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Old 8th Mar 2018, 14:19
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WestJet says Swoop still headed for June takeoff despite issues with union - Calgary - CBC News


According to CBC the WestJet Pilots union won the complaint against WestJet. Will be interesting to see what WestJet does given this ruling.
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 16:17
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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theg...ticle38247007/

Even more interesting considering that Gregg Saretzky is “retiring” effective immediately.

Dark days ahead for the WJ stock price as this is far too much uncertainty, but maybe clearer skies for the employee group.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 20:36
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Hello everyone .
Can anyone tell me what would be the salary of captain in swoop. Thank you
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 15:30
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Hello everyone .
Can anyone tell me what would be the salary of captain in swoop. Thank you
It's 103 or 105$/hour, minimum guaranteed is 75h/month. That's for the first year, then it goes up every year.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 15:49
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It's 103 or 105$/hour, minimum guaranteed is 75h/month. That's for the first year, then it goes up every year.
Is this for a captain's position on a B737?

If it is, at less than $100K a year it's a total farce!
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 16:49
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$103/hour is accurate. There are only 2 pay increases after that so far, for a total pay scale of 3 steps.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 13:40
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Is that for FO’s ? That’s half of what I make on a 737 now....on the left seat...
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 16:18
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Captain..Swoop...........Sunwing (2017*)....Transat (narrowbody)

Step 1 - $103.57.........$103.57.............$103.57
Step 2 - $119.50.........$119.50.............$119.50
Step 3 - $131.46.........$131.46.............$131.46
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 16:24
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Originally Posted by Jumbo744 View Post
Captain..Swoop...........Sunwing (2017*)....Transat (narrowbody)

Step 1 - $103.57.........$103.57.............$103.57
Step 2 - $119.50.........$119.50.............$119.50
Step 3 - $131.46.........$131.46.............$131.46
Are you saying that an Air Transat B737 captain makes the same money as the captain at Swoop?
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 20:59
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I've been out of the business for over two years now, but from what I hear and perhaps stating the obvious, there appears to be an important shortage of airplane drivers in canada, let alone moderately experienced ones.

So, how is Swoop going to crew both the left seat and the right seat?
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Jet Jockey A4 View Post
Are you saying that an Air Transat B737 captain makes the same money as the captain at Swoop?
Yes. That's what he is saying.

ALPA set the 737NG bar low when they negotiated the Air TransAT contract. Swoop met that bar.

Thanks ALPA!
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 03:02
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Originally Posted by jonny dangerous View Post
Yes. That's what he is saying.

ALPA set the 737NG bar low when they negotiated the Air TransAT contract. Swoop met that bar.

Thanks ALPA!
Find that very odd that AT pilots accepted this and Iíll check with some pilots I know that fly there.

In any case they are dumping the 737 and going with all new Airbus Neos.
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 05:36
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I can't believe those salaries. That's what 737 pilots got thirty years ago in Canada. The rest of the world is paying around $300 plus all the extras. The pilot shortage canít come soon enough or bite hard enough.
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 18:18
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I left the industry back in 2002. As much as I love flying, I don't regret walking away. There's no way I could raise a family on a pilot's salary.
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Old 23rd Apr 2018, 03:05
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A little off topic, but at the end of the day, my observations will come full circle to the swoop phenomena.

The previous poster indicated that he left the business because pilot salaries were low. I agree that pilot salaries should be better, there is a skill set that needs to be properly compensated.

Having said that...........

Unless you are a doctor, lawyer, top level computer programmer, university professor, a specialist engineer in any field, not just the run of the mill engineer, successful artist, not the run of the mill kind, you will not attain the income levels that everybody in the aviation business thinks are a commonplace situation.

I'll say it again, pilots deserve a higher income level, but you will be negatively surprised at the other income levels out there in society. Been there, out of work looking for anything, and salaries are depressingly low. Even for high skilled jobs.

This is just a reality check, everyone thinks that the grass is greener on the other side. It Isn't.

Back to things like swoop.......the hiring people don't make a whole lot of money, contrary to popular belief, so....they naturally and unfortunately are not sympathetic to paying the big bucks to what they perceive as skilled ''bus drivers''.

The big guys rake in the money, rank and file employees do not. Even if you are a pilot.

Bottom line...........pilot salaries are marginally just OK, and they should be better, but everyone around you in society makes not even a quarter of the typical pilot salary. It's a tough battle, life is not so nice out on the street.
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Old 23rd Apr 2018, 03:22
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You might need to get out more. Where I work a 737 captain makes 300- 360K. F/O pay is around 2/3 of that. Six weeks paid leave.

In the US their legacy pay is even higher with a lower cost of living. And I read that Canadians may soon be able to get a visa to at least work at a regional.

There is a developing shortage of pilots in the world. I would never advocate becoming an expat, but it can be an effective way to claw your way back to what we used to call the upper middle class.
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
You might need to get out more. Where I work a 737 captain makes 300- 360K. F/O pay is around 2/3 of that. Six weeks paid leave.

In the US their legacy pay is even higher with a lower cost of living. And I read that Canadians may soon be able to get a visa to at least work at a regional.

There is a developing shortage of pilots in the world. I would never advocate becoming an expat, but it can be an effective way to claw your way back to what we used to call the upper middle class.
No airline in Canada or the USA pays a 737 captain $300-360K a year.

IIRC, unless the pay scale at Air Canada changed, the most senior captains on the B777 make less than $300K base salary and Airbus 320 type captains make around $200K.
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Old 23rd Apr 2018, 23:36
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I don't reside in North America, hence my mention of becoming an expat.

I was told (but did not verify) that a SW captain (friend of a friend) made $406 last year.

Wrt to 360 K...

To balance: pretty expensive country, crap staff travel compared to the North American standard.

We have F/Os on A380 making north of $300...hell, a high time S/O did $280.

Company made record profits last year, btw.

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Old 24th Apr 2018, 00:11
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
I don't reside in North America, hence my mention of becoming an expat.

I was told (but did not verify) that a SW captain (friend of a friend) made $406 last year.

Wrt to 360 K...

4th year 737 captain pay $304/hr plus 10% retirement contribution plus $34/day incidentals plus $168/day meals plus six weeks vacation*, 18 sick days and full pay for trainng.

*on joining. 7.4 weeks after ten years service.

You can fly 900 hours in 10.5 months, get vacation pay etc and top $348 plus $20 k allowances plus $21k pension. I just spoke with a well known overtime hound who managed to top 400 last year, but he was the extreme outlier.

To balance: pretty expensive country, crap staff travel compared to the North American standard.

We have F/Os on A380 making north of $300...hell, a high time S/O did $280.

Company made record profits last year, btw.
No disrespect but none of the pay scales I have seen for Southwest Airlines suggest anything close to what you are suggesting. Of course I may be wrong or my info out of date.

In fact both Delta's and United's 12 year pay scale for captains on the B737 pay better than Southwest by $12K to $14K a year.

In the case of United on his 12th year a captain will make about $219K and at Delta about $217K that is for their base salary, no overtime included and certainly no per diem which shouldn't be counted for a salary.

If you want to compare apples with apples then only the base salary counts all other benefits are "extras".

BTW, the figure I get for Southwest is $214.45/hour for a 12 year captain.

The captain flying the Airbus 350 at United on the 12th year scale make just under $285K.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 01:36
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I'll say it again, I support good pay.

I guess that I am of the old group where half of my flying days were pre 9/11 and half were post 9/11. Pre 9/11 salaries were ever so slowly going up from an already not so good level, but attained nowhere near the type of incomes that are being advertised. Not even in the expat market; I was an expat for a short time and, why would Australians, Brits, Swiss, French, and so on, let alone Canadians, go expat if salaries were so high at home? Then 9/11 happened and you guessed it, everything took a nosedive, expat market included. And that was IF you could find a job. My particular canadian heavy jet operator closed up, making headline news, stuck around home for family related reasons, but was well aware of pay levels at the big name expat airlines that everyone tended to flock to. Good pay, sort of, but nowhere near fantastic. One well known Asian operator who had the reputation of paying the big bucks were now paying pretty average to low bucks. You know who I am referring to.

However, there are admittedly some choice jobs out there; I'm thinking about my good friend who works for American that does in fact make 300K as a 737 Captain, bear in mind though that it is after numerous decades and at the top of the pay scale, plus the pay raises are a recent event. Did not happen overnight.

If you make 300K anywhere in Canada, you are of a very select group, very very few people make that. Outside of aviation cockpits, even fewer come near to those types of incomes.

Nice to see that things are on a huge upswing though, wish I was born later LOL!
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