Information about TAM & GOL
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Information about TAM & GOL
Hello to all my colleagues here
Im trying to gather some information about those two brazilian airlines.I would thankful if any of you with experience in those companies or with good source of information could mention here how are things going on.
My main concerns are : roster, bases, salary, command upgrade and company attitude towards the pilot.
Thank you in advance guys
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Im trying to gather some information about those two brazilian airlines.I would thankful if any of you with experience in those companies or with good source of information could mention here how are things going on.
My main concerns are : roster, bases, salary, command upgrade and company attitude towards the pilot.
Thank you in advance guys
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Probably they are not "Columbian", but Colombian...
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Since Avianca Brazil just got their A320, they most likely didn't have Training Captains for it, it's a new type on their fleet. Those Colombian guys can work in Brazil for up to 6 months while training the Brazilian crews. It's all written and explained in the CBAR...
.Since Avianca Brazil just got their A320, they most likely didn't have Training Captains for it, it's a new type on their fleet. Those Colombian guys can work in Brazil for up to 6 months while training the Brazilian crews. It's all written and explained in the CBAR...
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Sorry about that........
I saw Capt and FO, I know about that rule of the six months.
My former employer, who is also the biggest Emb training provider told me about this rule when I was moving to Brazil.
I also know of some foreign pilots that are flying for Rico.
TAM has actually a German pilot, I think he was born in POA from German family, he moved back, Germany does not allow dual passport but he is flying here in Brazil now.
I saw Capt and FO, I know about that rule of the six months.
My former employer, who is also the biggest Emb training provider told me about this rule when I was moving to Brazil.
I also know of some foreign pilots that are flying for Rico.
TAM has actually a German pilot, I think he was born in POA from German family, he moved back, Germany does not allow dual passport but he is flying here in Brazil now.
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"TAM has actually a German pilot, I think he was born in POA from German family, he moved back, Germany does not allow dual passport but he is flying here in Brazil now."
But he certainly has a Brazilian passport. I know a Swiss who is working (flying) in Brazil, he happened to be born in BR, he is the only Brazilian in his family.
But he certainly has a Brazilian passport. I know a Swiss who is working (flying) in Brazil, he happened to be born in BR, he is the only Brazilian in his family.
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I also know of some foreign pilots that are flying for Rico.
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He does not, as I said in Germany you can`t have double citizenship. I met this guy at ANAC. He told me that the first time he got his CCF there was a bunch of Bolivian PLAs taking the test, he had no idea of the reason.
One of my buddies when I use to work for Flight Safety International was a guy from Peru that flew in Brazil.....even for FAB.
Marica Taxi aereo has an English pilot, he has been flying in Brazil for one year now.
One of my buddies when I use to work for Flight Safety International was a guy from Peru that flew in Brazil.....even for FAB.
Marica Taxi aereo has an English pilot, he has been flying in Brazil for one year now.
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He does not, as I said in Germany you can`t have double citizenship. I met this guy at ANAC. He told me that the first time he got his CCF there was a bunch of Bolivian PLAs taking the test, he had no idea of the reason.
One of my buddies when I use to work for Flight Safety International was a guy from Peru that flew in Brazil.....even for FAB.
Marica Taxi aereo has an English pilot, he has been flying in Brazil for one year now.
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My mom has German citizenship but she can`t use it. When she became Swiss she had to deposit the passport.
In Brazil rules don`t count anything, there is always a way to do what you want.
When I first moved here (I came with a tourist Visa) they told me I would never be able to get an RNE without getting married, having a kid with a citizen or invest money. They also said that I would never be able to do anything from Brazil and that I would have to go back an work with the consulate in my own country.
I didn`t even had to claim all the time I spent in Brazil before, which would allow me to stay.
Now I have RNE and work license. I didn`t got married or anything.
before I got my perm Visa they gave me a temporary, they told me I would get the permanent in 2 months, after 5 months nothing I went back and the guy told me that there was a problem in my process and it was never started, but I was legal to live and work in the country, funny eh, I was not able to get the papers they wanted here in Brazil but the guy with no question extended my Visa....
if they tell me, no you can`t work as a pilot....I don`t care because I will manage a way to do it...
In Brazil rules don`t count anything, there is always a way to do what you want.
When I first moved here (I came with a tourist Visa) they told me I would never be able to get an RNE without getting married, having a kid with a citizen or invest money. They also said that I would never be able to do anything from Brazil and that I would have to go back an work with the consulate in my own country.
I didn`t even had to claim all the time I spent in Brazil before, which would allow me to stay.
Now I have RNE and work license. I didn`t got married or anything.
before I got my perm Visa they gave me a temporary, they told me I would get the permanent in 2 months, after 5 months nothing I went back and the guy told me that there was a problem in my process and it was never started, but I was legal to live and work in the country, funny eh, I was not able to get the papers they wanted here in Brazil but the guy with no question extended my Visa....
if they tell me, no you can`t work as a pilot....I don`t care because I will manage a way to do it...
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In Brazil rules don`t count anything, there is always a way to do what you want.
if they tell me, no you can`t work as a pilot....I don`t care because I will manage a way to do it...
Mate, you will never work for a part 135 or 121 operator, but if you want to try your luck flying some dodgy airplane in the middle of the jungle...otherwise you can always go back to Switzerland and make chocolates.
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Alemaobaiano , indeed I have been through the brazilian naturalisation.Thats the reason why I would like to obtain some information about those two airlines.I would be glad if you could share with me any info about roster , salary and genral conditions ( TAM and GOL ).Specially about the rostering.
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My mom has German citizenship but she can`t use it. When she became Swiss she had to deposit the passport.
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This passport discussion leads nowhere because both are right in principle, I was born in Brazil so got the Brazilian passport due to 'lex territorialis" and got the German passport due to being descendant of Germans "lex sanguinea", and still ellegible to work and living permit in Japan due to my wife, but if I choose to lets say emigrate to Swaziland or Switzerland (almost the same
), I would have to open hand of all other passports in order to get the new one, only that a new law in Brazil says you can always return to Brazil and get the Brazilian passport again if you were born in Brazil.
But to come back to the original issue of this post, Gol and Tam, the rosters are not very friendly, you have by law the right of 8 days off in the month, so they schedule you so in order to get no more than those 8 days off, no matter if you fly 85 or 50 hours that month. What sucks is that Homebase is Sao Paulo, but you might start in CGH and end in GRU or otherwise exept for longhaul. Salaries are both now among the best paid for carriers in Brazil, but far behind what you can get abroad or flying biz (executivo). Management treat you in both companies as busdrivers or truckers, Dalits, servants... expect no big respect or consideration, especially in regard for private situations.
I think the chance to get an upgrade in less than 15 years in tam and maybe 12 years with gol is remote, but in aviation you never know... maybe one or both companies collapse before that too...
At least you fly mostly new aircraft and get the TR, dont need to prostitute yourself as P2F, with that you might get some experience and fly somewhere else!
Both companies restrict the copilot on operations in airports like SDU, CGH, NVT, VIX, GYN, etc, or due to weather, so you might have rosters you will only operate as PM...
), I would have to open hand of all other passports in order to get the new one, only that a new law in Brazil says you can always return to Brazil and get the Brazilian passport again if you were born in Brazil.But to come back to the original issue of this post, Gol and Tam, the rosters are not very friendly, you have by law the right of 8 days off in the month, so they schedule you so in order to get no more than those 8 days off, no matter if you fly 85 or 50 hours that month. What sucks is that Homebase is Sao Paulo, but you might start in CGH and end in GRU or otherwise exept for longhaul. Salaries are both now among the best paid for carriers in Brazil, but far behind what you can get abroad or flying biz (executivo). Management treat you in both companies as busdrivers or truckers, Dalits, servants... expect no big respect or consideration, especially in regard for private situations.
I think the chance to get an upgrade in less than 15 years in tam and maybe 12 years with gol is remote, but in aviation you never know... maybe one or both companies collapse before that too...
At least you fly mostly new aircraft and get the TR, dont need to prostitute yourself as P2F, with that you might get some experience and fly somewhere else!
Both companies restrict the copilot on operations in airports like SDU, CGH, NVT, VIX, GYN, etc, or due to weather, so you might have rosters you will only operate as PM...
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TOFFAIR sums up the situation well, but on domestic you will often be away from home for up to five days, depending on the routes flown. Even the Sao Paulo/Rio shuttle sometimes has you staying in Rio overnight.
TAM at least has a better possibility of moving on to the international fleet, and the roster on international is much more friendly, typically 16 days per month with additional standby duties, but coming into the 320 fleet you will be waiting a long time to move up.
AZUL offers return to home base (Campinas) every night, but their salaries are around 10% lower, so take your pick.
The comment about management is pretty accurate, don't expect much in the way of consideration or respect. Management's attitude is that there are so many waiting for the chance to fly at the bigger carriers that there will always be another FO to take your place.
TTFN
TAM at least has a better possibility of moving on to the international fleet, and the roster on international is much more friendly, typically 16 days per month with additional standby duties, but coming into the 320 fleet you will be waiting a long time to move up.
AZUL offers return to home base (Campinas) every night, but their salaries are around 10% lower, so take your pick.
The comment about management is pretty accurate, don't expect much in the way of consideration or respect. Management's attitude is that there are so many waiting for the chance to fly at the bigger carriers that there will always be another FO to take your place.
TTFN
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TOFFAIR is spot on.
Maybe you should do a search on past threads, that would get you some answers.
But you wont get an exact number for pay rates as the salary varies too much from one month to another.
At TAM, Avianca Brasil and WebJet they pay by Base Salary + Kilometres and at GOL and Azul is Basic + Flying hours. I have no clue how Trip pays.
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Maybe you should do a search on past threads, that would get you some answers.
But you wont get an exact number for pay rates as the salary varies too much from one month to another.
At TAM, Avianca Brasil and WebJet they pay by Base Salary + Kilometres and at GOL and Azul is Basic + Flying hours. I have no clue how Trip pays.
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Around 8-10k after taxes for widebodies at TAM.
5-6K for narrowbody I think.
Schedule sucks. Company sucks. Employees treated like crap. No star alliance benefits. The list goes on and on......
VF
5-6K for narrowbody I think.
Schedule sucks. Company sucks. Employees treated like crap. No star alliance benefits. The list goes on and on......
VF
