Canada Air Charter?
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Canada Air Charter?
Anybody have info about this new start up companybased in YMX? Seems like they have the Formula one contract to fly the Minardi team for a few months using 74's!!
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More info on www.theairlinewebsite.com/bbs/index.asp? a forum run down the posts for a few on it.
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Canada Air Charter
Canada Air Charter are planning to damp-lease 3 747-200s from European Aviation Air Charter based at Bournemouth (EGHH) in the UK. EAAC is owned by Paul Stoddart who owns the Minardi F1 team, hence a 747 is used to ferry the Minardi team to the non-European F1 races. The current plan for CAC revolves around the following:
3 EAAC 747s to be based in YMX. Flight deck and IFD from EAAC, probably on 3-week rotations. Remaining crew Canadian. 100 Canadian crew have already been hired and training is taking place at the moment. More EAAC crew are likely to be involved in the early stages for training.
The first 747 is due to fly out to YMX on Fri 14 Jun.
3 routes are planned for the 747 at present:
Montreal - Lisbon - Madrid - Montreal
Montreal - Rome - Tunis - Rome - Montreal
Newark - Montreal - Dakar - Abidjan and reverse
3 EAAC 747s to be based in YMX. Flight deck and IFD from EAAC, probably on 3-week rotations. Remaining crew Canadian. 100 Canadian crew have already been hired and training is taking place at the moment. More EAAC crew are likely to be involved in the early stages for training.
The first 747 is due to fly out to YMX on Fri 14 Jun.
3 routes are planned for the 747 at present:
Montreal - Lisbon - Madrid - Montreal
Montreal - Rome - Tunis - Rome - Montreal
Newark - Montreal - Dakar - Abidjan and reverse
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How interesting that a European company will come fly in Canada while hundreds of highly skilled, experienced Canadian pilots sit on the sidelines and watch. We can't get flying jobs in Europe because they all require JAR licences or need the right of abode in Europe but yet the Europeans can do as they will here !?!?
Canada is like the Tesco, everybody is welcome........
Canada is like the Tesco, everybody is welcome........
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It's a bit late for Canadians to be upset about that kind of stuff...
I used to see ex-pats (yes, including Canadians) come to the Caribbean all the time and take good flying jobs while fully qualified locals sat around unemployed... they are still flocking down there on contracts (just like the CAC), and there are still Canadians down there on rotation (again, just like the CAC).
I was one of the pilots laid off (read fired for no good reason) when Bob Dale (of Air Dale, Sioux Ste. Marie) came to Barbados and bought into TropicAir (Shrike Commanders, Islanders, DC-3s). He fired ALL of the hard-working local pilots and shipped in Canadians for ALL aircraft types.
Where's the justification? Where we locals were paid a very low local salary without housing or travel (doesn't that sound economical?), the Canadians received the (much higher) standard Canadian salary plus overseas allowances, and were provided with accommodations and vehicles. They also had their travel to and from Canada paid for.
While I sympathise with your complaint, perhaps it's appropriate Canadians be dosed a bit of the medicine others have been force-fed all these years.
The irony is that now I am in my adopted so-called "First World" country, the same thing is happening to keep me unemployed here. So if you think life is hard and unfair, I suggest you take a moment to think that there are always others less fortunate than yourself.
I can't see either Immigration or Transport doing diddly squat to make any difference... the aircraft will not be registered in Canada, and neither the crews nor the aircraft will spend enough time in Canada to make the slightest difference in terms of residence. Somebody has worked the system (AGAIN) and will bypass all the "controls" (AGAIN).
So, welcome to Canada's REAL status - Third World (or, at the absolute highest ranking, Second World), which is determined by the federal and provincial government's behaviour (both political and civil).
I won't even start a rant about health care, taxation, unemployment or governmental/civil service performance - you should have experienced (or heard about) most of that incompetence, double-dipping and corruption already. Coming from the Third World I saw it the day I set foot on this soil, and I still see it every day.
'Nuff said.
"So go back home", I hear you say... no, I don't think so. However bad it gets here, it's still better than back "home". At least here there is a system to be worked!!!
I used to see ex-pats (yes, including Canadians) come to the Caribbean all the time and take good flying jobs while fully qualified locals sat around unemployed... they are still flocking down there on contracts (just like the CAC), and there are still Canadians down there on rotation (again, just like the CAC).
I was one of the pilots laid off (read fired for no good reason) when Bob Dale (of Air Dale, Sioux Ste. Marie) came to Barbados and bought into TropicAir (Shrike Commanders, Islanders, DC-3s). He fired ALL of the hard-working local pilots and shipped in Canadians for ALL aircraft types.
Where's the justification? Where we locals were paid a very low local salary without housing or travel (doesn't that sound economical?), the Canadians received the (much higher) standard Canadian salary plus overseas allowances, and were provided with accommodations and vehicles. They also had their travel to and from Canada paid for.
While I sympathise with your complaint, perhaps it's appropriate Canadians be dosed a bit of the medicine others have been force-fed all these years.
The irony is that now I am in my adopted so-called "First World" country, the same thing is happening to keep me unemployed here. So if you think life is hard and unfair, I suggest you take a moment to think that there are always others less fortunate than yourself.
I can't see either Immigration or Transport doing diddly squat to make any difference... the aircraft will not be registered in Canada, and neither the crews nor the aircraft will spend enough time in Canada to make the slightest difference in terms of residence. Somebody has worked the system (AGAIN) and will bypass all the "controls" (AGAIN).
So, welcome to Canada's REAL status - Third World (or, at the absolute highest ranking, Second World), which is determined by the federal and provincial government's behaviour (both political and civil).
I won't even start a rant about health care, taxation, unemployment or governmental/civil service performance - you should have experienced (or heard about) most of that incompetence, double-dipping and corruption already. Coming from the Third World I saw it the day I set foot on this soil, and I still see it every day.
'Nuff said.
"So go back home", I hear you say... no, I don't think so. However bad it gets here, it's still better than back "home". At least here there is a system to be worked!!!
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Damp Lease
Dry lease is lease of the a/c without crew. Wet lease is with crew. 'Damp' lease is a hybrid - tech crew and In-Flight Director will come with the a/c, remainder of cabin crew will be Canadian.
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Decision No. 334-A-2002
June 19, 2002
APPLICATION by European Aviation Air Charter Limited carrying on business as European Air Charter for 1 authority and a program permit to operate a fifth freedom advance booking charter round-trip flight between Montréal (Mirabel), Quebec, Canada, and Port-au-Prince, Haiti, on June 10, 2002, using a 440 seat B747 aircraft, on behalf of Canada Air Charter; and 2) exemptions from the application of paragraph 50 1 b, section 52 and subsection 110 1 of the Air Transportation Regulations, SOR/88-58, as amended.
File No. M5000/E193
CONCLUSION
Based on the above findings, the Agency, consistent with paragraph 22 b of the ATR, hereby denies European's application for authority to operate the proposed fifth freedom charter flight between Montréal (Mirabel), Quebec, Canada, and Port-au-Prince, Haiti, on June 10, 2002.
As the application for authority to operate the proposed flight is denied, it is not necessary for the Agency to address the application for the exemptions from the application of paragraph 50(1)a, section 52 and subsection 110(1) of the ATR.
This Decision takes effect on June 7, 2002, the date on which its content was communicated to the parties of record.
Complete Decision
http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/rulings-dec...-A-2002_e.html
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Decision No. 334-A-2002
June 19, 2002
APPLICATION by European Aviation Air Charter Limited carrying on business as European Air Charter for 1 authority and a program permit to operate a fifth freedom advance booking charter round-trip flight between Montréal (Mirabel), Quebec, Canada, and Port-au-Prince, Haiti, on June 10, 2002, using a 440 seat B747 aircraft, on behalf of Canada Air Charter; and 2) exemptions from the application of paragraph 50 1 b, section 52 and subsection 110 1 of the Air Transportation Regulations, SOR/88-58, as amended.
File No. M5000/E193
CONCLUSION
Based on the above findings, the Agency, consistent with paragraph 22 b of the ATR, hereby denies European's application for authority to operate the proposed fifth freedom charter flight between Montréal (Mirabel), Quebec, Canada, and Port-au-Prince, Haiti, on June 10, 2002.
As the application for authority to operate the proposed flight is denied, it is not necessary for the Agency to address the application for the exemptions from the application of paragraph 50(1)a, section 52 and subsection 110(1) of the ATR.
This Decision takes effect on June 7, 2002, the date on which its content was communicated to the parties of record.
Complete Decision
http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/rulings-dec...-A-2002_e.html
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what a load of crap about canadian pilots not getting jobs in Europe. I am sick of seeing Canadian reg aircaft and pilots operating routes on behalf of UK holiday firms from the UK to all the major holiday destinations. We in the UK also have plenty of pilots and A/C in need of this work. If Canada is like Tesco in letting anyone in, then the UK is more like the worlds YMCA!! The worlds bums can come here and be very well looked after!
political correctness gone mad!
what a load of crap about canadian pilots not getting jobs in Europe. I am sick of seeing Canadian reg aircaft and pilots operating routes on behalf of UK holiday firms from the UK to all the major holiday destinations. We in the UK also have plenty of pilots and A/C in need of this work. If Canada is like Tesco in letting anyone in, then the UK is more like the worlds YMCA!! The worlds bums can come here and be very well looked after!
political correctness gone mad!
