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Hi Everybody,
Just to know if anyone would know the working condition at Nolinor for a F/O Boeing 737-200/300 (day flights, hours etc...) and the salary?
Thanks
Just to know if anyone would know the working condition at Nolinor for a F/O Boeing 737-200/300 (day flights, hours etc...) and the salary?
Thanks
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Not sure if you can access it by Discovery Channel did a one hour show on this company and it flight up north to a mining operation. Searching it on Google will give you a number of hits on the show. As a hint Think Cold.
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Norlinor are known to refuse to hire flight crew who do not speak french.
They ads specifically state that French is required. They eliminate the majority of Canadian pilots who do not speak french. It is blatant discrimination that makes it a very good reason why not to fly with them or support the Quebec brand of intolerance and hatred towards anyone who does not speak French.
Norlinor are doing carrying out this program of the Quebec Government that is a blatant promotion of hatred while deriving their income from Anglophones outside of Quebec.
They ads specifically state that French is required. They eliminate the majority of Canadian pilots who do not speak french. It is blatant discrimination that makes it a very good reason why not to fly with them or support the Quebec brand of intolerance and hatred towards anyone who does not speak French.
Norlinor are doing carrying out this program of the Quebec Government that is a blatant promotion of hatred while deriving their income from Anglophones outside of Quebec.
To Ramjet555, cluckdriver and slack you are wrong... Please stop the QB bashing because I could do the same for the rest of Canada.
We hired last year a pilot that came from Nolinor (B737 driver) because of a job posting that was based in CYWG where his wife's family is located and the bonus is that the corporate position also pays better than most airline jobs too.
Although he is French from the Montreal area and his wife is an Anglophone from the Winnipeg area, he tells me that there are anglos flying at Nolinor and some of them are captains on the B737.
Our company in Montreal also hires anglos and I have never heard of any discrimination against them at our company and I have been here 28 years. In fact some of them live in Ontario and commute to CYUL for their flights.
We hired last year a pilot that came from Nolinor (B737 driver) because of a job posting that was based in CYWG where his wife's family is located and the bonus is that the corporate position also pays better than most airline jobs too.
Although he is French from the Montreal area and his wife is an Anglophone from the Winnipeg area, he tells me that there are anglos flying at Nolinor and some of them are captains on the B737.
Our company in Montreal also hires anglos and I have never heard of any discrimination against them at our company and I have been here 28 years. In fact some of them live in Ontario and commute to CYUL for their flights.
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Jet Jockey,
Unfortunately, you have conflated Norlinor with an Operator in Montreal.
I got my information from a Norlinor pilot at a time and location I will not name but, I basically go to almost every place they go to in Canada.
I'm also speaking from personal experience and that of other Canadian pilots.
While there may be a few Anglophones flying with Norlin or, these pilots also are Fluent in French, that is, they could impress as speaking with a Montreal accent.
I have no doubt that some of their Captains speak English only, but got hired because Norlinor could not find any Qualified 737 Captains who were bilingual in French. Not too many of their new hires will be qualified 737 Captains who can get a job anywhere in the world. This topic is about FO's getting hired and trained in a 737 at Norlinor.
Its very much a family run business, its "old school" and that "old school" mandates hiring Francophone first, bi-lingual second, and an almost impossible Anglophone only a very distant and next to impossible third.
Just read their ads that specifically state French is required. They have limited themselves to a very small of the pilot pool who
will be offered jobs in a flash at Encore, Westjet etc.
Sooner or latter, when resignations start arriving every day for the above airlines, who will also grab the bi-lingual pilots, they might reconsider that policy, which at present, appears unlikely to change.
Its the same with ATC in Montreal, where you see Anglophones who are bi-lingual, they grew up with both languages, many speak English with a French accent when English is their first ltianguage, consciously or subconsciously,
Then you conflate "your Montreal company" that you claim hires Anglophones without mentioning that they are bilingual or can speak , read and write in French.
Anyone educated in Ontario schools gets some basic french, and many are at least conversational enough to get a job flying in Quebec, anyone who did not get an education in Frelnch is unlikely to have an ability in French or get a job in Quebec period, let alone in the politics of Quebec Aviation.
The discrimination in Quebec against Anglophone non french speaking pilots is sickening.
Take ATC.
"ABC, you have bad radio" is the standard reply at St. Hubert to an Anglophone in English. I've heard it, while instructing at St. Hubert. The CFI was listening on the same frequency and said "there was no bad radio, I heard you perfectly.
This problem has been around for decades. Its also a catch 22 situation, you can't develop proficiency in a language unless you are immersed in it. Many pilots have either no education in French because it was not available when and where they went to school.
I recall arriving in Montreal, excited about the prospect of improving my French by immersion. Lots of very nice people in Montreal carefully explained the political hostility towards Anglophones and immediately got a job elsewhere.
In Europe, most educated people speak English and are generally supportive of anyone wanted to learn another language by immersion. What Quebec does not understand is that they deter away many people including myself who would have become proficient in French if given the opportunity which I was given in other languages but not French.
Back to Norlinor
You "conflated" other operators apparently to support Norlinor who deserve some negative publicity for their blatant refusal to hire those who do not speak french.
There are several other companies in Montreal, who don't want to be named who quietly hire Anglophones mainly because they fly to the USA a lot and their clients do not have the political power to effect revenge or dictate who they can hire as pilots absent that anti-anglophone negativity which can and does border on an unproductive culture of hatred.
At one airport recently, Norlinor and a PC12 from Montreal was there and the PC12 was an Anglophone but was bi-lingual. He stated again, that their company considers Anglophones but, at the end of the day, it saves a lot of political problems by having at least, bi-lingual pilots.
Times are changing in flight schools, many in Quebec still will not have an anglophone unless bi-lingual. Now with a shortage, you now start to see, "will consider a highly qualified instructor who does not speak French"
The Quebec Charter companies have been constantly lowering ltheir requirements to the point that they are hiring with bare IFR CPL as long as they are Francophones or at least, bi-lingual in French and English.
Now lets see if anyone posts who is a uni-lingual Anglophone FO on a 737 at Norlinor. I don't expect any replies.
Ramjet
Unfortunately, you have conflated Norlinor with an Operator in Montreal.
I got my information from a Norlinor pilot at a time and location I will not name but, I basically go to almost every place they go to in Canada.
I'm also speaking from personal experience and that of other Canadian pilots.
While there may be a few Anglophones flying with Norlin or, these pilots also are Fluent in French, that is, they could impress as speaking with a Montreal accent.
I have no doubt that some of their Captains speak English only, but got hired because Norlinor could not find any Qualified 737 Captains who were bilingual in French. Not too many of their new hires will be qualified 737 Captains who can get a job anywhere in the world. This topic is about FO's getting hired and trained in a 737 at Norlinor.
Its very much a family run business, its "old school" and that "old school" mandates hiring Francophone first, bi-lingual second, and an almost impossible Anglophone only a very distant and next to impossible third.
Just read their ads that specifically state French is required. They have limited themselves to a very small of the pilot pool who
will be offered jobs in a flash at Encore, Westjet etc.
Sooner or latter, when resignations start arriving every day for the above airlines, who will also grab the bi-lingual pilots, they might reconsider that policy, which at present, appears unlikely to change.
Its the same with ATC in Montreal, where you see Anglophones who are bi-lingual, they grew up with both languages, many speak English with a French accent when English is their first ltianguage, consciously or subconsciously,
Then you conflate "your Montreal company" that you claim hires Anglophones without mentioning that they are bilingual or can speak , read and write in French.
Anyone educated in Ontario schools gets some basic french, and many are at least conversational enough to get a job flying in Quebec, anyone who did not get an education in Frelnch is unlikely to have an ability in French or get a job in Quebec period, let alone in the politics of Quebec Aviation.
The discrimination in Quebec against Anglophone non french speaking pilots is sickening.
Take ATC.
"ABC, you have bad radio" is the standard reply at St. Hubert to an Anglophone in English. I've heard it, while instructing at St. Hubert. The CFI was listening on the same frequency and said "there was no bad radio, I heard you perfectly.
This problem has been around for decades. Its also a catch 22 situation, you can't develop proficiency in a language unless you are immersed in it. Many pilots have either no education in French because it was not available when and where they went to school.
I recall arriving in Montreal, excited about the prospect of improving my French by immersion. Lots of very nice people in Montreal carefully explained the political hostility towards Anglophones and immediately got a job elsewhere.
In Europe, most educated people speak English and are generally supportive of anyone wanted to learn another language by immersion. What Quebec does not understand is that they deter away many people including myself who would have become proficient in French if given the opportunity which I was given in other languages but not French.
Back to Norlinor
You "conflated" other operators apparently to support Norlinor who deserve some negative publicity for their blatant refusal to hire those who do not speak french.
There are several other companies in Montreal, who don't want to be named who quietly hire Anglophones mainly because they fly to the USA a lot and their clients do not have the political power to effect revenge or dictate who they can hire as pilots absent that anti-anglophone negativity which can and does border on an unproductive culture of hatred.
At one airport recently, Norlinor and a PC12 from Montreal was there and the PC12 was an Anglophone but was bi-lingual. He stated again, that their company considers Anglophones but, at the end of the day, it saves a lot of political problems by having at least, bi-lingual pilots.
Times are changing in flight schools, many in Quebec still will not have an anglophone unless bi-lingual. Now with a shortage, you now start to see, "will consider a highly qualified instructor who does not speak French"
The Quebec Charter companies have been constantly lowering ltheir requirements to the point that they are hiring with bare IFR CPL as long as they are Francophones or at least, bi-lingual in French and English.
Now lets see if anyone posts who is a uni-lingual Anglophone FO on a 737 at Norlinor. I don't expect any replies.
Ramjet
Last edited by Ramjet555; 17th Feb 2018 at 19:47.
Jet Jockey,
Unfortunately, you have conflated Norlinor with an Operator in Montreal.
I got my information from a Norlinor pilot at a time and location I will not name but, I basically go to almost every place they go to in Canada.
I'm also speaking from personal experience and that of other Canadian pilots.
While there may be a few Anglophones flying with Norlin or, these pilots also are Fluent in French, that is, they could impress as speaking with a Montreal accent.
I have no doubt that some of their Captains speak English only, but got hired because Norlinor could not find any Qualified 737 Captains who were bilingual in French. Not too many of their new hires will be qualified 737 Captains who can get a job anywhere in the world. This topic is about FO's getting hired and trained in a 737 at Norlinor.
Its very much a family run business, its "old school" and that "old school" mandates hiring Francophone first, bi-lingual second, and an almost impossible Anglophone only a very distant and next to impossible third.
Just read their ads that specifically state French is required. They have limited themselves to a very small of the pilot pool who
will be offered jobs in a flash at Encore, Westjet etc.
Sooner or latter, when resignations start arriving every day for the above airlines, who will also grab the bi-lingual pilots, they might reconsider that policy, which at present, appears unlikely to change.
Its the same with ATC in Montreal, where you see Anglophones who are bi-lingual, they grew up with both languages, many speak English with a French accent when English is their first ltianguage, consciously or subconsciously,
Then you conflate "your Montreal company" that you claim hires Anglophones without mentioning that they are bilingual or can speak , read and write in French.
Anyone educated in Ontario schools gets some basic french, and many are at least conversational enough to get a job flying in Quebec, anyone who did not get an education in Frelnch is unlikely to have an ability in French or get a job in Quebec period, let alone in the politics of Quebec Aviation.
The discrimination in Quebec against Anglophone non french speaking pilots is sickening.
Take ATC. "ABC, you have bad radio" is the standard reply at St. Hubert to an Anglophone in English. It's not so bad if you have a very difficult to understand Chinese or Arabic accent that make up most of the students there.
You "conflated" other operators apparently to support Norlinor who deserve some negative publicity for their blatant refusal to hire those who do not speak french.
There are several other companies, who don't want to be named who quietly hire Anglophones mainly because they fly to the USA a lot and their clients do not have the political power to effect revenge or dictate who they can hire as pilots.
At one airport recently, Norlinor and a PC12 from Montreal was there and the PC12 was an Anglophone but was bi-lingual. He stated again, that their company considers Anglophones but, at the end of the day, it saves a lot of political problems by having at least, bi-lingual pilots.
Times are changing in flight schools, many in Quebec still will not have an anglophone unless bi-lingual. Now with a shortage, you now start to see, "will consider a highly qualified instructor who does not speak French"
The Quebec Charter companies have been constantly lowering ltheir requirements to the point that they are hiring with bare IFR CPL as long as they are Francophones or at least, bi-lingual in French and English.
Now lets see if anyone posts who is a uni-lingual Anglophone FO on a 737 at Norlinor. I don't expect any replies.
Ramjet
Unfortunately, you have conflated Norlinor with an Operator in Montreal.
I got my information from a Norlinor pilot at a time and location I will not name but, I basically go to almost every place they go to in Canada.
I'm also speaking from personal experience and that of other Canadian pilots.
While there may be a few Anglophones flying with Norlin or, these pilots also are Fluent in French, that is, they could impress as speaking with a Montreal accent.
I have no doubt that some of their Captains speak English only, but got hired because Norlinor could not find any Qualified 737 Captains who were bilingual in French. Not too many of their new hires will be qualified 737 Captains who can get a job anywhere in the world. This topic is about FO's getting hired and trained in a 737 at Norlinor.
Its very much a family run business, its "old school" and that "old school" mandates hiring Francophone first, bi-lingual second, and an almost impossible Anglophone only a very distant and next to impossible third.
Just read their ads that specifically state French is required. They have limited themselves to a very small of the pilot pool who
will be offered jobs in a flash at Encore, Westjet etc.
Sooner or latter, when resignations start arriving every day for the above airlines, who will also grab the bi-lingual pilots, they might reconsider that policy, which at present, appears unlikely to change.
Its the same with ATC in Montreal, where you see Anglophones who are bi-lingual, they grew up with both languages, many speak English with a French accent when English is their first ltianguage, consciously or subconsciously,
Then you conflate "your Montreal company" that you claim hires Anglophones without mentioning that they are bilingual or can speak , read and write in French.
Anyone educated in Ontario schools gets some basic french, and many are at least conversational enough to get a job flying in Quebec, anyone who did not get an education in Frelnch is unlikely to have an ability in French or get a job in Quebec period, let alone in the politics of Quebec Aviation.
The discrimination in Quebec against Anglophone non french speaking pilots is sickening.
Take ATC. "ABC, you have bad radio" is the standard reply at St. Hubert to an Anglophone in English. It's not so bad if you have a very difficult to understand Chinese or Arabic accent that make up most of the students there.
You "conflated" other operators apparently to support Norlinor who deserve some negative publicity for their blatant refusal to hire those who do not speak french.
There are several other companies, who don't want to be named who quietly hire Anglophones mainly because they fly to the USA a lot and their clients do not have the political power to effect revenge or dictate who they can hire as pilots.
At one airport recently, Norlinor and a PC12 from Montreal was there and the PC12 was an Anglophone but was bi-lingual. He stated again, that their company considers Anglophones but, at the end of the day, it saves a lot of political problems by having at least, bi-lingual pilots.
Times are changing in flight schools, many in Quebec still will not have an anglophone unless bi-lingual. Now with a shortage, you now start to see, "will consider a highly qualified instructor who does not speak French"
The Quebec Charter companies have been constantly lowering ltheir requirements to the point that they are hiring with bare IFR CPL as long as they are Francophones or at least, bi-lingual in French and English.
Now lets see if anyone posts who is a uni-lingual Anglophone FO on a 737 at Norlinor. I don't expect any replies.
Ramjet
Nolinor as hired and will continue to hire Anglophones but yes they prefer bi lingual pilots that are fluent in both French and English.
Again knowing the gentleman that left Nolinor for a corporate gig in CYWG, I can assure you that he knew of several pilots on the B737 (captains and F/Os) that were unilingual Anglophones.
Being a Montreal based company, I understand why they would want pilots that speak French because of their main customers being French speaking.
Anyway that's all I'm going to say about Nolinor.
As for my company, Execaire which manages aircrafts throughout Canada and in Africa, I can assure you that we hire Anglophones and in fact in my group we used to have two unilingual anglos, (one left for a gig in Asia), the other is still with us and we fly for a Montreal based multi national corporation who's principals are mainly Francophones.
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Thanks for answering the question
Norlinor DO HIRE UNILINGUAL ANGLOPHONES
AS CAPTAINS AND FO's
and clarifying, as I thought, that they do "prefer bi-lingual pilots that are fluent in both French and English"
Note: My comments were directed at Quebec practices generally and not of Norlinor or any specific company of the many who will not hire an Anglophone.
The question has been answered and I hope that is the end of it.
Thanks for answering the question
Norlinor DO HIRE UNILINGUAL ANGLOPHONES
AS CAPTAINS AND FO's
and clarifying, as I thought, that they do "prefer bi-lingual pilots that are fluent in both French and English"
Note: My comments were directed at Quebec practices generally and not of Norlinor or any specific company of the many who will not hire an Anglophone.
The question has been answered and I hope that is the end of it.
JetJockey A4
Thanks for answering the question
Norlinor DO HIRE UNILINGUAL ANGLOPHONES
AS CAPTAINS AND FO's
and clarifying, as I thought, that they do "prefer bi-lingual pilots that are fluent in both French and English"
Note: My comments were directed at Quebec practices generally and not of Norlinor or any specific company of the many who will not hire an Anglophone.
The question has been answered and I hope that is the end of it.
Thanks for answering the question
Norlinor DO HIRE UNILINGUAL ANGLOPHONES
AS CAPTAINS AND FO's
and clarifying, as I thought, that they do "prefer bi-lingual pilots that are fluent in both French and English"
Note: My comments were directed at Quebec practices generally and not of Norlinor or any specific company of the many who will not hire an Anglophone.
The question has been answered and I hope that is the end of it.
Moderator
Hey posters, have we had enough discussion about the Anglophone, and Francophone cultures in Canada now? How about we respect both of these Canadian cultures, and move on....
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Nolinar Training a first for Quebec
So no one answered the question but here is something interesting.
Only in French btw.
Go to their website and add this to the end. I just joined pprune and cannot post links
nolinordotcom/devenirpilote/
I never made a career with with CPL ME IR earned in 1996. I speak from experience, having an Italian family name trying to get that first job was impossible in Quebec. I had one interview with a chief pilot with his feet on his desk looking at my resume and saying "My family name" follwed by " C'est quoi ça?" The disrespectful illiterate meant to ask me what cultural backgroung does my name originate from, which would have been an appropriate question to break the ice and get to know me!
When I graduated from C.E.S.P.A (for those old enough to rememeber this college, the Educational Director looked at my resumé and the companies in Quebec I was targeting for an interview. He crossed a whole bunch on my list telling me that with my italian family name those good ol boys would never even give me an interview let alone a job. This was after spending at the time 40k$ on my training! (I had. Paid for my ppl in 1989). I was born and raised in the Montreal Area fully fluent in three languages.
I hope times have changed. I use my aviation document as a paper weight.
Only in French btw.
Go to their website and add this to the end. I just joined pprune and cannot post links
nolinordotcom/devenirpilote/
I never made a career with with CPL ME IR earned in 1996. I speak from experience, having an Italian family name trying to get that first job was impossible in Quebec. I had one interview with a chief pilot with his feet on his desk looking at my resume and saying "My family name" follwed by " C'est quoi ça?" The disrespectful illiterate meant to ask me what cultural backgroung does my name originate from, which would have been an appropriate question to break the ice and get to know me!
When I graduated from C.E.S.P.A (for those old enough to rememeber this college, the Educational Director looked at my resumé and the companies in Quebec I was targeting for an interview. He crossed a whole bunch on my list telling me that with my italian family name those good ol boys would never even give me an interview let alone a job. This was after spending at the time 40k$ on my training! (I had. Paid for my ppl in 1989). I was born and raised in the Montreal Area fully fluent in three languages.
I hope times have changed. I use my aviation document as a paper weight.
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Bingo on the discriminatory slant. I too am a Quebecer, born in Canada, fluently bilingual having gone to English and French schools, no accent in either, and have a funny sounding name. Sounds Italian but it is of another ethnic group.
I am out of the business now but, there were times that my heritage seemed to be a problem at some places, Nolinor being one of them. (Experience no problem, looking for work after a bankruptcy, etc...)
In any case, it may not be a big loss, since I understand that the working environment is not the greatest. A company flying 737NG,s that I worked for had pilots and flight attendants leave Nolinor and came to lower pay actually, says alot.
I am out of the business now but, there were times that my heritage seemed to be a problem at some places, Nolinor being one of them. (Experience no problem, looking for work after a bankruptcy, etc...)
In any case, it may not be a big loss, since I understand that the working environment is not the greatest. A company flying 737NG,s that I worked for had pilots and flight attendants leave Nolinor and came to lower pay actually, says alot.
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Can I humbly ask who has a 737 based in Winnipeg.
Next year I intend to move about if my present employer does not open a base in Norway.
On beforehand Thanks , as we say here.
Regards
Cpt B
Next year I intend to move about if my present employer does not open a base in Norway.
On beforehand Thanks , as we say here.
Regards
Cpt B
