PPRUNE problems

[captaink]

During the last few days I have noticed the forum being extremely slow in response. (technically). Am I the only one experiencing these troubles or what ?
Is it a server capacity problem ?

[Capt PPRuNe]

Server capacity problem that this kind of post doesn't help!

[Georgeablelovehowindia]

captaink, this has got to be a wind up, surely? Perhaps you've been on some other planet for the last two days?
YES, we've all been experiencing a huge slowdown, over five minutes' response time to each action in my case.

[NoSurrender]

So just how many people have been on Pprune at any one time over the last few days?

[Out Of Trim]

I have to say; that PPRuNe is VERY SLOW at the moment - even though relatively few people seem to be on the forums.. Is there a problem that we're not aware of? Of course seeing that I'm now just another number - perhaps we're not allowed to know!

[stickyb]

I have to say; that PPRuNe is VERY SLOW at the moment - even though relatively few people seem to be on the forums.. Is there a problem that we're not aware of?

Yes, there is a problem, and you may not be aware of it but some of us are very aware.
It's all down to bandwidth, or capacity. Not on the server, but on the wires that carry the information between you and the server.
The internet can be pretty crowded at the best of times, a bit like airspace soemtimes, and the links have a finite capacity - they can only carry so many messages per second, etc.
With more and more people becoming internet aware and literate, and more and more sites providing more and more information, in times of major crisis such as we have just seen people switch on the PC and go for the information sites.
When WWII was declared, people rushed to huddle ound the radio. When JFK was shot, people rushed to watch TV. When this started happening, the internet traffic shot up enormously.
Remember also that the internet is different from radio or tv.
Radio or tv are send once, receive many times type signals. That is one broadcast can be recived by as many people as are in range, without affecting the y=transmission bandwidth.
The internet is send once, receive once. If 20 people go to CNN and want to watch the latest video clip, that file is transmitted 20 times, etc, etc.
It's also this effect that is used by the idiots who try to freak out the net by propogating e-mail virus.

Sorry if I am getting to the Grandma sucking eggs syndrome, just bear with it and it will get better as the load decreases.

edited for typo

[ 17 September 2001: Message edited by: StickyB ]

[lame]

The last 2 evenings here in Australia, I have not been able to access PPRuNe at all, due server overload, you are lucky you are getting it, even if it is slow..........

[PPRuNe Towers]

Thanks StickyB - nicely explained.

Just a couple more bits of background - you are all perfectly capable of working out the consequences. This last week's tragic events just gave a snapshot of what is to come.

Firstly - internet traffic has, on average, doubled every 12 weeks in the last couple of years.

Secondly - Investment in the infrastructure carrying PPRuNe and every other part of the web collapsed some 6 or 7 months ago.

Rob

[slj]

Dear Mr PPrune Tower's

What confuses me is that whilst PPrune was at a virtual stand still BBC and other high usage sites were coming through reasonably well.

Even before the tragedies of Tuesday. the same thing was happening.

But then I must bow to your superior knowledge as indicated in your rather original handle.

[ 15 September 2001: Message edited by: slj ]

[pied piper]

To the bbc
raceroute Results

1 217.32.62.161 ? 21 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
2 217.32.62.234 ? 23 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
3 62.7.251.193 ? 19 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
4 172.16.109.122 ? 22 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
5 172.16.100.58 ? 23 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
6 172.16.93.210 ? 32 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
7 172.16.93.66 ? 23 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
8 213.120.207.221 ? 24 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
9 62.6.197.1 core1-gig2-0.bletchley.ukcore.bt.net 22 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
10 62.6.196.218 core1-pos13-3.ilford.ukcore.bt.net 28 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
11 194.74.65.5 core1-pos9-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net 28 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
12 195.66.224.103 rt-linx-a.thdo.bbc.co.uk 28 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
13 212.58.224.31 www.bbc.net.uk 23 0:0 Echo Reply

TraceRoute Statistics: 32 data bytes to www.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.31]
Start Time: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:34:49
13 packets transmitted, 13 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 19/24/32

to www.pprune.org
traceroute Results

1 217.32.62.129 ? 20 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
2 217.32.62.234 ? 18 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
3 62.7.251.193 ? 28 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
4 172.16.109.122 ? 21 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
5 172.16.100.42 ? 17 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
6 172.16.93.210 ? 23 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
7 172.16.93.66 ? 27 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
8 213.120.207.221 ? 23 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
9 62.6.197.1 core1-gig2-0.bletchley.ukcore.bt.net 38 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
10 62.6.196.218 core1-pos13-3.ilford.ukcore.bt.net 24 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
11 194.74.65.5 core1-pos9-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net 24 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
12 195.66.224.69 ibr01-g2-0.linx01.exodus.net 43 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
13 212.62.2.209 ? 26 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
14 209.185.249.133 bbr02-p1-2.whkn01.exodus.net 110 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
15 216.74.171.3 ? 97 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
16 216.35.65.226 csr02-ve243.whkn01.exodus.net 313 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit

TraceRoute Statistics: 32 data bytes to www.pprune.org [209.25.243.164]
Start Time: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:33:26
*Target not reached.
16 packets transmitted, 16 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 17/53/313

[PPRuNe Dispatcher]

This has been by far the busiest week our server has had to cope with.

Our server is at a major ISP in New York City who have been affected by Tuesday's terrible events. Many of the ISP folks have been unable to get to work so the fact that it remains online at all is something that amazes me.

---Mik

[Wrongstuff]

A wee bit touchy Danny

[lame]

Heard someone the other day say, imagine IF the telephone had been invented AFTER email.

It would be such a marvellous invention because you could actually TALK to people?

PS.... All seems to be okay now Dunnunda, thank you to Danny and all at the Towers.

[spekesoftly]

I'm sure Danny is more than capable of speaking for himself, but perhaps we should all occassionally remind ourselves that he and his team run PPRuNe in their own valuable time, with no financial reward, for the benefit of all. I suggest we shouldn't be too critical when, in exceptional circumstances, demand exceeds the supply of this free service.

[ 17 September 2001: Message edited by: spekesoftly ]

[ShyTorque]

Spekesoftly,

I don't think anyone actually complained. Someone merely asked a question and got jumped on for his trouble.

Many of us already understood the reasons for such bottlenecks, some perhaps didn't but do now.

Shares may go down as well as up, even if they were free in the first place it still causes concern..

ShyT

[ 17 September 2001: Message edited by: ShyTorque ]

[spekesoftly]

ShyTorque,

I was simply making a plea for a little forbearance towards those who try hard to keep the system running, often in difficult circumstances, and with limited resources. My comments were not aimed at any individual in particular, and I apologise if they appeared that way.

[fobotcso]

Tell you what; as of about Thursday night 20th Sep this BB has picked up a lot of speed and is going almost as quickly as it used to in the good old days.

[rebeccadblake]

DANNY, BABY SWEET HEART. plezzzzz can i have chat back, i am really sad, i want my friends back starting to miss 'em.

I tell you what you fix PPRuNe chat, and i will post another piccy of me (this one you wont have to edit?

DEAL??? plezzzz just let me have my friends back, i am a really sad internet geek who must have her daily fix of the pprune family.

[Obadiah]

Let's have a look at the piccy first...
then we'll decide!

[Obadiah]

C'mon....show us yer pics!