Graphics card, video card, need to upgrade...
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Graphics card, video card, need to upgrade...
My 6 year old Dell XSP 8300 has lost much of the oomph.
Ran a diagnostic with a site called userbenchmarks and it said my original video card, an AMD Radeon HD 6450 was the culprit and only performs 2% of the benchmark.
Naturally I asked Google about a video card upgrade but got too much information.
Products range from $40 to $400.
The upper end for gamers and they need to change power supply and other stuff.
I am no gamer, just need to get better performance.
The present video card is 1GB, will a new card with 2 GB make a difference, or do I need to go more advanced?
The PC has never been modified or opened before and has 16 GB or Ram and 2TB hard drive, most of which is unused.
Hoping there is a plug and play card for a reasonable price out there.
Any recommendations?
(Also, do I keep the old card and instal the new card in an empty slot, OR remove and trash the old card and put the new one in the same slot..?)
Thx.
Ran a diagnostic with a site called userbenchmarks and it said my original video card, an AMD Radeon HD 6450 was the culprit and only performs 2% of the benchmark.
Naturally I asked Google about a video card upgrade but got too much information.
Products range from $40 to $400.
The upper end for gamers and they need to change power supply and other stuff.
I am no gamer, just need to get better performance.
The present video card is 1GB, will a new card with 2 GB make a difference, or do I need to go more advanced?
The PC has never been modified or opened before and has 16 GB or Ram and 2TB hard drive, most of which is unused.
Hoping there is a plug and play card for a reasonable price out there.
Any recommendations?
(Also, do I keep the old card and instal the new card in an empty slot, OR remove and trash the old card and put the new one in the same slot..?)
Thx.
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Before swapping the hardware out, it might be a good idea to make sure you are using the latest driver software for your existing card. As the computer is six years old, I assume that Windows or whatever operating system you are using has been updated over time. I suspect that generic drivers have been installed by Windows that allow the card to work, but not perform particularly well.
Go to the AMD website and download and install the latest available driver software for your video card. I would expect that the performance can be dramatically improved over what you are currently seeing.
Unless you are a gamer or using ultra high graphics settings, a gigabyte of video RAM should be more than enough to display HD quality images on the screen.
Generally speaking, basic default video graphic facilities are included on the computer motherboard. A video card is installed to improve the graphics. There is also the possibility that your computer is currently defaulting to use the motherboard display driver and not using your graphics card at all because the driver software for the graphics card is not up to date, or is incompatible with the latest operating system software you have installed. A performance measurement showing only 2% of the potential maximum suggests that the motherboard might be providing the video output, rather than the video card.
The video graphics card itself may be faulty, or the connectors have developed a bit of high resistance. Unplugging and reseating the graphics card is the first thing to try if a software update doesn't work.
Don't spend money until everything else has been eliminated.
A new graphics card will completely replace your existing one.
Go to the AMD website and download and install the latest available driver software for your video card. I would expect that the performance can be dramatically improved over what you are currently seeing.
Unless you are a gamer or using ultra high graphics settings, a gigabyte of video RAM should be more than enough to display HD quality images on the screen.
Generally speaking, basic default video graphic facilities are included on the computer motherboard. A video card is installed to improve the graphics. There is also the possibility that your computer is currently defaulting to use the motherboard display driver and not using your graphics card at all because the driver software for the graphics card is not up to date, or is incompatible with the latest operating system software you have installed. A performance measurement showing only 2% of the potential maximum suggests that the motherboard might be providing the video output, rather than the video card.
The video graphics card itself may be faulty, or the connectors have developed a bit of high resistance. Unplugging and reseating the graphics card is the first thing to try if a software update doesn't work.
Don't spend money until everything else has been eliminated.
A new graphics card will completely replace your existing one.
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Good info thanks.
In fact I did download a new driver today, then ran the diagnostic again with the same 2 %
Result.
Now you are saying the next step is to open the black box, then check the card’s connectors for corrosion?
That will be quite an operation as I have no idea what to look for, but will give it a try.
(If the system has been bypassing the video card due to fault or corrosion, would that not have been indicated somewhere along the diagnostic processes on start-up)
If there is no corrosion, or obvious fault, I will need a new card, which or what do you recommend?
Thanks again, beer on me.
In fact I did download a new driver today, then ran the diagnostic again with the same 2 %
Result.
Now you are saying the next step is to open the black box, then check the card’s connectors for corrosion?
That will be quite an operation as I have no idea what to look for, but will give it a try.
(If the system has been bypassing the video card due to fault or corrosion, would that not have been indicated somewhere along the diagnostic processes on start-up)
If there is no corrosion, or obvious fault, I will need a new card, which or what do you recommend?
Thanks again, beer on me.
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Now got the machine open, found no corrosion but lots of dust.
Tried to yank on what I think is the video card, but it has no intention of coming lose. Not sure I should apply my gorilla power, a sledge hammer or dynamite either.
The video card has the little box fan on it right...?
Tried to yank on what I think is the video card, but it has no intention of coming lose. Not sure I should apply my gorilla power, a sledge hammer or dynamite either.
The video card has the little box fan on it right...?
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Have you unscrewed the plate where the card meets the back of the PC case? There may be a latch instead of a screw at the top of the blanking plate that needs to be released.
There's also possibly a latch at the point where the card plugs into the motherboard, at the end of the slot furthest from the back of the case, which you may have to press to release the card.
There's a useful site here to compare benchmarks of video cards. As you can see, the AMD Radeon HD 6450 is comprehensively outperformed by newer cards.
If you are going to get a new card, set a budget and then see what the best card you can buy is (at least according to the benchmarks).
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[edit] Just loked up the service manual for that PC: http://downloads.dell.com/manuals/al...nual_en-us.pdf and there's a "card retention clamp" at the back of the PC case to hold the expansion cards in place. You can also see the latch at the end of the card slot.
There's also possibly a latch at the point where the card plugs into the motherboard, at the end of the slot furthest from the back of the case, which you may have to press to release the card.
There's a useful site here to compare benchmarks of video cards. As you can see, the AMD Radeon HD 6450 is comprehensively outperformed by newer cards.
If you are going to get a new card, set a budget and then see what the best card you can buy is (at least according to the benchmarks).
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[edit] Just loked up the service manual for that PC: http://downloads.dell.com/manuals/al...nual_en-us.pdf and there's a "card retention clamp" at the back of the PC case to hold the expansion cards in place. You can also see the latch at the end of the card slot.
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Thx Mr. Saab.
I was able to get the video card out and found the clip you mentioned.
Took it out and checked for corrosion, burns or damage, nothing.
Reinstalled everything and popped in a new 3 Volt battery.
Now booting up to run another test.
May have to pop over to the nearest computer store and get me an up to date video card.
Budget is flexible, but not sure I need a $160 card if a $40 card will do me the same job...
I was able to get the video card out and found the clip you mentioned.
Took it out and checked for corrosion, burns or damage, nothing.
Reinstalled everything and popped in a new 3 Volt battery.
Now booting up to run another test.
May have to pop over to the nearest computer store and get me an up to date video card.
Budget is flexible, but not sure I need a $160 card if a $40 card will do me the same job...
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If you are not using the PC for gaming and are not using it for any graphics intensive applications such as video editing or high end graphics software then it is highly unlikely that you would notice any difference by upgrading the graphics card. Your existing Radeon HD 6450 card should be perfectly adequate for normal desktop applications and web browsing etc. I would take any "benchmarking" site results with a very large pinch of salt!
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If you are not using the PC for gaming and are not using it for any graphics intensive applications such as video editing or high end graphics software then it is highly unlikely that you would notice any difference by upgrading the graphics card. Your existing Radeon HD 6450 card should be perfectly adequate for normal desktop applications and web browsing etc. I would take any "benchmarking" site results with a very large pinch of salt!
Aye, that is true, one should be suspicious of any attempts to sell or upgrade products.
In this case however we had difficulties watching videos and the PC has been slow in other ways as well.
Yes, it has been updated and running the latest of anti malware and anti spyware and Norton and CC cleaners and what not.
The smoking gun is still the video card and as can be seen in above link from Mr. Saab, my card is in the bottom compared to modern stuff.
Hence I am on the hunt now for a new and improved card, especially after I opened the PC today and did a trial run of removing the card and re-installing it and found the process quick and easy. (after I found out how.
)If I am not gaming and editing videos today, it does not mean I won’t be doing it tomorrow.
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If the PC is running slow it is highly unlikely that the graphics card is the culprit and I doubt very much if you will see any improvement by replacing it. The reason for slow running is much more likely to be a software issue, probably due to accumulated "junkware" and "bloatware" that gets accumulated over the years and loads lots of unnecessary stuff that runs in the background and slows the computer down. Probably the best thing that you could do would be to back up your data, do a clean install of the operating system and re-install any software that you need. This would be much more likely to improve things than replacing a graphics card.
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If the PC is running slow it is highly unlikely that the graphics card is the culprit and I doubt very much if you will see any improvement by replacing it. The reason for slow running is much more likely to be a software issue, probably due to accumulated "junkware" and "bloatware" that gets accumulated over the years and loads lots of unnecessary stuff that runs in the background and slows the computer down. Probably the best thing that you could do would be to back up your data, do a clean install of the operating system and re-install any software that you need. This would be much more likely to improve things than replacing a graphics card.
The video card, as I and others mentioned above, performs at the bottom of all performance comparisons and at 2% according to userbenchmark. I should get me a new and improved version and that is where I will start.
The next gizmo will be an SSD harddrive, that should speed up things as well and at $90 I am well below the cost of buying a new machine.
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Feel free to spend your money on a new graphics card if you wish but I would put money on the fact that it won't solve your problem. Often starting from scratch and re-installing is the best way to solve these sort of problems. You mentioned having anti spyware, anti malware etc. These sort of programs can often be some of the worst culprits for slowing a computer down, Norton in particular is one of the worst pieces of bloatware that I have ever seen! If you have Windows 10 it has very good anti virus built in in the form of Windows Defender and if you have Windows 7 you can download Microsoft Security Essentials for free which is basically the same thing. You really don't need any more than this to keep you safe.
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Feel free to spend your money on a new graphics card if you wish but I would put money on the fact that it won't solve your problem. Often starting from scratch and re-installing is the best way to solve these sort of problems. You mentioned having anti spyware, anti malware etc. These sort of programs can often be some of the worst culprits for slowing a computer down, Norton in particular is one of the worst pieces of bloatware that I have ever seen! If you have Windows 10 it has very good anti virus built in in the form of Windows Defender and if you have Windows 7 you can download Microsoft Security Essentials for free which is basically the same thing. You really don't need any more than this to keep you safe.
I do have Windows 7 still and I keep updating it and babying it along. Heard too many horror stories about Windows 10, starting a few years ago when it came out. Perhaps the product is better now and now is the time to upgrade....?
Not sure, guess it could fall either way: Slow down my PC more, or make my life better.
Any recommendations?
Is it still free?
I kept getting reminders and sneak attempts to upgrade “Automatically”.
I finally blocked the whole thing with a nuclear firewall, but since I am extremely Open Minded, in addition to being extremely handsome, I may reconsider.
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Deleted Norton and ran more cleaners, then ran another "userbenchmark" to check for any improvement.
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With a good single core score, this CPU can easily handle the majority of general computing tasks. Additionally this processor can handle light workstation, and even some light server workloads. Finally, with a gaming score of 61.3%, this CPUs suitability for 3D gaming is good.
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Mixed 102
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SC Read 13.8
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All of that is a bit over my head, but we are back to the video card:
Just to check the real world I streamed a scene from "Sound of Music".
(about 1965 for you youngsters)
The scene played good, but had an occasional jerk/stall.
Will find a 'puter shop tomorrow, buy a new video card and play Sound of Music again.
Full report to follow..
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2.05% is too low to play 3D games or use CAD packages. (Note: general computing tasks don't require 3D graphics)
2.05% is too low to play 3D games or use CAD packages. (Note: general computing tasks don't require 3D graphics)
(about 1965 for you youngsters)
The scene played good, but had an occasional jerk/stall.
Will find a 'puter shop tomorrow, buy a new video card and play Sound of Music again.
Full report to follow..
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Considering that a whole brand new laptop or desktop PC can be purchased for around $400 and will probably easily out perform your six year old PC, perhaps the time has come to move on to a new machine? A new graphics card might help with performance in your six year old machine, but don't expect miracles. If you are still running Windows 7, then there is little that has changed over the years other than more bloated software and a move towards higher definition video. You certainly appear to have enough RAM with 16Gb on the motherboard. Hard disk size is adequate!
Have a search around on Google to see if others with your system set up have experienced the same problem and whether they have found a solution. PPRuNe is a good place to ask for advice, but the real computer nerds tend to hang out elsewhere.
Cleaning the dust out of a PC while you have the case off is always a good idea. It may not help with speed, but it does make the system cooling run more efficiently. Reseating cards is just an industry standard trick to get things going again. You would not expect to see any visible corrosion or oxidation on the connectors. It just forms as an invisible microscopic layer. Unplugging and plugging in the connectors is sufficient to scrape through any oxidation layers and restore a good connection.
At a guess, I would say your system will benefit from one of the lower end gaming cards if you are interested in watching video. Something around the $100 mark or less should work and boost the graphics performance considerably from 2%.
Make sure the card will fit the connection socket in your computer and that the ourput connections on the back are compatible with your current display. Adapters are available, but they can be somewhat bulky, expensive, and provide an additional point of failure.
Have a search around on Google to see if others with your system set up have experienced the same problem and whether they have found a solution. PPRuNe is a good place to ask for advice, but the real computer nerds tend to hang out elsewhere.
Cleaning the dust out of a PC while you have the case off is always a good idea. It may not help with speed, but it does make the system cooling run more efficiently. Reseating cards is just an industry standard trick to get things going again. You would not expect to see any visible corrosion or oxidation on the connectors. It just forms as an invisible microscopic layer. Unplugging and plugging in the connectors is sufficient to scrape through any oxidation layers and restore a good connection.
At a guess, I would say your system will benefit from one of the lower end gaming cards if you are interested in watching video. Something around the $100 mark or less should work and boost the graphics performance considerably from 2%.
Make sure the card will fit the connection socket in your computer and that the ourput connections on the back are compatible with your current display. Adapters are available, but they can be somewhat bulky, expensive, and provide an additional point of failure.
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Just read through the benchmark stuff you posted. Games and CAD packages use complex arithmetic functions to calculate how each pixel on the screen should be displayed. That isn't required for video streaming. The computer is just displaying images that have already been calculated in advance when the film was digitally encoded.
Movie playback from the Internet can be subject to stuttering depending in your connection speed. If you are using wifi to connect to your router, try a direct cable connection to the router if possible and see if the pauses still occur. Also worth trying streaming video from a few different sites at different times of day. The delays may be occuring at the servers and not on your computer at all. It all depends on how many users they are having to service at once.
The benchmark figures for the office and desktop type stuff are not brilliant, but they are about what you would expect from a six year old computer that is being compared against today's latest and greatest machines. It isn't doing too bad, all things considered.
Movie playback from the Internet can be subject to stuttering depending in your connection speed. If you are using wifi to connect to your router, try a direct cable connection to the router if possible and see if the pauses still occur. Also worth trying streaming video from a few different sites at different times of day. The delays may be occuring at the servers and not on your computer at all. It all depends on how many users they are having to service at once.
The benchmark figures for the office and desktop type stuff are not brilliant, but they are about what you would expect from a six year old computer that is being compared against today's latest and greatest machines. It isn't doing too bad, all things considered.
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Aye Mr. G0ULI:
Thanks for the reply, again.
Yes, I could buy a new PC and can easily afford it, no longer a poor student pilot.
(Wish I was)
Holding me back is the royal pain in the arse transfering files, pics, docs, mails, etc from old PC to new, including burning CDs, etc.
I got an external back up type Hard Drive and tried to transfer everything over, but not so easy, no Sir. Finally gave up, tried the Cloud, but no cigar.
Got tons of storage and memory on this PC, just need to dust off the innards and perhaps a new video card.
We are almost there.
Thx again.
Thanks for the reply, again.
Yes, I could buy a new PC and can easily afford it, no longer a poor student pilot.
(Wish I was)
Holding me back is the royal pain in the arse transfering files, pics, docs, mails, etc from old PC to new, including burning CDs, etc.
I got an external back up type Hard Drive and tried to transfer everything over, but not so easy, no Sir. Finally gave up, tried the Cloud, but no cigar.
Got tons of storage and memory on this PC, just need to dust off the innards and perhaps a new video card.
We are almost there.
Thx again.
Last edited by TowerDog; 14th Nov 2017 at 03:48.
Firstly - Given your reported use of the computer I strongly doubt that replacing the video card will help - unless you just happen to have some dire video driver issue at present that the new card and possibly software makes go away.
I work with computers but I am not a desktop expert rather a Network Engineer and I have done a bit of pre-windows stylee programming.
From my personal experience a windows installation just seems to slow down over time. Eventually drastically. The recommended solution by the desktop geeks seems to be a fresh windows installation every year or so. To me as a user this is completely unacceptable - it turns out that I would rather suffer the slowness.
I have tried every recommended "fix" (short of re-installing) under the sun and nothing seemed to help. Then one day my next door neighbour who I knew to be suffering from crawling PC syndrome (TM), which I couldn't fix, called me for help. His user profile was broken and the machine refused to log him on.
I was able to create a new user for him and to move all of the files over. The shock was that the old slow windows installation was completely rejuvenated. PrestoChangoSelector all cured.
I have subsequently carried out the process on a (very) few other PCs with fabulous results.
To avoid potential issues if you have to do this ALWAYS install any software for "All Users".
I have also recently had to disable automatic windows updates due to a performance issue that I could not fix. Since it was a pretty good going Notebook - i5, 6G ram and ssd I think that the user experience was still OK but the CPU was permanently high which made the fan run and made my lap hot.
I think it worth checking the integrity of the operating system with
chkdsk (/f with heart in mouth if errors reported)
To be fair I have run this (chkdsk /f) hundreds of times and have never broken a computer with it but in theory in just might. On the other hand continued use of the disk with it unfixed may be riskier still. So there is no real choice.
sfc /scannow
and then if unfixable errors reported
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
I think you need to be connected to the internet for this as I suspect it gets the files via the Windows Update system.
then if dism reports fixes carried out
sfc /scannow
all from Administrator level command window.
If errors are still reported Windows files are corrupt and there is no real alternative to a re-install.
Finally one that you don't see mentioned all that much is to check that the pagefile is not fragmented. Mind you with 16G ram I don't see that being an issue in your case unless you are doing 3D modelling or some such:-)
PS
ALWAYS have a spare Administrator user set up on the machine since a user profile can get corrupted at any time and you will not be able to log on with it. You can always re-set the password with your handy Linux USB bootable thingy - oops , you didn't encrypt the file system did you? Ah! Best not forget the password then.
I work with computers but I am not a desktop expert rather a Network Engineer and I have done a bit of pre-windows stylee programming.
From my personal experience a windows installation just seems to slow down over time. Eventually drastically. The recommended solution by the desktop geeks seems to be a fresh windows installation every year or so. To me as a user this is completely unacceptable - it turns out that I would rather suffer the slowness.
I have tried every recommended "fix" (short of re-installing) under the sun and nothing seemed to help. Then one day my next door neighbour who I knew to be suffering from crawling PC syndrome (TM), which I couldn't fix, called me for help. His user profile was broken and the machine refused to log him on.
I was able to create a new user for him and to move all of the files over. The shock was that the old slow windows installation was completely rejuvenated. PrestoChangoSelector all cured.
I have subsequently carried out the process on a (very) few other PCs with fabulous results.
To avoid potential issues if you have to do this ALWAYS install any software for "All Users".
I have also recently had to disable automatic windows updates due to a performance issue that I could not fix. Since it was a pretty good going Notebook - i5, 6G ram and ssd I think that the user experience was still OK but the CPU was permanently high which made the fan run and made my lap hot.
I think it worth checking the integrity of the operating system with
chkdsk (/f with heart in mouth if errors reported)
To be fair I have run this (chkdsk /f) hundreds of times and have never broken a computer with it but in theory in just might. On the other hand continued use of the disk with it unfixed may be riskier still. So there is no real choice.
sfc /scannow
and then if unfixable errors reported
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
I think you need to be connected to the internet for this as I suspect it gets the files via the Windows Update system.
then if dism reports fixes carried out
sfc /scannow
all from Administrator level command window.
If errors are still reported Windows files are corrupt and there is no real alternative to a re-install.
Finally one that you don't see mentioned all that much is to check that the pagefile is not fragmented. Mind you with 16G ram I don't see that being an issue in your case unless you are doing 3D modelling or some such:-)
PS
ALWAYS have a spare Administrator user set up on the machine since a user profile can get corrupted at any time and you will not be able to log on with it. You can always re-set the password with your handy Linux USB bootable thingy - oops , you didn't encrypt the file system did you? Ah! Best not forget the password then.
Last edited by jimjim1; 14th Nov 2017 at 07:45.