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Class D FFS hours.
Just a quick query. Do employers and transport Canada award credit for the FFS (Class D) simulator hours hogged during recurrent training?
I was wondering if I could add them to my grand total?
I was wondering if I could add them to my grand total?
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First off, stop hogging the sim. The rest of us want to finish up and go home. 
More importantly, no, simulator time can not be counted as flight time. Even if it felt like you went airborne on that last landing. Log in the simulator column and don’t include it in your grand total.
More importantly, no, simulator time can not be counted as flight time. Even if it felt like you went airborne on that last landing. Log in the simulator column and don’t include it in your grand total.
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How LOW is your grand total that you are considering fluffing it with a few sim hours?
It's simple.. the typical canadian logbook says GRAND TOTAL (Columns (1) to (10))
No sim is no included.
So what don't you get about that?
It's simple.. the typical canadian logbook says GRAND TOTAL (Columns (1) to (10))
No sim is no included.
So what don't you get about that?
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My TT is about 950 hours, mostly efis jets.
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First off, stop hogging the sim. The rest of us want to finish up and go home.
More importantly, no, simulator time can not be counted as flight time. Even if it felt like you went airborne on that last landing. Log in the simulator column and don’t include it in your grand total.
More importantly, no, simulator time can not be counted as flight time. Even if it felt like you went airborne on that last landing. Log in the simulator column and don’t include it in your grand total.
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I had 1460hrs when I left Canada for Norway.
Could only convert to CPL and had to sit 8 exams due to that fact.
Took me a lot of time and money. Learnt a lot.
Made sure my book was 100% correct.
Suggest You do the same, Eh!
Grand total now 19000, err sorry
15000 Flight
4000 Sim
Regards
Cpt B
Could only convert to CPL and had to sit 8 exams due to that fact.
Took me a lot of time and money. Learnt a lot.
Made sure my book was 100% correct.
Suggest You do the same, Eh!
Grand total now 19000, err sorry
15000 Flight
4000 Sim
Regards
Cpt B
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I had 1460hrs when I left Canada for Norway.
Could only convert to CPL and had to sit 8 exams due to that fact.
Took me a lot of time and money. Learnt a lot.
Made sure my book was 100% correct.
Suggest You do the same, Eh!
Grand total now 19000, err sorry
15000 Flight
4000 Sim
Regards
Cpt B
Could only convert to CPL and had to sit 8 exams due to that fact.
Took me a lot of time and money. Learnt a lot.
Made sure my book was 100% correct.
Suggest You do the same, Eh!
Grand total now 19000, err sorry
15000 Flight
4000 Sim
Regards
Cpt B
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I dont get it
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I would think BluSdUp is saying the division of hours only really matters when you're obtaining your hours for the next license or rating. Once you're done with ATPL in hand, it doesn't matter - count your time based on your preference. Some pilots include sim time into the total they tell other pilots, others don't. Just don't do that with the regulator.
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I will offer a perspective from someone who in a previous life was involved in the interview process of flight crew. While hours spent in a level D sim do have a certain amount of interest to a potential employer, they should be kept wholly separate and not included in aircraft totals. On the odd occasion that I saw this (inclusion in grand totals) on an application/resume my view would be...what else is hiding here or may be fluffing up the numbers. Quite frankly I wouldn't have the time or the interest to dig into it and would simply move on to the next applicant. Whether the regulator allows inclusion or not for the purposes of a licence upgrade is of little relevance to most employers.
My 2 cents, take it for what it's worth
Cheers
My 2 cents, take it for what it's worth
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I will offer a perspective from someone who in a previous life was involved in the interview process of flight crew. While hours spent in a level D sim do have a certain amount of interest to a potential employer, they should be kept wholly separate and not included in aircraft totals. On the odd occasion that I saw this (inclusion in grand totals) on an application/resume my view would be...what else is hiding here or may be fluffing up the numbers. Quite frankly I wouldn't have the time or the interest to dig into it and would simply move on to the next applicant. Whether the regulator allows inclusion or not for the purposes of a licence upgrade is of little relevance to most employers.
My 2 cents, take it for what it's worth
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My 2 cents, take it for what it's worth
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Employers are only interested in the number of hours spent risking your life in an aeroplane, not in a simulator! Even though it feels real sometimes! 
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Your question gets asked with amazing regularity. There is a rather simple way to look at your ‘experience’ in terms of hours spent doing whatever it is you’re doing in an aircraft or simulator accumulating those ‘hours’. A simple YES/NO answer to your question as far as what to log and how to log it, isn’t so straight forward. Despite a variety of opinions, including mine.
Let's be honest, once you obtain your ATPL, no one gives a sh*t how you log what you log, except YOU. However, it just makes sense to divvy up your experience across the columns in your personal logbook sensibly so that YOU see what you’ve done and how you’ve done it. It’s YOUR record, easily explained to anyone. Including a prospective employer. Because, at some point, what you claim as your true qualifications and experience will come out on the flight deck for all to see. The same goes for a prospective employer once they open your logbook up for review.
You’ve already read from other posts that simulator time isn’t worth sh*t in a handbag.
Not so. All your simulator time should be logged. But again, it should be broken down and entered into the columns that make the most sense. There is also the very important requirement that when you claim simulator time it's flown in an “approved” device.
For example: a Level 6 or 7 ‘approved’ ATD/FTD. A Level C or Level D ‘approved’ FFS.
You can google any authority for ‘approved’ simulators. As examples, the Dash8-300 simulator in Downsview has an EASA ‘approved’ ID of EU-PT019/CU. The Dash8-300 simulator in Seattle has a Transport Canada ID of 187. The same Seattle Dash8-300 has an FAA ID of 1243. If you logged time in any of these simulators you’d use the applicable Authority device ID as the Aircraft Registration in your logbook.
Firstly, I’d recommend you log your time electronically then hand write it in your logbook. While there are many electronic logbooks out there, I highly recommend the mccPILOTLOG. You can do amazing things with this logbook. You can even separate your time logged in simulators if you ever had a need.
Time spent training, whether it’s in an aircraft or an ‘approved’ simulator is valuable. Keep an accurate record of both. Most Canadian logbooks, as previously stated, total columns 1 through 10 for total flight time. But be realistic, when logging simulator time be sure to claim only those flight hours that represent value if you enter them in any column between 1 and 10. Whatever you claim is up to you. It's your logbook. There are no violations or fines for tracking your experience. Only the numerous referees out there who think they know what you CAN and CAN'T log.
Sitting at FL350 at 40 West sending position reports every 40 minutes may be considered valuable experience. So is training in a simulator where in 40 minutes you can do a V1 cut, a single-engine instrument approach, a single-engine go-around followed by a second single-engine approach to a single-engine landing. Unquestionably, valuable experience. Record it. Don’t sell yourself short.
Don’t worry about whether or not somebody agrees with the way you log YOUR experience. An employer knows what they consider valuable. The numbers of hours in your logbook beyond the ATPL level doesn’t really mean a whole lot. It’s what you did while accumulating those hours so make sure you can illustrate that through your logbook.
Bottom line? If you're looking for a higher licence be very careful how you log your flight time. Make sure it is acceptable to your authority and always have your claim CERTIFIED correct.
...that's all I got.
Willie Everlearn
Your question gets asked with amazing regularity. There is a rather simple way to look at your ‘experience’ in terms of hours spent doing whatever it is you’re doing in an aircraft or simulator accumulating those ‘hours’. A simple YES/NO answer to your question as far as what to log and how to log it, isn’t so straight forward. Despite a variety of opinions, including mine.
Let's be honest, once you obtain your ATPL, no one gives a sh*t how you log what you log, except YOU. However, it just makes sense to divvy up your experience across the columns in your personal logbook sensibly so that YOU see what you’ve done and how you’ve done it. It’s YOUR record, easily explained to anyone. Including a prospective employer. Because, at some point, what you claim as your true qualifications and experience will come out on the flight deck for all to see. The same goes for a prospective employer once they open your logbook up for review.
You’ve already read from other posts that simulator time isn’t worth sh*t in a handbag.
Not so. All your simulator time should be logged. But again, it should be broken down and entered into the columns that make the most sense. There is also the very important requirement that when you claim simulator time it's flown in an “approved” device.
For example: a Level 6 or 7 ‘approved’ ATD/FTD. A Level C or Level D ‘approved’ FFS.
You can google any authority for ‘approved’ simulators. As examples, the Dash8-300 simulator in Downsview has an EASA ‘approved’ ID of EU-PT019/CU. The Dash8-300 simulator in Seattle has a Transport Canada ID of 187. The same Seattle Dash8-300 has an FAA ID of 1243. If you logged time in any of these simulators you’d use the applicable Authority device ID as the Aircraft Registration in your logbook.
Firstly, I’d recommend you log your time electronically then hand write it in your logbook. While there are many electronic logbooks out there, I highly recommend the mccPILOTLOG. You can do amazing things with this logbook. You can even separate your time logged in simulators if you ever had a need.
Time spent training, whether it’s in an aircraft or an ‘approved’ simulator is valuable. Keep an accurate record of both. Most Canadian logbooks, as previously stated, total columns 1 through 10 for total flight time. But be realistic, when logging simulator time be sure to claim only those flight hours that represent value if you enter them in any column between 1 and 10. Whatever you claim is up to you. It's your logbook. There are no violations or fines for tracking your experience. Only the numerous referees out there who think they know what you CAN and CAN'T log.
Sitting at FL350 at 40 West sending position reports every 40 minutes may be considered valuable experience. So is training in a simulator where in 40 minutes you can do a V1 cut, a single-engine instrument approach, a single-engine go-around followed by a second single-engine approach to a single-engine landing. Unquestionably, valuable experience. Record it. Don’t sell yourself short.
Don’t worry about whether or not somebody agrees with the way you log YOUR experience. An employer knows what they consider valuable. The numbers of hours in your logbook beyond the ATPL level doesn’t really mean a whole lot. It’s what you did while accumulating those hours so make sure you can illustrate that through your logbook.
Bottom line? If you're looking for a higher licence be very careful how you log your flight time. Make sure it is acceptable to your authority and always have your claim CERTIFIED correct.
...that's all I got.
Willie Everlearn
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Your question gets asked with amazing regularity. There is a rather simple way to look at your ‘experience’ in terms of hours spent doing whatever it is you’re doing in an aircraft or simulator accumulating those ‘hours’. A simple YES/NO answer to your question as far as what to log and how to log it, isn’t so straight forward. Despite a variety of opinions, including mine.
Let's be honest, once you obtain your ATPL, no one gives a sh*t how you log what you log, except YOU. However, it just makes sense to divvy up your experience across the columns in your personal logbook sensibly so that YOU see what you’ve done and how you’ve done it. It’s YOUR record, easily explained to anyone. Including a prospective employer. Because, at some point, what you claim as your true qualifications and experience will come out on the flight deck for all to see. The same goes for a prospective employer once they open your logbook up for review.
You’ve already read from other posts that simulator time isn’t worth sh*t in a handbag.
Not so. All your simulator time should be logged. But again, it should be broken down and entered into the columns that make the most sense. There is also the very important requirement that when you claim simulator time it's flown in an “approved” device.
For example: a Level 6 or 7 ‘approved’ ATD/FTD. A Level C or Level D ‘approved’ FFS.
You can google any authority for ‘approved’ simulators. As examples, the Dash8-300 simulator in Downsview has an EASA ‘approved’ ID of EU-PT019/CU. The Dash8-300 simulator in Seattle has a Transport Canada ID of 187. The same Seattle Dash8-300 has an FAA ID of 1243. If you logged time in any of these simulators you’d use the applicable Authority device ID as the Aircraft Registration in your logbook.
Firstly, I’d recommend you log your time electronically then hand write it in your logbook. While there are many electronic logbooks out there, I highly recommend the mccPILOTLOG. You can do amazing things with this logbook. You can even separate your time logged in simulators if you ever had a need.
Time spent training, whether it’s in an aircraft or an ‘approved’ simulator is valuable. Keep an accurate record of both. Most Canadian logbooks, as previously stated, total columns 1 through 10 for total flight time. But be realistic, when logging simulator time be sure to claim only those flight hours that represent value if you enter them in any column between 1 and 10. Whatever you claim is up to you. It's your logbook. There are no violations or fines for tracking your experience. Only the numerous referees out there who think they know what you CAN and CAN'T log.
Sitting at FL350 at 40 West sending position reports every 40 minutes may be considered valuable experience. So is training in a simulator where in 40 minutes you can do a V1 cut, a single-engine instrument approach, a single-engine go-around followed by a second single-engine approach to a single-engine landing. Unquestionably, valuable experience. Record it. Don’t sell yourself short.
Don’t worry about whether or not somebody agrees with the way you log YOUR experience. An employer knows what they consider valuable. The numbers of hours in your logbook beyond the ATPL level doesn’t really mean a whole lot. It’s what you did while accumulating those hours so make sure you can illustrate that through your logbook.
Bottom line? If you're looking for a higher licence be very careful how you log your flight time. Make sure it is acceptable to your authority and always have your claim CERTIFIED correct.
...that's all I got.
Willie Everlearn
Your question gets asked with amazing regularity. There is a rather simple way to look at your ‘experience’ in terms of hours spent doing whatever it is you’re doing in an aircraft or simulator accumulating those ‘hours’. A simple YES/NO answer to your question as far as what to log and how to log it, isn’t so straight forward. Despite a variety of opinions, including mine.
Let's be honest, once you obtain your ATPL, no one gives a sh*t how you log what you log, except YOU. However, it just makes sense to divvy up your experience across the columns in your personal logbook sensibly so that YOU see what you’ve done and how you’ve done it. It’s YOUR record, easily explained to anyone. Including a prospective employer. Because, at some point, what you claim as your true qualifications and experience will come out on the flight deck for all to see. The same goes for a prospective employer once they open your logbook up for review.
You’ve already read from other posts that simulator time isn’t worth sh*t in a handbag.
Not so. All your simulator time should be logged. But again, it should be broken down and entered into the columns that make the most sense. There is also the very important requirement that when you claim simulator time it's flown in an “approved” device.
For example: a Level 6 or 7 ‘approved’ ATD/FTD. A Level C or Level D ‘approved’ FFS.
You can google any authority for ‘approved’ simulators. As examples, the Dash8-300 simulator in Downsview has an EASA ‘approved’ ID of EU-PT019/CU. The Dash8-300 simulator in Seattle has a Transport Canada ID of 187. The same Seattle Dash8-300 has an FAA ID of 1243. If you logged time in any of these simulators you’d use the applicable Authority device ID as the Aircraft Registration in your logbook.
Firstly, I’d recommend you log your time electronically then hand write it in your logbook. While there are many electronic logbooks out there, I highly recommend the mccPILOTLOG. You can do amazing things with this logbook. You can even separate your time logged in simulators if you ever had a need.
Time spent training, whether it’s in an aircraft or an ‘approved’ simulator is valuable. Keep an accurate record of both. Most Canadian logbooks, as previously stated, total columns 1 through 10 for total flight time. But be realistic, when logging simulator time be sure to claim only those flight hours that represent value if you enter them in any column between 1 and 10. Whatever you claim is up to you. It's your logbook. There are no violations or fines for tracking your experience. Only the numerous referees out there who think they know what you CAN and CAN'T log.
Sitting at FL350 at 40 West sending position reports every 40 minutes may be considered valuable experience. So is training in a simulator where in 40 minutes you can do a V1 cut, a single-engine instrument approach, a single-engine go-around followed by a second single-engine approach to a single-engine landing. Unquestionably, valuable experience. Record it. Don’t sell yourself short.
Don’t worry about whether or not somebody agrees with the way you log YOUR experience. An employer knows what they consider valuable. The numbers of hours in your logbook beyond the ATPL level doesn’t really mean a whole lot. It’s what you did while accumulating those hours so make sure you can illustrate that through your logbook.
Bottom line? If you're looking for a higher licence be very careful how you log your flight time. Make sure it is acceptable to your authority and always have your claim CERTIFIED correct.
...that's all I got.
Willie Everlearn
Willie
Thank you so much for your reply. And it does make sense. I often used to wonder how simulator experience cant be valued even though all one does is follow through emergency exercises
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A boatload indeed
Over 10 years mind you . 4 different types.
Head of Training Do328TP, Bankrupt company, then 328Jet as the first qualified TRI
Boatloads of CASH
Then A320 SFI just 3 days before 9/11. Turned out the sim was a safe place with two Types.
Then 737-800 SFI and eventually fulltime LOCO.
Looking back it was a bit mad, but I had mouths to feed.
Did learn a thing or two as well.
OK
It was mad , but I did 14 on 14 off and boatload of money.
You all stay safe now , Eh.
Regards
Cpt B
Over 10 years mind you . 4 different types.
Head of Training Do328TP, Bankrupt company, then 328Jet as the first qualified TRI
Boatloads of CASH
Then A320 SFI just 3 days before 9/11. Turned out the sim was a safe place with two Types.
Then 737-800 SFI and eventually fulltime LOCO.
Looking back it was a bit mad, but I had mouths to feed.
Did learn a thing or two as well.
OK
It was mad , but I did 14 on 14 off and boatload of money.
You all stay safe now , Eh.
Regards
Cpt B
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A boatload indeed
Over 10 years mind you . 4 different types.
Head of Training Do328TP, Bankrupt company, then 328Jet as the first qualified TRI
Boatloads of CASH
Then A320 SFI just 3 days before 9/11. Turned out the sim was a safe place with two Types.
Then 737-800 SFI and eventually fulltime LOCO.
Looking back it was a bit mad, but I had mouths to feed.
Did learn a thing or two as well.
OK
It was mad , but I did 14 on 14 off and boatload of money.
You all stay safe now , Eh.
Regards
Cpt B
Over 10 years mind you . 4 different types.
Head of Training Do328TP, Bankrupt company, then 328Jet as the first qualified TRI
Boatloads of CASH
Then A320 SFI just 3 days before 9/11. Turned out the sim was a safe place with two Types.
Then 737-800 SFI and eventually fulltime LOCO.
Looking back it was a bit mad, but I had mouths to feed.
Did learn a thing or two as well.
OK
It was mad , but I did 14 on 14 off and boatload of money.
You all stay safe now , Eh.
Regards
Cpt B
