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hmmmmmmmmmmm......
Does not necessarily result in
and as for....
Personally, I'd rather not be BT's guninea pig early adopter. I still remember the early days of ADSL (amgonst other BT cash sinking initiatives). 
Let's face it, 21CN is probably not going to change much quickly for those not in Tier 1 MSAN.
BT have sunk a LOT of cash into this rollout
PLUS
, and are really pushing it.
PLUS
successful
and as for....
don't get yourself stuck in a 12 month contract
Let's face it, 21CN is probably not going to change much quickly for those not in Tier 1 MSAN.
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From: Bracknell, Berks, UK
My point was less "chuck money at BT for their FTTx rollout", and more "don't tie yourself into a 12 month contract on ADSL and then suddenly find FTTx becomes (shock, horror) successful and then get narked that your neighbour is on 40mbit/s down 10mbit/s up".
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that your neighbour is on 40mbit/s down 10mbit/s up
FTTx becomes (shock, horror) successful
And by the way, coming back to ....
BT have sunk a LOT of cash into this rollout
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From: Bracknell, Berks, UK
Just a few quotes (excuse the spellunk and punkchewashun as they're verbatim quotes) from independent sources (my mates) about it:
p.s. 21CN != FTTx
i got BT infinity and its actually GREAT! i went from 1.5mbps down to 38mbps down and 8mbps up
all for £24.99 BARGIN (which i actually claim back from my company as well
in my old house i had virgin 50mb service, and to be honest it wasn't a touch on BT offering.. (feels very strange to say that!)
if you can get it ! GET IT !
all for £24.99 BARGIN (which i actually claim back from my company as well
in my old house i had virgin 50mb service, and to be honest it wasn't a touch on BT offering.. (feels very strange to say that!)
if you can get it ! GET IT !
Thought this might be of some interest to some of you.
I've just had my BT Broadband upgraded to BT Infinity Option 2.
When BT originally called me with the offer of an upgrade, they quoted me that I would get about 19 meg DL and about 2 meg UL.
Engineer just left and im now a happy bunny with DL speeds of a steady 38-39 meg and UL speeds of 8-9 meg (wireless)
If anyone wants very fast BB and are with BT I suggest you find out if you can get this.
Also they arnt charging me any more than I was paying before £25 per month.
Hope this helps some of you - I'm off to download some HD porn
I've just had my BT Broadband upgraded to BT Infinity Option 2.
When BT originally called me with the offer of an upgrade, they quoted me that I would get about 19 meg DL and about 2 meg UL.
Engineer just left and im now a happy bunny with DL speeds of a steady 38-39 meg and UL speeds of 8-9 meg (wireless)
If anyone wants very fast BB and are with BT I suggest you find out if you can get this.
Also they arnt charging me any more than I was paying before £25 per month.
Hope this helps some of you - I'm off to download some HD porn
I came home from work last week and my BT Broadband has risen from around 6mb to 14mb. This is just because the exchange has been upgraded haven't got the fibre done yet.
Plus I get it for free
Plus I get it for free
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
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Agreed, mixture - one thing I think we can all agree on is that it would be very nice IF MB were right - however.
The only light at the end of the backhaul tunnel around here is that I understand BT are soon to be up begging for another 5 years 'funding' by government so I guess they will try to appear as if they are dong something.
We have had two 'mis-sellings' in this locale by BT sales, both 'promising' we are on a 'list' for exchange upgrade 'very soon' - both blatant lies and reported to and actioned by Trading Standards. They do not seem to learn, do they?
The only light at the end of the backhaul tunnel around here is that I understand BT are soon to be up begging for another 5 years 'funding' by government so I guess they will try to appear as if they are dong something.
We have had two 'mis-sellings' in this locale by BT sales, both 'promising' we are on a 'list' for exchange upgrade 'very soon' - both blatant lies and reported to and actioned by Trading Standards. They do not seem to learn, do they?
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You're like a dog gnawing on a bone MB.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
furry muff. Remember, my original tenet was much more benign than I think you're making it out to be - just to be aware that things are around the corner and to go into contracts with your eyes open. It's a statement that rings true in all walks of life, and I doubt you can get much of a meaningful discount with a 12 month contract versus a 1 month contract anyway 
I am happy/expecting/hoping not to be proved wrong, but wouldn't it be nice if BT actually did something they said they would?
Besides, it won't immediately fix BOAC's issues, but in theory the revenue uplift from a successful early deployment might fill their coffers enough to accelerate deployment to the harder-to-reach areas - thus getting the government off their backs as well.
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Does anyone know where there is information on timings for 21CN installations?
All the lists I find say either "Already done" or "No plans". Have they stopped, or are the lists not being maintained any more?
All the lists I find say either "Already done" or "No plans". Have they stopped, or are the lists not being maintained any more?
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
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Keef - I am totally confused by all the froth from BT as to whether '21CN' is actually 'dead' and replaced by 'NGA', but here is the latest Openreach exchange FTTC schedule. NB there is another due late this month/early October.
http://tinyurl.com/3yodjyy
I note BT continues its predatory tactics - now at Erbistock.
thinkbroadband :: Openreach give Erbistock users option of migrating to another exchange
They really need stamping on hard - 80 customers - 'not worth it' until Erbistock start putting a lot of effort into a Rutland solution.
http://tinyurl.com/3yodjyy
I note BT continues its predatory tactics - now at Erbistock.
thinkbroadband :: Openreach give Erbistock users option of migrating to another exchange
They really need stamping on hard - 80 customers - 'not worth it' until Erbistock start putting a lot of effort into a Rutland solution.
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I'm with Plusnet now for the complete phone/broadband package. Not cheapest but very straightforward having been lied to and conned by Orange over the last 2 years.
I have a problem with an AOL spam message, maybe someone can advise me. These emails purport to come from a deceased friend of mine (2 yrs ago) and despite attempting to contact AOL I've had no joy stopping them at source. Anyone any advice?
I have a problem with an AOL spam message, maybe someone can advise me. These emails purport to come from a deceased friend of mine (2 yrs ago) and despite attempting to contact AOL I've had no joy stopping them at source. Anyone any advice?
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
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If someone has 'harvested' the email address there is no way you can stop it. Does AOL have any sort of spam filter - ie can you set it to automatically delete emails from particular addresses?
If not, look at Mailwasher and set that to automatically delete on delivery.
If not, look at Mailwasher and set that to automatically delete on delivery.
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BusyB
A little friendly word of advice for the future.
Do not hijack a thread with a completely unrelated question.
Not only is it bad "netiquette", but you will also find that starting a new thread will mean that your question gets more attention because it's not buried on page three of someone else's thread on a different topic.
I have a problem with an AOL spam message, maybe someone can advise me. These emails purport to come from a deceased friend of mine (2 yrs ago) and despite attempting to contact AOL I've had no joy stopping them at source. Anyone any advice?
Do not hijack a thread with a completely unrelated question.
Not only is it bad "netiquette", but you will also find that starting a new thread will mean that your question gets more attention because it's not buried on page three of someone else's thread on a different topic.
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I am with ZEN at home and have been for ~ 7 years. Of several ISPs I have used home and at work they are the only one with zero downtime and superb customer service. I recommend them highly.
On their old 512k/256k product they had no caps (and they still offer that I believe) but their current product (8192k/448k) is capped at 20GB each month. They email you when you reach 50% at or before the 15th.
On their old 512k/256k product they had no caps (and they still offer that I believe) but their current product (8192k/448k) is capped at 20GB each month. They email you when you reach 50% at or before the 15th.
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From: Bedford, UK
fair use policy
Gaming should be no issue, downloading videos and p2p sharing are. If you are interested in gaming watch the difference between 'fast' and 'interleaved'.
With 53db attenuation on a rural exchange there isn't much near term hope here either.
Someone I know has a 58db line and rubbish service from Orange: would LLU help him (TalkTalk is an option) ? Also, do you have to give up your BT line and riska future £140+ reconnection fee ?
With 53db attenuation on a rural exchange there isn't much near term hope here either.
Someone I know has a 58db line and rubbish service from Orange: would LLU help him (TalkTalk is an option) ? Also, do you have to give up your BT line and riska future £140+ reconnection fee ?
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Someone I know has a 58db line and rubbish service from Orange: would LLU help him (TalkTalk is an option) ? Also, do you have to give up your BT line and riska future £140+ reconnection fee ?
I would rather hack off my testicles with a spoon than join TalkTalk/Tiscali/CPW.
