Opera or IE? Your thoughts please.....

[Ausatco]

Would this have anything to do with the ad-blocking feature in Opera? If Opera disables java as part of its ad-blocking process, some pages or parts of pages that legitimately use java won't work.

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[Evo]

Would this have anything to do with the ad-blocking feature in Opera? If Opera disables java as part of its ad-blocking process, some pages or parts of pages that legitimately use java won't work.

That's what I wondered - but turning pop-up blocking off didn't help. To my surprise though my online bank works fine with ad blocking on, despite popping windows up all over the place. Most of the time it seems to do a good job of only blocking the real ads, just a couple of niggles...

[BRL]

Ev', I can log into the met office site and navigate it with no problem at all. Exactly what page are you having the problems with??

[Evo]

In IE6.0, once you log in there are four drop down menus at the top of the page called "British Isles, Europe, Global, Help and information". When I log in on Opera 7.2 they aren't there. I can still access all the info from the main page, it's just much easier to navigate with the drop-downs.

At the bottom, it says "Javascript must be enabled to use the drop-down menus". As far as I can tell it is enabled, but some other option somewhere must be blocking it?

[BRL]

Your right, they are not there at all. No idea why.... Java works on mine ok on some sites but not others, this must be one of the others.

[PPRuNe Towers]

Evo,

My whiskers started quivering when you mentioned the missing action buttons/menu items

Possibly a dead end but consider this: Something came up last week that might be of use. Had a whale of a day logiking (!!!) out why someone couldn't post despite being logged in on PPRuNe and across multiple browsers. There was no post button whichever browser he used!!

Turned out to be a tick box in some privacy/firewall software made by Norton. The box referred to pop ups but it stopped our block graphic reply button appearing throughout his raft of browsers. Might be worth investigating a little further away from your browser.

By the way, anyone who intensively PPRuNes without tabbed windows loading new pages while you read is wasting so much time it's unbelievable

Regards
Rob

[Mac the Knife]

Does Opera have it's own Java Runtime Engine?

I know that M$'s JRE differs from the approved Sun pureJava JRE (M$'s perversion of Java is the subject of a long running lawsuit)?

Could that be the source of the problem?

Java experts?

[Evo]

Opera 7.2 installs Sun's 1.3.1 JRE, so that's fine. Microsoft's JRE froze somewhere around 1.1.4 when Sun terminated the licence after MS tried to add Windows-only features.

BRL/Rob - BRL, thanks for checking, seems like we have the same problem. Opera's website says

If, despite this, JavaScript does not appear to work properly in Opera, there are two possible reasons:

1. A bug in Opera or a feature which hasn't been implemented yet.

2. The site uses proprietary JavaScript extensions, and is written for specific browsers (usually Internet Explorer or Netscape 4).

I've tried turning every privacy option I can find off, with no luck. I'm guessing it's down to Opera and not just me fiddling with the options and b*ggering it up, but no idea if it is 1 or 2. I'll email the Met office and see if they've got any ideas (at least, any that they'll admit to me). It's a very minor irritation, and i'm impressed enough with the browser to spend my 20 euros


a little later, Evo wrote...

ok, it is a Javascript problem - after playing with the options a console pops up saying

Javascript URL thread: "javascript:StepFwd();"
Error:
name: TypeError
message: Statement on line 64: Expression evaluated to null or undefined and is not convertible to Object: document.fraOne.Animation
Backtrace:
Line 64 of linked script http://secure.metoffice.com/lib/scripts/hisanim.js
document.fraOne.Animation.src = theImages[ImageNum].src;
In unknown script
StepFwd();

at least I know what it is...

[BRL]

Do tell, do tell(What you were looking at when the box popped up )...........

[scroggs]

Well, just to add some counter to the debate, I'm using IE 6.0.2800.1106 on Windows XP (SP1 updated) with Zone Alarm Pro, NAV2003 and Mailwasher Pro, and the whole caboodle works just fine on a broadband connection. It's never crashed or locked up, the AV and firewall have caught all viruses and potential hacks so far, and it's bloody quick - except with Pprune, but that's not my kit's fault! The only feature from Opera that I'd dearly love on IE is the tabbed multiple pages in a single window; otherwise my experience of Opera is OK but not wonderful.

[Mac the Knife]

Just stuck in Opera 7.21 for a try (Didn't much like the older versions) - verrrrrry nice indeed.

Fast as all be d@mned too (leaves IE in the dust).

So bought a double licence for Win and Linux (bye-bye Konqueror)

Make a better mousetrap.........

[InFinRetirement]

Ummm. I have been having heaps of problems with IE and I loaded Opera for about the fifth time to make sure I really didn't like it, and I don't.

I have now loaded Avant - www.avant.com - and it is lightening fast but it does have some drawbacks wich I am trying to get used to. But I have said goodbye to IE - I have just upgraded to 2600XP AMD and was bitterly disappointed. But now I am smiling again. I can use OE and it is bliss.

Richard was brill. Patiently monitored what I was doing. In the end it was obvious that IE has outgrown itself.

[Mac the Knife]

Well, I've been using the full (paid up) version of Opera 7.21 for 3 days now and I'm completely converted. It's just a better browser. It's faster, the tabbed pages are a pleasure and the mouse gestures are already almost instinctive. I like the interface, which is much more customisable then IE and is easy to live with. I probably won't use the email feature because I'm wedded to the PIM in Outlook 98 but I can see that it would work well.

It has it's little quirks and a couple of smaller features that I miss, but they are pretty minor in contrast to the advantages.

I'll stuff it in the Linux box (Konqueror's absence of word-wrap is too annoying - how could they have missed that?) but have no reason to suspect that it won't look and behave pretty identically.

[4granted]

www.mozilla.org
The only way to go
Got both the browser and the email and am very chuffed. Tried Opera a coupl of times but am staying with Mozilla now

[Timothy]

4granted

So, what are the advantages of Mozilla over Opera?

W

[Eddie_Crane]

must say Im sold on Moz too

I must admit that, having tried both Opera and Mozilla on a number of platforms, Mozilla remains my first choice.
No particular reasons though, perhaps the appearance. Or a feature (extra from XULdownloads) that lets you modify the user-agent specs as though you were a Mac PowerPC with IE5 or a Linux box with NS4 instead of say a Windows 2000 with Mozilla, but i reckon there's no real use in it anyway.
So I say it's just personal taste, as far as I am concerned. I like Mozilla because of its streamlined appearance, it fires up quickly (even in Windows XP) , has very customisable privacy settings and pop-up killer options and is absolutely free and well-maintained by competent people.
And it does boast the multiple tab feature
Just my 2p worth,

C

[BRL]

Does anyone know how to get First Direct working in Opera,?

I can look around as a guest but not log-in

[Splat]

BRL,

I tried Opera, Avant and all sorts of other products and in the end always returned to IE as they had some bug/problem within them.

Having said that, I now use (and have done so for over a month - longer than the above) Slimbrowser by flashpeak at http://www.flashpeak.com/ and have no complaints so far.

S

[Keef]

I've been using Mozilla for the past several years, and like it. Never tried Opera - has anyone any comparison opinion on Opera vs Mozilla latest versions?

I keep MSIE for those websites that won't work with a "generic" browser, like the AIS and Met Office sites.

Mozilla does everything I can think of that I want in a browser/mailer package. What I particularly like is that it knows to use my spamcop.net address when posting to newsgroups, so I don't get my primary e-mail address harvested by the spammers. That's a neat feature.

I can also switch addresses after I've written an e-mail - it offers all the ones I have set up in Mozilla to pick from.

[4granted]

Why Mozilla??

All I can say is that it does everything I want it to do without to many questionmarks????????????
Drag and drop function is easy. Man everything Ive ever wanted from a browser is there. Its just wow!
I dont have to go to anysites to ask silly questions. I try somthing thinking that itll never do that and it does that. easypeasey.just like that.
No krap....just FUNCTIONALITY
Thats what we want isnt it?
try it for yourself. Yes its only version blah blah ie. young but it works.
nuff said: Im happy

4g