Once again, generalizations are never good. Not every pilot in Mexico is well connected and because of that the government tailors the law to them. If that were the case their connections could've brought the government into the bankruptcy process to keep Mexicana operating (the pilot union asked for that on numerous occasions, Calderon said the government would not step in).

The law requiring Mexican Citizenship to hold anything higher than a PPL in Mexico stems from the close proximity to the US. In the early days of commercial aviation there was more availability of US pilots to fly the aircraft in the emerging aviation business in Mexico (Charles Lindbergh flew for Mexicana). Mexicana was owned by Americans and the planes were flown by Americans. These laws came as a result of that years later.

Protecting jobs in your country is not a new thing. Some countries have laws others do it in more subtle ways (airline policy, pilot union rules, language requirements, license requirements etc). Airlines like TACA require Central American Citizenship. I understand Brazil has a similar rule to Mexico. Reciprocity would only exist as a result of demand. If tomorrow Mexican airlines have to ground planes due to pilot shortages the law would be changed. The same would happen anywhere else.

True, and governments are voted in by citizens. Accountability has to start somewhere to bring changes about.

Just applied for them and not expecting too much honestly. Fresh cpl holder with just 230 hrs tt all current. Any hopes? Are they calling or doing assessments?
Info would be appreciated, regards.

Interview help, and place to stay?
 

Hey guys leondelfierro,Yeager08

seems like you guys know some information that I may be looking into, I was ask to come down for the interview been holding off because I need to study and I didn't have the time or money to come down. You guys have any recommandations on place to stay that is not much or and any insight information that may help me out on the interview??

Lan
 

Hi , everybody.
I am an ATPL flying as Cap in my country . However the taxes are killing me , I will aply to LAN , A friend tell me to try in Perú.
That s my question : how about salary , roster , cost of living and so on .
¿ could I save some money or not?
Thanks a lot

Awhile ago the website was showing openings in Peru, for which "ciudano equitoriano" was required (not sure which countries that applies to, Ecuador, Peru and maybe others?) and Argentina, for which an Argentinian passport was required.

I just tried to check current openings but when I click on the "postular" button it sends you back to the sign on screen.

Are they hiring in Chile now? Any shot for a gringo?

Savings
 

Thanks OW , I really apreciate your information, actually I am flying regional with the same menu : 12 hs of service, 6 legs in a day and so on , the cities are day to day more unsafe , and barely I take on hand about 48 to 55 K Us dollar and for sure NO SAVINGS , life here ( third world country ) life is everedays more expensive .
I am evaluating Midle East and LPerú .
Best regards , any info is welcome

lan
 

Cap J : , the term is : Comunidad Andina , thets include Equator, Bolivia ; Perú , Chile and Spain . However I recomends you ( if speak spanish ) try in Lan Chile , actually hiring. However if you fly CRJ try in PLUNA , Uruguay.
Best regards

I looked at it again and figured out what I was doing wrong. On the sign in page, rather than clicking "ingresar" you need to click on "ofertas empleo" and it takes you to the page where it shows what jobs are open. It now shows Chile, with "hablar espanol" but no citizenship requirement.

Comunidad andina
 

Spain? :ugh:

Do you need to convert your license to get their interest?

Conversión is not a must for LAN Chile, they will take care of that... It s true that it takes awhile for them to answer u, but dont give up, try calling them and you will get there

pacrion Just applied for them and not expecting too much honestly. Fresh cpl holder with just 230 hrs tt all current. Any hopes? Are they calling or doing assessments?
Info would be appreciated, regards.



Last thing you have to lose is hope. I've met candidates with 250hrs who got called, from México and Puerto Rico... So dont lose that hope..

Think it thoroughly!!
 

A few months ago I was invited for an interview that was supposed to be completed in a week or so; instead I was held in Peru for about two months and let me teld you, that wasn't cheap nor easy, yet again they didn't care, apparently that's the way things work over there. I was yet to find out that your flying skills and ratings don't matter much. What really matters is if: "CLAUDIA RODRIGUEZ" from the hiring department, likes you or not, even though she doesn't know anything about flying. So be very very nice to her from they one. Me, a guy from Spain and few other americans just waisted our time and money because at the end of the excruciatingly painful non-technical interview (a CFI job requires more technical knowledge here in the states) were just told: I am sorry but you don't meet the profile of a LAN pilot. Never got a straight response about what that meant. What really surprised me was a night that this girl, an Airbus 319 SIC asked me if I can train her for the NDB approach into Cajamarca (who knows where is located) because she had to fly next day there. Train her in a FS2004. yeap! So this girl is qualified but we are not? the guy from Spain who interview in my group was already a A-320 SIC for a company that went out of business in Spain and wasn't qualified? Don't know what Claudia Rodriguez is really looking for.
Be prepared and good luck.

>>Conversión is not a must for LAN Chile, they will take care of that... It s true that it takes awhile for them to answer u, but dont give up, try calling them and you will get there<<

Who can I call? I've tried looking for a directory but couldn't find anything. I found Tamara Maldonado's email and sent her my resume; I don't know if that was a faux pas.

rmimbe,

I think exactly as you do. Even before you can prove in a simulator test that you are able to fly an airplane or not, HR people, who knows nothing about the whereabouts of flying, decide wether or not you are suitable for the job. It seems that answering FAA questions that were never practically used in my airline years, completing stupid phrases or give a meaning to some ink spots is the best way to assess an individual´s ability to fly an airliner.
In my case I got the typical letter: "Usted no ha sido seleccionado". When I asked them why I got no response, of course, as those people are known for not willing to give any explanations, either for cowardice or arrogance. Being treated like **** (being invited for an interview in another country without airline tickets or hotel acommodation, not answering my emails or doing it only after several days trying, and finally being rejected without further explanation) for those unrespectful, careless low level examples of human beings hurt me more than not being hired.
Like you, I still want to know what a LAN pilot´s profile is all about, as I am sure it will give me the meaning of life and/or ensure my immortality.

mlindb,

Wow, looks like it's more common than I thought :eek:

Among all the things that amazed me was the fact that they will call me at 8 or 9pm and schedule me for the next day first time in the morning and every single time; when I was on my way to the appointment I will get a call postponing it for a few hours later or for a different day and/or if they didn't make any changes I will have to wait in the waiting room for a few hours until they come out and get me. So much lack of consideration :* .
I made it all the way to the full panel interview and still took them a week and a half to tell me that I didn't have the LAN pilot's profile. Nobody thank me for my interest in the company nor anything like.
It did make me change my point of view about how the airline industry treats you in the States. I thought it was bad but NOOO. I came to appreciate what I have here. If you are used to respect and consideration it will be a little shocking.
Pay is good for peruvian standards but that is about it.

For all those interested in a job with LAN, be ready to spend more money and time that you are expecting for your interview. I even had to quit my job but I was lucky I was able to get it back. It's a different culture and a different way of living.

Chears

Unfortunately you are right, rmimbe, it is a cultural issue. I have been treated exactly the same way in all airlines I applied to in latin america (3), while on the other hand I have worked for three companies in three different continents and never experienced such a contempt for people.
And it is unlikely it will change, as long as pilot´s recruitment is in the hands of HR (recursos inhumanos), people who don´t know or care a thing about all the sacrifices and hassles pilots go through (in most of the cases, at least) in order to get a job in an airline, let alone deciding upon someone´s ability to fly.
But hey, those are the people hired to maximize a company´s profit at the expense of their employees, aren´t they? I guess it is like asking Pinochet to be tolerant.

LAN
 

Guys, no offence, but maybe in Latin America we just prefer to employ latin americans.

Well, I am not sure that is the case, since I am a latin american, and so were many of the guys that were treated the same way as I was.
Anyway, rayuae, I think that was a pitiful comment, since so many latin americans are working abroad nowadays.

Guys, this has nothing to do with the HR person (in this case Claudia). Nothing to do about how nice you are with her. The LAN "profile" they create it through their standards and with Psychologists from LAN and from the outside. It's simple. If you are inside the box, you are good. How do you have to be, or act, to be inside the box? We don't know. Usually, these people from HR, they are also psychologists... so don't think the answer comes directly on how much you like to the HR person...

about the bad experience, on the interview taking longer than expected, that is directly fault from LAN and they HR people who are supposed to have arranged that for the candidates, who come from the outside, and usually have jobs at the moment...

good luck ;)

web application
 

A few days ago I was able to view my application, but now I can' figure out how. I wanted to add the last pages of my logbook but I couldn't figure out how to do that either. Any idea where these are?

LAn
 

hey, I noticed that they put numbers or codes in my work experience. Do someone know what could be that codes?

hi OW
 

I am new in this forum...

I would like to ask you if you could give me some advices, I took some exams in Madrid and probably I would go to Lima to work for Lan Peru.

You know, it's a bit tough and I have no idea what I will find or what to be care of...

Thanks in advance Ow.:ok:

ALA

Re-Applying
 

Hey guys, I applied to LAN Peru January 2011. Like most of the other guys I was given the same old routine. I was there for 2 full months going through this process. Very frustrating and expensive to say the least. They also told me I didn't meet the profile after having done exceptionally well in all the other portions of the interview process. I won't go into all the detail cause I'm still a bit disappointed with all that they had me go through for nothing. I received a call from them after about 2 weeks (after I had been back in the states about a week) and was told I was not selected. I was told I could reapply in 1 year. It seems like an awfully long time to wait while most other airlines say you could reapply in 6 month. Anyone have any feedback on this. Not sure if I will reapply, just want to make sure. Being born in Peru but having been brought up in the States since I was 5, I don't know if I have the "whatever" it is they're looking for that meets their Pilot profile. People in Peru are very different in their thinking and way of being. I don't know if I can get used to it, but I'm willing to try if I got hired. Appreciate any info.

N1 you are correct!

Be Mexican by nationality is not enough, you have to be by blood! And this is the truth. I am married to a Mexican girl, could get the citizenship if I wanted to, but would never be able to fly for an airline in Mexico! This is the most RACIST law I have ever seen!!!!!
Many Mexican pilots work outside of Mexico!
This needs to STOP, reciprocity should be applied until they change this stupid law !!!!!!!

Planeshots, don't be discourage for been rise in US. There are many cases in LAN Peru of Peruvians who were grown abroad and there is even a case of a guy who didn't speak any Spanish at the moment he was hired.

By the way LAN Peru also hires expatriates from the Pacto Andino, Argentinians and some Spaniards so you should not be worried of been rejected for living out of PERU.

Relax, look for another company, if you are interested for flying down the South you can also try applying for TACA Peru.

To all who complain about not being hired by LAN.

First. Actually, noone company in the world pays passages or acomodation for applicants. In Europe or USA is inconceivable today.

Second. It is clear that all companies seeking national, is not racism, but it is common sense: nationals will have a tendency to stay in their country.

Thirth. LAN Chile pays and TR and LT. That spending has to be retrieve it. To do this you must ensure that the pilot is psychologically prepared, not only flies well or have enough knowledge. That contempt for psychology is what has led many to fail.

Fourth. In assesments with European companies or Yankees, even have to pay the interview. It is not the case for LAN.

I am sorry, but the old times when if you were Yankee or European you could pass over nationals, but no vice versa to latinamericans in USA or Europe are (fortunately) OVER. :D

Best regards.

No offence...
 

BaronRouge777,

meaning no offense, but in my younger years I spend a fortune (almost 45% of my income at the time) to legally be employed in the United States and at the time the demand was huge for Airline Pilots. I paid my taxes, worked 9-10 hours a day, but still was not allowed to stay any much longer as my lawyer ... WHY should other countries treat North Americans different?!?
In my case, I was educated in Europe (the UK to be exact), trained in the States (and paid for it!), live and work in S. America using my birth right... That "racism" you talk about is what comes in reciprocity to your own, local laws...!
But how about this: When you come visit S. America for your interview, you first make an appointment 12 weeks ahead of time for an appointment, then go to the Embassy of the country, wait 4 hours in line without air conditioning, then explain to the guy behind a bullet proof glass that you will not illegally stay by giving him all your private, personal bank account information, the ones you would not even show your boss or your extended family, then hope for 48 hours they will not deny you the visa, and THEN get the visa ONLY for the days you planed to stay there (hope your vacation will not get cancelled!) and be treated like a threat when you are in that country. All of that treatment for a cute fee of US$154.95 (to be paid ahead, even if your request is denied!)
You guys voted for Bush... so suck it up ;)
Again, no offense!

Eagle

I agree!
 

Bomb900

I agree completely...!
As long as we can't go work all expences paid in American Airlines, United or Air France, why should the Yankee, Brit or Australian come over here... In Mexico, the law of pure blood is still in effect, that means to be in command of a vessel of aircraft with Mexican registration, being a national is not sufficient: You have to been born on Mexican soil!

We need Pilots in S.America, but not at the cost of prostituting our self's out to foreigners. Everyone saw what happened in ETIHAD when FedEx And United hired their furlough back, everyone left within a heart beat while the rest had to fly extra. They left and it cost the company a fortune, a fortune that could break companies like TAM or LAN or GOL...

Good luck!
Eagle

The positions are for A320 FO only, based in SCL,

All well said, but I will still say it is true that it is easier for foreigners to come to the US than the opposite.

The economy of the US is based on cheap labor- the cheapest labor possible, so the people who run the country want to bring in as much labor as they can to keep wages down. EagleA25, I am surprised that you were not able to stay. All the foreign pilot students I knew stayed and became permanent residents and work in the airline industry here, unless they had airline jobs waiting back home.

But it is a pointless argument in any case. Whether you live in a "democracy" or a "people's republic" there is a group of people who run things and decide who is allowed into the country, and they make that decision on what they perceive will increase their power and wealth.

Eagle A25,
What does Bush has to do with the fact Mexico only hires Mexicans by blood to fly planes registered there. Sorry but this is unfair and needs to stop! How many Mexicans are flying in the US and all over the planet? Not sure how your personal story relates to this. And sorry, there is no other terms to qualify this law other than plain racist: if you're not Mexican by blood, you can't work here!!! And we're only talking about flying an airplane, not being President of Mexico!

The best way to get in LAN Perú
 

Hey guys, how are you?

My name is Eduardo I´m 25 years old, i´m from Venezuela but I have the peruvian nationality too.

I`d like to know if anyone of you could help me. I´ve always wanted to be a pilot and i`d like to do it as you all know the airlines market in Venezuela is not the best and I´ve been seeing the oportunities that exist in Peru, for example with LAN Peru and their trainning program.

There are many offers but I don´t know what is the best way to get to flight with lan?

Should I study in Usa and after having try to get into LAN or should I get my private in Usa and after that postulate to LAn trainning program or is better get the private in Peru and try to get in their trainning program.

Well as you can see I´m kind of lost and because my age I don´t have any time to lose any help that you can provide me will be helpfull

Thanks a lot in advance

Simplify This
 

SOUTH AMERICAN CARRIERS ARE RACIST!!!!!! Carriers in the USA hire you based on merits and not where you are from...

johnnyringo42,

Try getting into one without being an American, or having a green card. You'll see they are FAR more "racist" as you call them, than most countries in South America.

Hey eduardo!
Pls get an education first! Get your degree in some other field other than aviation, then get your ratings and flight time.
Right now the market is very competitive, plenty of pilots with thousands of hours looking for jobs..
Cheers!

Aeroprofessional
 

Does someone know why the hell is LAN Perú looking for pilots through Aeroprofessional?


"A320 Experienced A320 Captains and Direct Entry Captains - South America - FD (406)
(Immediately wanted)
Aeropro is currently seeking a number of experienced Captains rated on the Airbus A320. They will join our Client who is based in South America on a permanent basis. Our client is a well-established Airline based in an attractive area of the world offering permanent relocation contracts. We will also consider Captains and First Officers with other type ratings that have at least 5000hrs Total Time and 3000Hrs Jet Time on a case by case basis. This is an excellent opportunity to join a friendly and professional airline if you meet the requirements. Screenings will consist of a Telephone interview and a Simulator assessment in the clients Base. Flights and accommodation will be provided by the Client for attendance to the assessments. Candidates successful at the SIM will be made offers subject to successful completion of the following: Formal Interview and English test to be conducted at the Base of Operations. These processes are carried out in the first week of arrival at the Clients base. You will then begin a training course and license validation procedure with local DGCA. Start date would be negotiated on a case by case basis, depending on individual notice periods/circumstances.
Hide details
Apply now!
Requirements:
Must hold a valid A320 Type Rating. Any valid and current ATPL accepted (ICAO/JAA/FAA)
Must hold a Class 1 medical certificate
Must have flown on the type within the last 6 months
Must hold at least an English ICAO level 4 and fluent Spanish
Must hold a minimum of 5,000 Hrs. Total Time and 3000 Hrs. Jet Time
Must be a national of the Andean Community of Nations. Spanish Nationals or Spanish Speaking Latin America Countries will be considered."

Mokilu,

Because about 8 or 10 Airbus Captains resigned in Nov, (for Qatar, Emirates & Vietnam)..:eek:

This is just the beginning, just like back in 2006-7 when about 30 pilots left (out of a total of 120 back then, now 400 total of which 250 are Airbus typed).

The company has aggressive expansion plans but just doesn't get it...:ugh:

E T I H A D and Qatar recruiting in Lima in Jan & Feb apparently...:D;)

OW

Bond
 

Will these contract pilots need to sign the 50,000 USD bond?