operating problems in advance of any decision.
Personally, I support any efforts to provide employment to all Ansett staff (except "heroes" of course).
The Flying Lad & Fred Basset are correct in answering your comments.
The A320 flys faster, higher, further & burns less fuel than the B737's in service in Australia and the Bne-Per sector is one where Ansett (using A320's) have had a considerable advantage over Qantas because QF's B737's didn't have the range when strong headwinds are encountered. The B767 was used by QF for a while but it was too large for the amount of traffic.
RFP's were issued earlier this year for replacement aircraft for QF's B737-300's and a decision is expected approx Jan/Feb 2002. With the current exchange rate the A320 appears to be a favourite over the B737NG and if a QF order was coupled to the BA order of over 200 A320's then the price becomes very attractive. Operating AN's A320's under a wet lease gives QF management a chance to discover any operating problems in advance of any decision.
Personally, I support any efforts to provide employment to all Ansett staff (except "heroes" of course).
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Yes IF they take them at all, it will be on short term wet lease.
Call me a cynic if you like (you're a cynic), but IMHO there MAY be a completely different reason for leasing the A320s.........
Qantas already operate B737s, and of course B767s and even BAe146s, so why not lease these same types from Ansett, would logically fit in better??? Possibly???? because Qantas Crews would want to crew them, but they cannot possibly crew the A320s....
"cynical lame"
EDIT IS...... PS, NOT picking on Pilots, the same would apply equally to Engineering....
[ 17 September 2001: Message edited by: lame ]
Call me a cynic if you like (you're a cynic), but IMHO there MAY be a completely different reason for leasing the A320s.........
Qantas already operate B737s, and of course B767s and even BAe146s, so why not lease these same types from Ansett, would logically fit in better??? Possibly???? because Qantas Crews would want to crew them, but they cannot possibly crew the A320s....
"cynical lame"
EDIT IS...... PS, NOT picking on Pilots, the same would apply equally to Engineering....
[ 17 September 2001: Message edited by: lame ]
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Lame a question?
Would QF have the pilot capacity to crew 10-15 737's for 3-6 weeks period?
Would that be another reason for taking on wet lease aircraft with AN crew. Guess they can do that for any AN aircraft they want to operate.
Time will tell.
Would QF have the pilot capacity to crew 10-15 737's for 3-6 weeks period?
Would that be another reason for taking on wet lease aircraft with AN crew. Guess they can do that for any AN aircraft they want to operate.
Time will tell.
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Kiwilad,
Probably not, I have no inside knowledge of what they are up to, and do not know their Pilot numbers?
However, assuming as you say they would not have enough crews for the number of 737s that would be required, it would still seem logical to me to go with the 737, or even the 767 using AN crews, as at least all the QF staff would be familiar with either of those aircraft, but would not be familiar with the A320????
Best regards,
"lame"
Probably not, I have no inside knowledge of what they are up to, and do not know their Pilot numbers?
However, assuming as you say they would not have enough crews for the number of 737s that would be required, it would still seem logical to me to go with the 737, or even the 767 using AN crews, as at least all the QF staff would be familiar with either of those aircraft, but would not be familiar with the A320????
Best regards,
"lame"
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Can they? Probably not. Will they? Probably not.
I think you will find that the vast majority if not ALL captains in AN are 'heros' and therefore if QF doesn't utilise them then they won't get aircraft.
(Not calling them 'heros' just utilising other peoples terms!)
I think you will find that the vast majority if not ALL captains in AN are 'heros' and therefore if QF doesn't utilise them then they won't get aircraft.
(Not calling them 'heros' just utilising other peoples terms!)
